The Great Debate

[Guest]

OK, quite a simple thread this one, and very much in keeping with recent events.

 

What is the definition of the word

[Foster14]

In answer to your question, yes.

 

To the bigger point you are alluding to, about taking responsibility and being part of the solution, I think most would be. Biggest problem there though is a common stance on what the solution is though...

[K-9]

AFC regard supporter as someone who turns up and gives them cash and nothing more.

 

Everything about AFC from the very top right down through the club and into fans that go and fans that have stopped going is for me summed up by 1 word - "Apathy"

[Dynamo]

These days anyone who goes by the dictionary definition of being a supporter is dismissed as being a happy clapper.

 

Sad but true.

 

And anyone who asks questions about our current situation is a 'negative b*stard'...or a realist as I call them.

[K-9]

These days anyone who goes by the dictionary definition of being a supporter is dismissed as being a happy clapper.

 

Sad but true.

Disagree - anyone who celebrates mediocrity or even failure is dismissed as a happy clapper. And rightly so!!

[vanderark14]

And anyone who asks questions about our current situation is a 'negative b*stard'...or a realist as I call them.

 

wonder how long till we get two seperate groups of BMG and BIG :laughing: :laughing:

 

on topic, there are quite a lot of negative people on her Dynamo who certainly should not be labelled as realists.

[Dynamo]

wonder how long till we get two seperate groups of BMG and BIG :laughing: :laughing:

 

on topic, there are quite a lot of negative people on her Dynamo who certainly should not be labelled as realists.

 

It'd be boring if we all thought the same anyway.

 

There are a couple ultra negative types, but very much the minority. Most folk see it how it is with a couple of vocal folk being extreme either side.

[Foster14]

Disagree - anyone who celebrates mediocrity or even failure is dismissed as a happy clapper. And rightly so!!

 

Think you missed his point.

 

If you agree with (which we all do) and go along and encourage (as many do) in the hope that they succeed and you do no more, you'd firmly be classed as a happy clapper.

 

I do think the dictionary definition is not quite right for a football supporter though.

[Dynamo]

People are entitled to ask questions, truth be told I think supporter is just a term for football fan and shouldn't be taken too literally.

 

We have a culture around now that's more than worrying, folk see fit to dismiss players as being "sh*te" without having seen them play and people dissecting every word said in the written press and taking it out of context (I've done this myself in the past, admittedly).

 

I've got serious doubts whether we'll see a united AFC support for a long time.

 

Yer reading far too much into it. it's pre season, most folk are at work, there's not much to talk about really...which is why a couple of threads a day get loads of replies.

 

On paper, you can hardly deny most trialists don't look good enough.

 

People seem generally pleased with the signings of Mawene and Osbourne and it's 50:50 on Clark.

 

We've hardly had a big signing to get excited about though. We still need new players, decent ones. I'm not talking about to get into top 6, top 4 should be the target.

[K-9]

Think you missed his point.

 

If you agree with (which we all do) and go along and encourage (as many do) in the hope that they succeed and you do no more, you'd firmly be classed as a happy clapper.

 

I do think the dictionary definition is not quite right for a football supporter though.

Makes no sense whatsoever min!!

[Betty Swallicks]

Makes no sense whatsoever min!!

 

 

 

Ken it was like a riddle.

[StandFree1982]

Folk boo far too quickly these days. 0-0 at half time and people are booing and getting carried away. It seems to be just the way things are going these days. Booing the team half way through a game isn't going to make them raise their performance. We have ALWAYS played better when the fans are right up for it (or at least we used to).

[K-9]

The term "happy clapper" has been used several times during this window,

A quick search under "clapper" in the search function shows 1 discussion between villafortent, ebbe & VDA and hardly anything in it - certainly nothing to back up the above. Couple of folk mention term but nothing else and nobody calling anyone else it. That goes back to start of 2011 when site came back up.

 

After that 2009 for SteveW saying to LS he is turning into happy clapper.

 

the season hasn't started yet and very few have seen any of the signings play, so I've no idea what could be described as medicore or failure.

