Have Brown And Knox Actually Got What It Takes

[Stoneybloke]

I'm beginning to question whether Brown and Knox are really up to the job of getting a team of Aberdeen players to perform reasonably consistently. When they first arrived and got a short-lived revival going I had some optimism, but on recent evidence things have gone drastically backwards yet again.

 

Yet again, the team today apparently possessed little or no will to win, and were harried by a much more willing and energetic St. Johnstone team. No doubt we will hear the same excuses about injuries and the like, but surely with all their skills and experience, they can at least field a team that will show some drive and willingness to fight for the cause.

 

Are they now on the verge of being past it and have run out of ideas and energy. Whatever it is they have a monumental job on their hands to, first of all, actually get a team together that has the potential to deliver, and then to motivate them to achieve something.

 

I would have thought by now that we would have seen something that would have inspired us to hope that better times are ahead, other than our inherent faith as supporters, which is wearing thinner as each abysmal season progresses.

[paddy]

Its a case of wait and see im afraid. But i think we should have confidence in these two gentlemen. Experienced and have loads of contacts. Lets not forget the big clear out of players for next season. He is going to ask some contracted players to leave too. Let him get some of his players in and then judge him. Im sure Brown and Knox also cant wait until the end of this poor season.

 

Also, I dont think age should be a factor. Its perhaps a cliche now, but look at Alex Ferguson. A fantastic manager and similar age to Mr Brown.

[bonzodaddy73]

You cant polish a turd!

These bunch of wanks wouldn't and couldn't perform if Sir Alex was in charge.

The team is safe,and the majority of out of contracts have made up there mind their off.

 

Don't think the management team are to blame...

[Stoneybloke]

Significant proportion of our budget is available to Brown / McGhee* this summer, let him get on with it and judge him then.

* Delete whichever is applicable

 

Can a year really have passed with nothing changing?

[Ke1t]

It's too bad Knox and Broon don't have the power to fire the f**king board aff the roof.

 

Brown has qualified a mediocre side like Scotland into two major international tournaments ... I don't think a shitty little job like manager of AFC is going to be beyond his managerial powers.

 

Anyway, all he has to do next season is avoid relegation and he'll have met the club's ambitions.

[centraldon]

I don't think you can have a pop at the management for the second half of the season. They were brought in to halt an alarming decline towards relegation and they did that. Look at what they inherited. Not just the quality of the squad but also the mentality. They have been able to turn that round a bit; enough to get the job done and keep us safe. Next season is judgement time. They are not our long term management team, so I would expect a significant improvement and quick. If not then I don't see any point in prolonging the agony. But until then I really hope they use the transfer window wisely and give us a team able to compete. I live in more expectation with the current management team than the previous or the previous or the previous....

[Stoneybloke]

I'll ask again, do you think a better manager could've done significantly better with these players?

I have absolutely no idea if they could or not.

 

Is that the only justification you have which makes Brown immune from any criticism?

[Donmacca]

Well for a start, Brown descried today as being totally unacceptable rather than trying to defend himself and his own position.

 

Also, he straight away realised what a full-back was.

 

I'll ask again, do you think a better manager could've done significantly better with these players?

 

No one could of motivated that group of players we had out there today (think it's an insult to call them a team). They weren't interested and didn't care. Bet there out tonight living the high life.

[bonzodaddy73]

Well for a start, Brown descried today as being totally unacceptable rather than trying to defend himself and his own position.

 

Also, he straight away realised what a full-back was.

 

I'll ask again, do you think a better manager could've done significantly better with these players?

No I don't!

 

Do you think Sebastian Vettel could win in a Force India?

[Stoneybloke]

I've long said a competent manager can do a lot with the wages Langfield, Diamond et al are on, and I'm still of the belief that Brown is a competent manager.

I sincerely hope you are right.

[fifered]

Brown and Knox need time to sort these loosers out and they're going to do that by dumping most of them, not before bloody time. To start a thread criticising them when they have to work with a horrendous squad, full of hugely unprofessional players some of who still seem to be in the huff since tangos sacking is harsh in the extreme.

 

Brown will have the squad sorted for next season and thank god it'll be full of new players and very few of the dross that's been around for years.

