Pesky Tories.

[craegDAMH]

Jacob Rees-Mogg is so appalled by abortion that the investment company he founded invested £5m in Indonesian company which provides abortion pills.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/antiabortion-mp-jacob-reesmogg-admits-making-money-from-abortion-pills-a3647806.html

 

While he doesn't manage the fund, he makes substantial 'management fees' through his personal company.

[manboobs109]

^ bit of a dodgy one that. The tablets aren't made for abortions. It's like saying someone is profiting from suicide if they invest in a a company that makes paracetamol

[craegDAMH]

^ bit of a dodgy one that. The tablets aren't made for abortions. It's like saying someone is profiting from suicide if they invest in a a company that makes paracetamol

 

It treats stomach ulcers, induces labour and is used for medical abortions. It's used for abortions in countries like Indonesia where abortion is illegal.

 

That is why it is such a good investment, because it provides abortions in a country where you can't get abortions. (The same drug sells for $100 per dose in Brazil)

 

You'd think a man with such firmly held convictions wouldn't abide by his investment firm making money from abortions, no?

[Clydeside_Sheep]

craegDAMH,

 

Here are a list of countries who either signed treaties with Nazi Germany, or upheld existing ones. The list is short and not exhaustive:

 

Uk, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Romania, USSR, Turkey.

 

Do you consider that these countries therefore "legitimised" the Nazi regime, in the same way you claim the Church did? (Even the ones which, like the Church, later suffered from Nazi aggression?)

 

If no, why do you consider that only the Church's agreement did so?

 

If yes, why do you consider that only the Church's agreement is worthy of special criticism?

 

Nazi Germany maintained Germany's signature on the Geneva convention (originally signed 1929). Do you consider that the other Geneva Convention signatories therefore legitimised Nazi Germany?

[Clydeside_Sheep]

So it was wrong for the rebels to steal the death star plans?

 

Get to fuck min. Think how many planets would have been destroyed by that thing.

+1 good answer

 

But the rebels were involved in what would qualify as a "just war", therefore normal rules do not apply.

 

You need to set a context for our debates and stick to it - that will deny you the wriggle room you live off

[Clydeside_Sheep]

^ bit of a dodgy one that. The tablets aren't made for abortions. It's like saying someone is profiting from suicide if they invest in a a company that makes paracetamol

Bingo!

 

And of course it was a "dodgy one", it was Craeg who was saying it!

 

Btw did you know that car manufacturers profit from the deaths of pedestrians? They sicken me.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

You'd think a man with such firmly held convictions wouldn't abide by his investment firm making money from abortions, no?

They aren't making money from abortions, any more than a manufacturer of kitchen knives is profiting from stabbings.

 

The drugs are made with the specific intent to treat stomach ulcers.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

In your mind, has the Catholic Church ever done anything wrong?

Of course - its members have often done things wrong.

 

The Church is an organisation for sinners, it engages them in an effort to transform their lives.

 

This is hardly surprising. You wouldn't find a beginners dance class full of brilliant dancers.

 

You seem to be unwilling to admit so and have a completely blinkered view.

I will fight to the death to defend it where criticism is wrong, as it most certainly is regarding WW2 and the Nazi regime.

 

Equally, I will openly admit when it has failed or done wrong, as I have done for example with the cases of child abuses (mostly pederasty) it failed to deal with properly.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

He blamed Labour for not mentioning food banks when they were in power.

I think that is a worthy criticism.

 

Q - Why did Labour seek to hide the fact that people could get help from food banks?

 

A- Because they want people to struggle, so they become resentful and so vote Labour.

 

Labour live off the false notion that society is cold, greedy and uncaring (especially conservatives).

 

But food banks shows that society is considerate, generous and caring. Hence Labour left people to go hungry in their ignorance. Thats pretty low.

[craegDAMH]

craegDAMH,

 

Here are a list of countries who either signed treaties with Nazi Germany, or upheld existing ones. The list is short and not exhaustive:

 

Uk, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Romania, USSR, Turkey.

 

Do you consider that these countries therefore "legitimised" the Nazi regime, in the same way you claim the Church did? (Even the ones which, like the Church, later suffered from Nazi aggression?)

 

If no, why do you consider that only the Church's agreement did so?

 

If yes, why do you consider that only the Church's agreement is worthy of special criticism?

 

Nazi Germany maintained Germany's signature on the Geneva convention (originally signed 1929). Do you consider that the other Geneva Convention signatories therefore legitimised Nazi Germany?

 

No, they didn't.

 

None of these countries claim to be the definitive, absolute moral authority on earth. The definitive, absolute moral authority on earth is held to a higher standard than a neighbouring country which maintains a treaty with it's neighbour, a major country in Europe, in the hope that they can have a constructive relationship and protect their own interests.