Kind of makes this redundant but never realised we were talking specifically about now and i was talking about folk thinking top 6 and semi finals is something to celebrate. Happy clapper is quite apt for that i believe.

[Jonty]

Folk boo far too quickly these days. 0-0 at half time and people are booing and getting carried away. It seems to be just the way things are going these days. Booing the team half way through a game isn't going to make them raise their performance. We have ALWAYS played better when the fans are right up for it (or at least we used to).

 

Thats cos the fans are up for it cos we are playing well - tail wagging the dog and all that.

[StandFree1982]

Thats cos the fans are up for it cos we are playing well - tail wagging the dog and all that.

Not always the case. It does on depends on who were are playing as well. Probably the main reason we do well against the Huns is because the fans are up for it right from the start, Pittodrie is a ghost town and its definitely seeping into the players.

[tup]

It must be difficult, from a player's perspective, to play in front of some of you torn-faced c**ts.

 

No doubt you're shaking your fists at your wife for not putting enough sugar in your tea, then apprehending the paperboy for a dressing down for being five minutes late.

 

I understand, you're perfectionists.

[Jazzer_Bett]

These days anyone who goes by the dictionary definition of being a supporter is dismissed as being a happy clapper

 

Thats just a phrase that he we should not mention has employed on here to label anyone who disagrees with his assaults on AFC. That and the old head in the sand trick.

 

Its utter rubbish, and lazily employed as a defence/comeback.

 

I support AFC and I when I have to I make constructive criticism.

[Jonty]

Not always the case. It does on depends on who were are playing as well. Probably the main reason we do well against the Huns is because the fans are up for it right from the start, Pittodrie is a ghost town and its definitely seeping into the players.

 

So why can't we win at Ibrox? And why dont we do as well against Celtic?

 

Our record against the "bigger" SPL sides (United, Hibs, Hearts) has been pretty poor since the Jimmy days so your theory doesn't stand up.

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[Jazzer_Bett]

Actually f**k that, the Pittodrie pies are nowhere near that standard they should be, the caterers should be taken out and shot in the blaise car park.

[StandFree1982]

So why can't we win at Ibrox? And why dont we do as well against Celtic?

 

Our record against the "bigger" SPL sides (United, Hibs, Hearts) has been pretty poor since the Jimmy days so your theory doesn't stand up.

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I'm talking about Pittodrie where we've had 16k+ fans at the games. We used to have a really good record against the OF at Pittodrie until McGhee came along and decided that he thought we weren't shipping enough goals.

 

As for Hibs n Dundee United etc, we are lucky to get a decent crowd anymore for these so called big games.

 

My point was that booing at half time when we're still at 0-0 isn't going to help us win the game. Fair enough after 90 minutes and we're drawing with Alloa or Brechin or getting beat by St Mirren.

[Jonty]

I'm talking about Pittodrie where we've had 16k+ fans at the games. We used to have a really good record against the OF at Pittodrie until McGhee came along and decided that he thought we weren't shipping enough goals.

 

As for Hibs n Dundee United etc, we are lucky to get a decent crowd anymore for these so called big games.

 

My point was that booing at half time when we're still at 0-0 isn't going to help us win the game. Fair enough after 90 minutes and we're drawing with Alloa or Brechin or getting beat by St Mirren.

 

If I was being booed at half time it would make me doubly determined to go out and show ther f4ckers in the second half that they were wrong, and should shut the f4ck up.

 

From what you say it looks like our players would be more interested in gurning and putting their heads down like a bunch of f**king jessies.

[K-9]

I'm talking about Pittodrie where we've had 16k+ fans at the games. We used to have a really good record against the OF at Pittodrie until McGhee came along and decided that he thought we weren't shipping enough goals.

 

As for Hibs n Dundee United etc, we are lucky to get a decent crowd anymore for these so called big games.

 

My point was that booing at half time when we're still at 0-0 isn't going to help us win the game. Fair enough after 90 minutes and we're drawing with Alloa or Brechin or getting beat by St Mirren.

