Mikeyboy1903 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 i hate that why do you feel you cant say his name on here? since fergie, he has been our best manager and provided us with some terrific memories (albeit some horrible ones too, but he's still been our best manager). his chirpy enthusiasm and dynamic team infected the city and created a "buzz" as you say only now is it dawning on a lot of people how ridiculous it was to force that man out the door he got us good results and he loved the club and city...what the hell was the problem? That's why everytime he's on Radio \ TV he always makes a bad comment about us then is it ? Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 i hate that why do you feel you cant say his name on here? since fergie, he has been our best manager and provided us with some terrific memories (albeit some horrible ones too, but he's still been our best manager). his chirpy enthusiasm and dynamic team infected the city and created a "buzz" as you say only now is it dawning on a lot of people how ridiculous it was to force that man out the door he got us good results and he loved the club and city...what the hell was the problem? one thing I'll give him is that he did better than we currently are right now, we had some good memories but got spanked in the cups and very little has changed is anything, we still get humiliated in the cups but we are even worse in the league. Link to comment
Dandydon D Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 i hate that why do you feel you cant say his name on here? since fergie, he has been our best manager and provided us with some terrific memories (albeit some horrible ones too, but he's still been our best manager). his chirpy enthusiasm and dynamic team infected the city and created a "buzz" as you say only now is it dawning on a lot of people how ridiculous it was to force that man out the door he got us good results and he loved the club and city...what the hell was the problem? I know, but i know how some react on here when you mention him. At the time i thought it was the right move to change but looking back now it seems it wasnt so. Absolute disgrace the way he was treated towards the end. Some things will never change though. Link to comment
Dandydon D Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 That's why everytime he's on Radio \ TV he always makes a bad comment about us then is it ? Last time i heard him on the radio he had nothing but good things to say about AFC and the city Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 absolute tosh. he did better than we currently are? thats understatement of the century. we were always battling at the top of the league and never ever in his 5 years were we remotely as bad as this. hes been our best manager since fergie, so he should have been given another 5 years (in hindsight surely you agree) to see how much further he could take us i just find it strange how the name "Jimmy Calderwood" is treated like a dirty word on here!!! I still believe it was time to move on for him and he was taking us downward with the signings he'd made, we will never know whether he would have kept us up challenging for Euro slots or not but his cup record was abysmal and he went, its over now and we deal with the hear and now. Link to comment
Stoney Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Best manager since fergie lol lol lol Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 i completely get the "stick in the hear and now thing", but in hindsight, would you not rather have kept him on during the time we've had mcghee and brown? based at least solely on the fact we were always fighting for 3rd/4th with him? we can safely assume he would have since we did every season he was here he wasn't? please tell me who has been better he was far better than McGhee, I don't think that can be disputed, he did have a better budget than MCghee but MCGhee did so bad its hard to describe. He made some of the worst decision possible with the budget available. Brown - the jury is still out, he cannot take the blame for this shambles right now, he inherited a side who genuinely do not give a f**k about where the club ends up and he took us away from relegation, job done for the season, we also have the semi final to "look forward" to and there is the smallest hope that we make a final and salvage a god awful season. Brown will be judged next year, he brought in balance to the side and a competent midfielder in Milsom. Blakcman hasn't performed like he did at Well but not every signing will be brilliant. LKets see what Brown does next year once we get rid of Maguire, Diamond and Langfiled Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 so what was he doing there, showing ambition and self-confidence? theyre not bad things to have in a manager, ask J Mourinho. i think we can safely say we were wrong to get rid of Calderwood, he should have been given another year or two, minimum and if you take into account the state of us the now then i cant see how you can argue no we cannot safely say that as we do not know how he would have done the following year after some poor signings and a very poor run of form. now of us can safely say that it was wrong to get rid of him.. leave it there, its been to bloody death on here. Link to comment