 

The definitive, absolute moral authority on earth shouldn't be supporting fascists to look after itself. I don't think that's what Jesus would do.

[craegDAMH]

Bingo!

 

And of course it was a "dodgy one", it was Craeg who was saying it!

 

Btw did you know that car manufacturers profit from the deaths of pedestrians? They sicken me.

 

Only one of us has repeatedly argued in favour of those who protected paedophiles

[craegDAMH]

They aren't making money from abortions, any more than a manufacturer of kitchen knives is profiting from stabbings.

 

The drugs are made with the specific intent to treat stomach ulcers.

 

Yes, they are. This is the drug and what it is used for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misoprostol

 

Come on, you think you're clever enough, have a think about it. Why is this such a good investment? Why is a company in Indonesia which produces a generic drug which is produced and is available around the world going to give such a great return?

 

Is it because there is such a spike of stomach ulcers in Indonesia? Or is it because being able to provide something which is illegal (an abortion), legally by selling a "Stomach Ulcer" drug is actually a fucking great way to print money.

 

If this is not a drug used for abortions, why doesn't Mogg come out and say that when asked about it? Instead he's said "the world isn't perfect" "I don't have any of my own money invested" "I don't tell the investors what they can invest in" etc. He knows it's used for abortions.

 

I have to say I'm surprised you've decided to abandon your previously strongly held convictions to support your new Tory pal. I'm not at all surprised your Tory pal is a hypocritical cunt.

[craegDAMH]

I think that is a worthy criticism.

 

Q - Why did Labour seek to hide the fact that people could get help from food banks?

 

A- Because they want people to struggle, so they become resentful and so vote Labour.

 

Labour live off the false notion that society is cold, greedy and uncaring (especially conservatives).

 

But food banks shows that society is considerate, generous and caring. Hence Labour left people to go hungry in their ignorance. Thats pretty low.

 

Shite

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-no-evidence-for-jacob-rees-moggs-food-bank-claims

 

Food bank usage is going up because when real terms wages have been falling for 7 years and you cut benefits then people in the 5th richest country in the world can't afford to buy food. How uplifting.

[Old manny]

 

Labour live off the false notion that society is cold, greedy and uncaring (especially conservatives).

 

Nonsense! At least Labour accept the concept that there is such a thing as society as opposed to the Thatcher doctrine that it does not exist :

 

​"And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours."

 

The present government are carrying through the biggest socialist policy ever in the form of Quantitative Easing where under the guise of austerity they are handing out hundreds of billions of tax payers money to Banks, Multinationals and Hedgefunds. Socialist policies for the rich and grinding Capitalism for the poor is the new Tory doublespeak and Foodbanks are a direct result of this sick policy. Capitalism is a failing doctrine, which the financial crash of 2008 clearly revealed, and the quicker this discredited policy of austerity is consigned to the dustbin of history, along with the Tory party, the better.

[The Boofon]

I think that is a worthy criticism.

 

Q - Why did Labour seek to hide the fact that people could get help from food banks?

 

A- Because they want people to struggle, so they become resentful and so vote Labour.

 

Labour live off the false notion that society is cold, greedy and uncaring (especially conservatives).

 

But food banks shows that society is considerate, generous and caring. Hence Labour left people to go hungry in their ignorance. Thats pretty low.

 

Get to fuck.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

+1 good answer

 

But the rebels were involved in what would qualify as a "just war", therefore normal rules do not apply.

 

You need to set a context for our debates and stick to it - that will deny you the wriggle room you live off

Cant seem to edit the above; I think properly explained one would say that it was wrong to steal the plans, but the moral culpability of this was reduced by the conflict.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

The definitive, absolute moral authority on earth is held to a higher standard

You could only credible make that argument that if YOU recognised the Church as the definitive, absolute moral authority on earth.

 

It any case, you need to accept that you are wrong. Your argument has been shifting about from abandoning the jews to legitimising the Nazis, both claims I have shown to be false with evidence.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Yes, they are. This is the drug and what it is used for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misoprostol

 

Come on, you think you're clever enough, have a think about it. Why is this such a good investment? Why is a company in Indonesia which produces a generic drug which is produced and is available around the world going to give such a great return?

 

Is it because there is such a spike of stomach ulcers in Indonesia? Or is it because being able to provide something which is illegal (an abortion), legally by selling a "Stomach Ulcer" drug is actually a fucking great way to print money.

 

If this is not a drug used for abortions, why doesn't Mogg come out and say that when asked about it? Instead he's said "the world isn't perfect" "I don't have any of my own money invested" "I don't tell the investors what they can invest in" etc. He knows it's used for abortions.

 

I have to say I'm surprised you've decided to abandon your previously strongly held convictions to support your new Tory pal. I'm not at all surprised your Tory pal is a hypocritical cunt.