On the other side of the coin, is cheering off a side who has just put in half effort and have been atrocious in 45 minutes going to help? I would actually argue that booing and letting them know that it wasn't good enough is far far more likely to help us win the game. And even when booed at HT they are always cheered back out for 2nd half.

 

And for the record McGhee was unbeaten at home to Rangers and lost 1 to Celtic at home.

[StandFree1982]

On the other side of the coin, is cheering off a side who has just put in half effort and have been atrocious in 45 minutes going to help? I would actually argue that booing and letting them know that it wasn't good enough is far far more likely to help us win the game. And even when booed at HT they are always cheered back out for 2nd half.

The problem I found with the Booing at half time is that it happens even when it isn't warrented. Sitting there thinking "we played pretty well and should go on and win this game in the second half" and that follows BOOO. I think certain fans just do it now out of habit if we're not winning.

[Jonty]

The problem I found with the Booing at half time is that it happens even when it isn't warrented. Sitting there thinking "we played pretty well and should go on and win this game in the second half" and that follows BOOO. I think certain fans just do it now out of habit if we're not winning.

 

I've never been to a game at Pittodrie where the team has been booed off at half time for playing well (I've been going since 1987).

[K-9]

Clapping brings up more as a search term also.

 

And let's not pretend that term wasn't banded about during the McGhee reign while the site was wiped, towards those who had faith in the manager, albeit time showed that faith was unfounded.

Absolutely - in first season probably unjustifiably but last season totally apt. Suppose it depends on what context it is used for. Some use it for anything but i would say it is someone who cheers crap and tells us it is good and that we should expect no more.

[Foster14]

Makes no sense whatsoever min!!

 

It did in my head. In short, the dictionary definition of support doesn't taken in to account fanaticism related to football.

 

If you use the dictionary definition of support, you can't support unless you are backing the current state of affairs (whether you agree with it or not).

[Guest]

If I was being booed at half time it would make me doubly determined to go out and show ther f4ckers in the second half that they were wrong, and should shut the f4ck up.

 

From what you say it looks like our players would be more interested in gurning and putting their heads down like a bunch of f**king jessies.

 

You perhaps, but then, you aren't a professional footballer, employed to play for AFC are you?

 

Seriously now for a second, do you really think that getting pelters is going to improve a fragile state of mind?

 

Fair enough, the manager doing this in the dressing room at half time, may well see some reaction. But so called supporters doing it during the actual match in many cases, is never ever going to have a positive effect.

[K-9]

You perhaps, but then, you aren't a professional footballer, employed to play for AFC are you?

 

Seriously now for a second, do you really think that getting pelters is going to improve a fragile state of mind?

 

Fair enough, the manager doing this in the dressing room at half time, may well see some reaction. But so called supporters doing it during the actual match in many cases, is never ever going to have a positive effect.

Poor wee lambs in wrong job then or at wrong club. Players giving their all shouldn't be getting and gyp at half time anyway. Players who have been plumb and half hearted deserve it and if that upsets them then they can f**k off to Hamilton or St Mirren.

[Foster14]

I don't boo.

 

If I ain't happy, I just don't cheer them off the pitch.

 

If others boo, fair enough. I have seen some times when I am utterly baffled by it. (i.e. drawing at home and performance hasn't been bad nor great, just average).

[Guest]

It did in my head. In short, the dictionary definition of support doesn't taken in to account fanaticism related to football.

 

If you use the dictionary definition of support, you can't support unless you are backing the current state of affairs (whether you agree with it or not).

 

I'd strongly disagree with you there. You've more or less made up your very own definition of the word support.

 

Again, to reitterate, it's to show encouragment amongst other things. You can support in many ways, by finaincial means as well. But you can still support and ask questions of the way the club is ran and the way the game is played. But I think what has fallen way short in recent years, is the support we give during the game. 100% backing for 90mins, then if you aint happy after it, asks questions of people. But during a sporting performance of any nature, sportsmen and woman need encouragment. It's human nature to push yourself when others are giving you support. Some may well thrive of the negativity that is brought by our support, but I'd hazard a guess, it's few and far between.