Stoney Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 i completely get the "stick in the hear and now thing", but in hindsight, would you not rather have kept him on during the time we've had mcghee and brown? based at least solely on the fact we were always fighting for 3rd/4th with him? we can safely assume he would have since we did every season he was here he wasn't? please tell me who has been better Cant believe im even bothering with this. Alex Smith for a start - Scottish Cup / League Cup and runners up in the league. Willie Miller - Two cup finals and finished 2nd in the league twice. Roy Aitken - Won the league cupCould even be argued that uncle ebbe was on a par if not better with similar league finishes better european record and better cup record. Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 im NOT bothering with that, full-stop. to be fair a manager is judged on where he finished in the league and what he won, Calderwood managed 3rd once and no trophies or even a final. the ones listed had better finishes, either won a cup or got to a final so depending on how you look at it MT they were better, I think from winning games percentage that Calderwood is up there but in the end he didn't win much but did give us some decent Euro trips. Link to comment
Stoney Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Go on, humour me! I need to updated my "in the last 5 years" thread anyways. To be fair - most of them are actually your quotes anyways. Link to comment
barassie_afc Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 So Alex Smith wasnt a more successful manager than Calderwood MT, that the thrust of your arguement ? Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 So Alex Smith wasnt a more successful manager than Calderwood MT, that the thrust of your arguement ? MT thinks the measure of success is Euroe nights or money, not silverware Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 ive argued it already, so im not going to bore everyone and go over old ground James left us, having brought in more money than he spent, having given us an unbeaten record at home against rangers which spanned a few seasons, having beat the old firm on several occasions, having us as a respectable SPL outfit who were always challenging for honours, whether than be euro qualification or participating in cup 1/4 finals/1/2 finals, as well of course, as THAT euro run. god, compare that to now erm ok Alex Smith won the cup double and came within a whisker of winning the league on the last day of the season. I find it sad that you think the above is successful MT. Link to comment
barassie_afc Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 What was wages to turnover ration during that time ? We made losses every year bar one. If you think that the above constitutes success v a man that got us to 3 cup finals, won 2 , second in the league 3 years in a row, and was 90 mins away from winning a league title which would hae changed the face of scottish football. Not to mention ,probably the best attacking/counter attacking team we have ever produced. The football under Jimmy was torture Link to comment
Holyjoe Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Smith was 'forced out' because he was out of his depth when in sole charge of the club - don't forget that Jocky Scott was co-manager (not assistant manager, that was the mighty Combover) when we won the cup double. Link to comment
Stoney Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Im willing to bet a damn site better the utter f**king dross calderwood left mcghee with. You have to be the biggest spastic i have ever had the misfortune of meeting. Link to comment
barassie_afc Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 erm, lets put it into perspective here what players did he inherit compared to the ones sir james did? anyway, its a moot point, as you lor forced THAT guy out an all!! just dont learn, eh? you lot ? you not one of us ? Calderwood was substantially bankrolled v Jaikie before him and Mcghee after. I thank him for what he had achieved but he had ran out of ideas, his last 15 games in charge demonstrate that. Mcghee was a fkn disaster end of story Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 yep and he was still forced out seems the dons fans dont learn, eh? unfortunately, for a whole host of fans (ie ones who didnt witness the 80s) that IS success. given another 5 years i wholeheartedly believe he'd have pushed us on again, he certainly had the reputation to believe he would so you agree Smith & Scott were more successful than Jimmy Calderwood? Link to comment
Foster14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 my point actually, if you can follow an intelligent train of thought, is that the team inherited by Smith was a damn site better, relatively, than the one Calderwood inherited as for the one Calderwood left? well, they finished 4th and qualified for Europe? Did Calderwood once in his 5 seasons at the Dons have his budget slashed? Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 calderwood was given money and at the end of the day, he gave us some brilliant memories with it, as well as recouping more than the outlay he was given anyway so, out of 5 seasons, ur judging his ability to manage us in the league, on 15 games? surely to god he deserved more, based on his league performances in the previous 4 seasons, than just the last 15 games? no, i dont. i believe they were operating at an easier time, due mainly to the great quality of player they inherited MT seriously you need get a grip on reality. Aberdeen were up against the beginning of the huns 9 in a row team and still took them to the wire and won 2 cups. Calderwood's team bottled it for 2nd against the huns and got nowhere near a cup final, in fact his side were embarrassed in 2 cup semi finals. Link to comment