No-one has claimed it "isnt a drug used for abortions"

 

Your original link clearly states it is manufactured as a medicine for stomach ulcers.

 

You have also stated that abortion is illegal in indonesia.

 

You then portray a drug being illegally mis-employed to produce a secondary effect as being "Mogg profits from abortion".

 

Only a complete moron would accept such an argument.

 

Needless to say, I reject it.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Shite

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-no-evidence-for-jacob-rees-moggs-food-bank-claims

 

Food bank usage is going up because when real terms wages have been falling for 7 years and you cut benefits then people in the 5th richest country in the world can't afford to buy food. How uplifting.

Discussing the reasons behind food bank usage is erroneous here.

 

I said the fact that people donate to them shows that people in society care about the needy.

 

I also pointed out that it was typically cynical of labour to hide this source of help from people.

 

Labours only dream for people has been for them to remain in hardship all their lives and keep voting labour.

 

No one was talking about wages etc.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Nonsense! At least Labour accept the concept that there is such a thing as society as opposed to the Thatcher doctrine that it does not exist

That criticism of thatcher was based on taking the quote out of context.

 

Capitalism is a failing doctrine

That may well be true, but its certainly better than the alternative of socialism which was never anything but a failure.

 

You could say that capitalism is the least poor option we have at present.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

 

Get to fuck.

Are you claiming that people who donate to the needy aren't caring?

 

And if not to gain some political advantage, why do you think labour suppressed info about help available from food banks?

[craegDAMH]

You could only credible make that argument that if YOU recognised the Church as the definitive, absolute moral authority on earth.

 

No, that they claim it and that billions of people worldwide believe it is enough to make the argument.

 

 

It any case, you need to accept that you are wrong. Your argument has been shifting about from abandoning the jews to legitimising the Nazis, both claims I have shown to be false with evidence.

 

No, you've provided fuck all evidence that anything I have argued is not correct. You have linked to other stuff to try and deflect the argument.

[craegDAMH]

No-one has claimed it "isnt a drug used for abortions"

 

Your original link clearly states it is manufactured as a medicine for stomach ulcers.

 

You have also stated that abortion is illegal in indonesia.

 

You then portray a drug being illegally mis-employed to produce a secondary effect as being "Mogg profits from abortion".

 

Only a complete moron would accept such an argument.

 

Needless to say, I reject it.

 

It induces labour, prevents stomach ulcers and is used for abortions. All of these things are what this drug is used for. Abortion isn't a secondary effect or side effect, it's a primary use of this drug.

 

These drugs are being used to facilitate abortions in Indonesia. Mogg profits from investments in the producers of these drugs.

 

If Mogg is so morally opposed to abortions then he is hypocritical to profit from this investment, is he not?

[craegDAMH]

I also pointed out that it was typically cynical of labour to hide this source of help from people.

 

 

And if not to gain some political advantage, why do you think labour suppressed info about help available from food banks?

 

Read the link I posted, it shows that Mogg was speaking shite as usual and Labour never suppressed anything.

 

Repeating lies over and over does not make them true.

[Old manny]

 

 

That may well be true, but its certainly better than the alternative of socialism which was never anything but a failure.

 

You could say that capitalism is the least poor option we have at present.

Yes, but you seem to be arguing that a Labour administration by implementing policies like renationalising the railways, utility companies et al, paying a decent wage to those in the public sector, building social housing, chasing down tax dodgers and tightening regulation for the financial institutions is somehow full blown Marxism. On the contrary it is simply making an adjustment to the Capitalist system which is long overdue. Instead of Capitalism being loaded solely in favour of the filthy rich it would be made to work for the benefit of all. Call it enlightened Capitalism if you like. How do we pay for it, by stopping QE right away which costs 300 Billion per annum and closing down the tax loopholes which are impoverishing the country. Corporate greed has brought the country to its knees and if it is not tackled soon it will finish us.

[The Boofon]

1. Are you claiming that people who donate to the needy aren't caring?

 

2. And if not to gain some political advantage, why do you think labour suppressed info about help available from food banks?

1. Of course not.

 

2. I dont believe they did. Given that Jeremy Hunt recently claimed the Tories introduced the NHS in 1944 (it was Labour in 1948) I wouldnt believe anything the Tories say.

[tiktak]

1. Of course not.

 

2. I dont believe they did. Given that Jeremy Hunt recently claimed the Tories introduced the NHS in 1944 (it was Labour in 1948) I wouldnt believe anything the Tories say.

Believing a solitary word spoken by any politician of whichever allegiance shows extraordinary naivety.

[vanderark14]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41660040

 

 

doesn't bother representing Moray because he's previously been to busy being a linesman in Portugal and now in the Nou camp....................not sure whether to slag him off or think........well I know where I'd rather be

[Henry]

Michael Fallon resigns

[Henry]

He was great at the River Dance