Considine

[barassie_afc]

All over the shop again v Hearts, positional awareness of a potato, I dont care if he tries hard, he isnt good enough.

[Virgin Don]

All over the shop again v Hearts, positional awareness of a potato, I dont care if he tries hard, he isnt good enough.

 

Really thought he didn't look that bad against Celtic playing alongside Arnason but that maybe cause he was doing there clearing up the mess. Will know doubt see on sat.

[barassie_afc]

So..........who do you think we should play there instead?

 

With the trialists the Dons are bringing in, and absolutely no money being spent on getting players in, who should play at centre back then if he's not good enough?

 

Maybe an under 19 who will be out of his depth?

 

I read this 'ALL THE TIME' - aye, he's not good enough, should be nowhere near the first team. I've heard it about pretty much every player now, but who can fill in? Who do you want there? With no f**king money to spend we have to like it or lump it because it will not change.

 

Arnason looks decent , and Mawene if uninjured also , Mcardle is better at CB than RB

[Foster14]

The first half, he was always on Sutton, trying to mop up long ball after long ball. When they started hitting McArdle repeatedly, our defence lost its shape. Two proper fullbacks would help our centrebacks no end.

[robbojunior]

Then next week it'll be 'McArdle shouldn't be anywhere near the first team'.

 

It's a vicious circle. If it's not Considine, then it'll be someone else that'll get it after Saturday.

 

Every week someone has to create a new thread and say how sh*t X, Y and Z are.

 

There isn't anything we can do, nor Brown unless rapid changes are made and he's given money to work with.

 

hmm not really, i think pretty consistently people have said McArdle is decent enough at CB. Never an RB though.

And Arnason and Mawene also good centre of defence.

 

i think consodine is so inconsistent he becomes a liability. at fault for 3rd goal saturday, and although not all his fault, 2nd goal he lost his man again by giving up. mcardle and gonzales both had blame in that goal. even first goal he was lost at sea - not at fault for the goal but all over the shop.

[barassie_afc]

hmm not really, i think pretty consistently people have said McArdle is decent enough at CB. Never an RB though.

And Arnason and Mawene also good centre of defence.

 

i think consodine is so inconsistent he becomes a liability. at fault for 3rd goal saturday, and although not all his fault, 2nd goal he lost his man again by giving up. mcardle and gonzales both had blame in that goal. even first goal he was lost at sea - not at fault for the goal but all over the shop.

 

Glad someone can see it, too often we see us losing goals and considine is running back towards his own line with his hands in the air, I think its probably a lack of intelligence

[Granite City Reds]

Considine can do a job, bit like Zander makes major mistakes now and again but this is not an important postition to replace at the moment. Its wide players and a striker, right back are far more critical than centre defence.

[tup]

He's a good central defender, he's no fullback for certain, far too leggy for that.

 

Not his fault if Hearts were pulling the back four all over the place, so it's unfair to point the finger and hang him out to dry over it.

[robbojunior]

He's a good central defender, he's no fullback for certain, far too leggy for that.

 

Not his fault if Hearts were pulling the back four all over the place, so it's unfair to point the finger and hang him out to dry over it.

 

its completely fair to point the finger when the other defenders were getting pulled around yes but for the key moments (the goals we conceded) he's caught ball watching and is no-where near the man he was marking - yet the other defenders are.

 

mcardle deserves stick for getting skinned for the second (in spite of the fact he's not a right back), but at least he showed his man wide and was marking him. considine was in dream land.

 

you can call it hanging him out to dry if you like, but the fact of the matter is he's extremely inconsistent.

[sheepiekev]

All over the shop again v Hearts, positional awareness of a potato, I dont care if he tries hard, he isnt good enough.

 

 

 

I agree.

No positional sense, and milk turns quicker than he does.

[Jazzer_Bett]

Don't think we need a thread targeting specific players peeps - surely a collective assesment in post match JIT threads is the way to do things.

 

Considine had some horrors under McGhee and he certainly isn't Franz Beckenbauer, but Brian Irvine started out looking a bit shady only to become a solid if unspectacular stalwart for us. I reckon Considine has that much in him.

 

The third goal was a fluke in that it landed at Sutton's feet - if thats what you are getting at Barassie. Coz in the other games this season so far Andy has done just fine.

[OddJob]

Don't think we need a thread targeting specific players peeps - surely a collective assesment in post match JIT threads is the way to do things.

 

Considine had some horrors under McGhee and he certainly isn't Franz Beckenbauer, but Brian Irvine started out looking a bit shady only to become a solid if unspectacular stalwart for us. I reckon Considine has that much in him.

 

The third goal was a fluke in that it landed at Sutton's feet - if thats what you are getting at Barassie. Coz in the other games this season so far Andy has done just fine.

Nail on head there Jazzer. Irvine was certainly not a fan favourite originally yet look at how much that changed.

[ollie1903]

Nail on head there Jazzer. Irvine was certainly not a fan favourite originally yet look at how much that changed.

Brian Irvine was quadruple the player that Considine is

[Redstar]

Brian Irvine was quadruple the player that Considine is

Totaly agree...top comitted player....ran around the town with A1 DON as his reg plate....The minute he went public with his MS diagnosis Aberdeen off loaded him to Dundee...I think this tells you all you need to know about the tw*ts that run the club............shame on you Milne!!!