barassie_afc Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 erm, his team lost 4-3, in a freak game to a lower league team...id say thats as close to the final as you can get? anyway, many cup finals we been to since he's left then? what about queens park ? and the capitulation v Dundee United twice and dunfermline ? Link to comment
Foster14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 i couldnt tell you, but bearing in mind he brought in a lot of money through league placings, revenue for getting to 1/4 and 1/2 finals, transfer deals and THAT euro run, it would have been an absolute disgrace if he did Well there are two relevant points here. We only recorded a profit in one of the years he was here IIRC, so on that basis, it could be argued that it would not have been so much of a disgrace. Secondly, and the point I was referring to anyway, was that if he had never had to deal with a position where his budget was slashed once in his time at Aberdeen, how can we even begin to speculate how he would have done with that happening as it was well documented in the 2008/9 summer? I guess we could base it on the fact that he got to increase his budget in the last season and ultimately had us playing dire football lacking ideas and scraping in to 4th which was regarded as achievement... Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 erm, his team lost 4-3, in a freak game to a lower league team...id say thats as close to the final as you can get? anyway, many cup finals we been to since he's left then? we were papped out by a lower league team MT that to me is embarrassed and what of the other semi which you didn't comment on. we have been to zero finals since he left but he didn't make it to any finals so whats your point? Link to comment
Foster14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 we were papped out by a lower league team MT that to me is embarrassed and what of the other semi which you didn't comment on. we have been to zero finals since he left but he didn't make it to any finals so whats your point? McGhee got us to a 1 in 3 cup semi-finals. If that was an achievement to celebrate, McGhee beats Jimmy's 1 in 5... Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 what about them? i was answering the claim that we were "nowhere near" a cup final...erm, yes we were. VERY near god i know, i was embarassed and raging, but i feel in that one in particular, certain players let us down. you cant say you didnt think mcnamara was going to be a good signing for us, surely? my point is that he was sacked because he was apparently the cause for us not getting to any finals...well, many have we been to since he's left? none, so thats not improved while our league form has absolutely nose-dived too...yeah, great move replacing him overall, the money spent by jimmy is dwarfed by the money he brought in - fact. as for playing dire football, we finished 4th and that was with a squad of players who everyone on here has labelled as "sh*te"...must be one hell of a manager then to get them capable of finishing 4th now you are getting it, the mistake was the replacement and the slashing of the budget, not the getting rid of him, you cannot say for 100% certain that JC would have managed to pick things up after such a bad run just as I can't say he would have done badly Link to comment
Foster14 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 overall, the money spent by jimmy is dwarfed by the money he brought in - fact. as for playing dire football, we finished 4th and that was with a squad of players who everyone on here has labelled as "sh*te"...must be one hell of a manager then to get them capable of finishing 4th What money did he bring in? Not any from players that were not already in the team when he got here, was there? Or are we talking the club as a whole? As we made losses all but one year he was here, and even then it was the slightest profit. Link to comment
barassie_afc Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 i can say more certainly he could, than you saying he couldnt remember the mess he inherited?? i mean sales of player such as Anderson, Clark and Hart mixed in with the unprecedented bonus of the euro money, as well, of course, as the extra what, Link to comment
barassie_afc Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 erm, why? what difference does that make?! Quite a big difference to be honest , every player he signed never made any profit. He benefited from having those players there Link to comment
barassie_afc Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 look, answer me this... since he's left... have we got to any finals? we didnt when he was here have we finished anywhere near 3rd/4th in the league? agree have our attendances improved? they were on the decline with Jimmy to be fair has our financial situation improved? Has gotten worse since Jimmy's arrival is the football any better? Under Brown yes , at times since ill be getting 5 big fat "no's", i think we can all agree we didnt know how lucky we were if most of those 5 questions were "yes", then fair enough, it would make sense replacing him Link to comment
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