[Tord31]

They need to be given time so no judging them till they've had at least a year in the job I say. Big job on with the signings this summer certainly needs to sort out the defence and a winger and a striker would be nice too.

[HH_is_back]

Have faith.

[Guest]

Budget constraints, missing injured players... blah blah. Same excuses as all the previous managers. Simple fact is that we should not be getting beat at home to the likes of Saint Johnstone, even allowing for missing players (some of which would make very little difference anyway).

 

Craig has made a conscience decision to play players who will not be here next season... in particular, Young, Diamond, Aluko and Maguire. It speaks volumes that these guys play to the level that they do, given that they ask their agents to find new clubs for them.

 

And what of the 6000 odd punters who come along to watch? Surely they deserve to see a fighting team performance. Will you get that from the aforementioned names, or by blooding the young lads in our team?

 

Bold statement coming up, so brace yourselves...... Nothing will ever improve whilst the current board is in place. End of sad, sad story.

[rossafc92]

As others have highlighted, Craig and Archie were brought here to steer us away from relegation. The state we had been left in was the perfect recipe for heading to Division 1. The team had no full backs, no organisation and no confidence. We really were only heading one way.

 

Immediately the full back issue was addressed and in their first couple of weeks, CB and AK organised the group to bring successive victories away to Hibs and Hamilton. The wins spread confidence, and we were on a bit of a roll to get us away from the threat of going down. However, most of the players had been part of the first half of the season, and when defeat came along it was often hard to get away from it. A series of unfortunate events followed too, the unbelievable amount of injuries, poor refereeing decisions at crucial moments etc etc. There have been mistakes made by the management team along the way of course, but that happens everywhere.

 

Now, with just a couple of games to go, there's not much to do. Most of the players are leaving, and I'm pretty sure Brown will be happy to see some of them go. He's proven with us already that he can bring in a good standard of player. He has more time and money to do the same again in the summer. It is a waiting game, as someone has already said, but it's one that excites me more than the waiting game we were faced with this time last year, which filled me with fear more than anything.

[onlyjim]

all the experts and so called experts think they are the best thing that has happened to the Dons in a long time.

For f**k sake give them a chance.

[Guest]

all the experts and so called experts think they are the best thing that has happened to the Dons in a long time.

For f**k sake give them a chance.

 

For said chance to take place, they need a decent sized pot of cash to buy in some experienced players. You can only piss with the c0ck you have.

[King Street Loon]

Why the topic poster is begining to doubt Brown & Knox I'll never know. I noticed he contributed to a similar thread on Mad.

 

They are working with players who's attitudes stink and clearly don't want to be here. They've been going through the motions after an initial bright start.

Give them a chance to get their own players in next season. They've made a start by letting a good few go, but the time to judge them is next season when they have their own team out on the pitch.

[K-9]

Worryingly the soundbites of late from Brown are getting more and more negative and now the excuses seem to be starting already!!

 

"We need to be much better in terms of our current squad so hopefully that'll happen next season.

 

"We have (targets in mind) but it's much easier said than done. We have budget constraints and also we've got to identify the players that are going to improve our squad."

 

If not identified players yet then we are in trouble since been clear since Xmas that half the squad was leaving!!

[Stoneybloke]

Why the topic poster is begining to doubt Brown & Knox I'll never know.

There are a number of reasons why I have doubts which I thought I had explained in my original post. Primarily my concern is the repeated evidence of a lack of pride and urgency that the team shows. It worries me that Brown and Knox don't seem to be able to inspire, motivate and challenge players to at least have the will to win.

 

I hope that the confidence which says that none of this will happen in a "new" team of their own appointed players will be justified.

[RUL]

The only solution is to sack the entire first team and ifnd someone to re-open the kings bar.

[fifered]

Worryingly the soundbites of late from Brown are getting more and more negative and now the excuses seem to be starting already!!

 

"We need to be much better in terms of our current squad so hopefully that'll happen next season.

 

"We have (targets in mind) but it's much easier said than done. We have budget constraints and also we've got to identify the players that are going to improve our squad."