[OddJob]

Brian Irvine was quadruple the player that Considine is

Not saying he wasn't, Irvine was one of my heroes and still a top guy, but he wasn't a fans favourite in the beginning and took a while to establish himself and ended up an Aberdeen legend. Have always said that Considine has been hampered by not having a consistent partner in defence and cementing a foundation for the future.

[Jazzer_Bett]

Brian Irvine was quadruple the player that Considine is

 

At the same age was he? No chance, if anything pysically Consi is a bigger lad than Bri was at age 24, and he was probably consistantly scoring more Own Goals at that age-!

 

Eventually Irvine turned out to be a good solid centreback Ollie, in time, once he'd learned his trade. he also had the benefit of a world class centreback beside during this learning process, in Big Red.

 

Gary Smith got a heap of games for AFC and he was distinctly average.

[StandFree1982]

Considine is still young enough to improve. He's been playing alongside some of the worst defenders Pittodrie has ever had the misfortune of fielding in his last 3-4 years so I am willing to give him a chance to better himself playing alongside someone better.

 

Considine isn't the reason we've not scored in 4 games. Think we need to address our offence before slating our defence. Other than the Hearts game, we could have had 5 points in our last 3 games rather than 2 points if we'd scored a single goal in each of those games.

[barassie_afc]

Considine is still young enough to improve. He's been playing alongside some of the worst defenders Pittodrie has ever had the misfortune of fielding in his last 3-4 years so I am willing to give him a chance to better himself playing alongside someone better.

 

Considine isn't the reason we've not scored in 4 games. Think we need to address our offence before slating our defence. Other than the Hearts game, we could have had 5 points in our last 3 games rather than 2 points if we'd scored a single goal in each of those games.

 

Not sure he cannot improve, he doesnt have the intelligence

[StandFree1982]

Not sure he cannot improve, he doesnt have the intelligence

To be fair, you don't need to be that intelligent to be a decent SPL defender!

[barassie_afc]

To be fair, you don't need to be that intelligent to be a decent SPL defender!

 

Positional intelligence

[tup]

Irvine has something in common with Considine.

 

He got dogs abuse from his own fans in the early stages of his Dons career, before he became a goalscoring central defensive cult hero.

 

He handled it well though.

[The Boofon]

At the same age was he? No chance, if anything pysically Consi is a bigger lad than Bri was at age 24, and he was probably consistantly scoring more Own Goals at that age-!

 

Eventually Irvine turned out to be a good solid centreback Ollie, in time, once he'd learned his trade. he also had the benefit of a world class centreback beside during this learning process, in Big Red.

 

Gary Smith got a heap of games for AFC and he was distinctly average.

 

I personally thought he was a great defender.

 

Especially first time round.

 

Gutted about that OG he got in the League Cup final. A travesty of a result. We were all over the pricks.

[ollie1903]

At the same age was he? No chance, if anything pysically Consi is a bigger lad than Bri was at age 24, and he was probably consistantly scoring more Own Goals at that age-!

 

Eventually Irvine turned out to be a good solid centreback Ollie, in time, once he'd learned his trade. he also had the benefit of a world class centreback beside during this learning process, in Big Red.

 

Gary Smith got a heap of games for AFC and he was distinctly average.

Considine is closing in on 25 years old, made his debut almost 8 years and 170 appearances ago and you think he is learning his trade? At a time when Scottish football is of a terrible, terrible standard.

Irvine made almost 400 appearances, scored 40 goals, largely in a time when we were fighting for most honours going, against real footballers, when our game was, well, relatively thriving. He was adored by pretty much everyone, to a man.

Brian Irvine was quadruple the player Considine is.

[barassie_afc]

Irvine has something in common with Considine.

 

He got dogs abuse from his own fans in the early stages of his Dons career, before he became a goalscoring central defensive cult hero.

 

He handled it well though.

 

As he was being unfairly compared to Miller and Mcleish, Considine isnt being compared to anyone, he is simply not good enough

[ollie1903]

I'll also add Irvine gained 9 Scotland caps.

 

Andrew would be lucky to get a Scotland ticket

[tup]

I'll also add Irvine gained 9 Scotland caps.

 

Andrew would be lucky to get a Scotland ticket

 

But Irvine was undeniably labelled a 'donkey' by his own fans when he broke through, and his ungainly stance was mocked by his own supporters, before he became something of an unlikely warrior to the cause.

[ollie1903]

But Irvine was undeniably labelled a 'donkey' by his own fans when he broke through, and his ungainly stance was mocked by his own supporters, before he became something of an unlikely warrior to the cause.

By some, as pointed out previously, unfairly, yes. In comparison to Miller n

[tup]

By some, as pointed out previously, unfairly, yes. In comparison to Miller n

[barassie_afc]

My point being that hindsight is a wonderful thing, and history is now kind to Irvine, but at the time many's a person would have dismissed him as 'not good enough for Aberdeen'.

 

Which is what is happening with Considine.

 

But he will never be good enough, i dont see it Tup , sorry

[tup]

But he will never be good enough, i dont see it Tup , sorry

 

Scottish players get better as they get older. David Weir never fully established himself until 27.

 

I think he's a good defender, if he just concentrates on defending.