 

If not identified players yet then we are in trouble since been clear since Xmas that half the squad was leaving!!

don't see much wrong with what he has said. our squad is rot and needs to be better next season and brown has to work in a budget. what else do you want him to say? we criticized calderwood for always talking about targets before we signed them so we can't get on at brown for only saying he has targets in mind but it's easier said than done. just realism but done in a more professional way.

I've more confidence in brown and knox than ive had in any managerial team for 15 years at least. we will be much better next season ive no doubt.

[fifered]

There are a number of reasons why I have doubts which I thought I had explained in my original post. Primarily my concern is the repeated evidence of a lack of pride and urgency that the team shows. It worries me that Brown and Knox don't seem to be able to inspire, motivate and challenge players to at least have the will to win.

 

I hope that the confidence which says that none of this will happen in a "new" team of their own appointed players will be justified.

this is more down to the fact that the squad is largely filled with unprofessional wasters. mourinho could not mould this garbage into a winning team.

[K-9]

don't see much wrong with what he has said. our squad is rot and needs to be better next season and brown has to work in a budget. what else do you want him to say? we criticized calderwood for always talking about targets before we signed them so we can't get on at brown for only saying he has targets in mind but it's easier said than done. just realism but done in a more professional way.

I've more confidence in brown and knox than ive had in any managerial team for 15 years at least. we will be much better next season ive no doubt.

Pretty much same word for word as we have heard last 4 or 5 pre seasons now. Confidence in Brown and Knox? More utter hope form me. Brown doesn't have great record in transfer market and most certainly will never have had to rebuild from scratch before. In fact the only time he had to rebuild from scratch was with Scotland and he didn't make changes which led to his demise there.

[King Street Loon]

There are a number of reasons why I have doubts which I thought I had explained in my original post. Primarily my concern is the repeated evidence of a lack of pride and urgency that the team shows. It worries me that Brown and Knox don't seem to be able to inspire, motivate and challenge players to at least have the will to win.

 

I hope that the confidence which says that none of this will happen in a "new" team of their own appointed players will be justified.

 

 

this is more down to the fact that the squad is largely filled with unprofessional wasters. mourinho could not mould this garbage into a winning team.

 

Fifered beat me too it.

 

These guys aren't interested in playing for this club, let alone Brown & Knox.

McGhee had the same problems. A horrible attitude at our club just now.

[fifered]

Pretty much same word for word as we have heard last 4 or 5 pre seasons now. Confidence in Brown and Knox? More utter hope form me. Brown doesn't have great record in transfer market and most certainly will never have had to rebuild from scratch before. In fact the only time he had to rebuild from scratch was with Scotland and he didn't make changes which led to his demise there.

imagine having to work day in day out with this dross. if it were me I would find it hard to see many positives other than the season is almost over and most of the garbage is going. we really need to be giving him more of a chance than 6 months or so. if he is coming up with excuses this time next year and we're third bottom then fair enough.

[K-9]

Fifered beat me too it.

 

These guys aren't interested in playing for this club, let alone Brown & Knox.

McGhee had the same problems. A horrible attitude at our club just now.

Yet Brown wants/wanted the entire team from the 9-0 Parkhead defeat here next season. Now that is worrying!!

[K-9]

imagine having to work day in day out with this dross. if it were me I would find it hard to see many positives other than the season is almost over and most of the garbage is going. we really need to be giving him more of a chance than 6 months or so. if he is coming up with excuses this time next year and we're third bottom then fair enough.

Imagine wanting to keep the bulk of the first team?

 

Of course he will get the time. But my confidence is low no matter who the manager is, from experience. And this time around the job is far far bigger than ever before in 1 summer.

[King Street Loon]

Yet Brown wants/wanted the entire team from the 9-0 Parkhead defeat here next season. Now that is worrying!!

 

That did puzzle me, but I can only imagine that working with this lot for a prolonged period of time has changed his mind.

Or

I don't think it would have done us any favours for Brown to come out and say with over 2 months of the season left that he reckons most of the playing staff are wasters and there is no future for them here.

[K-9]

That did puzzle me, but I can only imagine that working with this lot for a prolonged period of time has changed his mind.

Or

I don't think it would have done us any favours for Brown to come out and say with over 2 months of the season left that he reckons most of the playing staff are wasters and there is no future for them here.

Agree with that but offering them contracts is going just a wee bit too far!!