Sectarian Internet Posts On Web Sites

[Stoneybloke]

A man has been jailed for eight months for posting sectarian comments about Catholics and Celtic fans on a social networking site.

 

http://www.holyrood.com/articles/2011/10/17/man-jailed-for-sectarian-internet-posts/

 

Looking at some of the comments on here, it may just be a matter of time before the Internet police pick up someone on this forum. Maybe there should be some warnings on this. What are the limits and what qualifies as being illegal?

[Bebo]

AFC-Chat is based in the United States. I've spoken to our hosts regarding this. They follow U.S law only, and in particular the 1st amendment which prohibits the infringing the rights of free speech. We don't have to respond to requests.

 

Facebook is a completely different story, because it has your bloody name next to your comments.

[Stoneybloke]

AFC-Chat is based in the United States. I've spoken to our hosts regarding this. They follow U.S law only, and in particular the 1st amendment which prohibits the infringing the rights of free speech. We don't have to respond to requests.

 

Facebook is a completely different story, because it has your bloody name next to your comments.

But Facebook originated in America, so doesn't the free speach thing apply to that as well?

[Bebo]

But Facebook originated in America, so doesn't the free speach thing apply to that as well?

 

As i said, it's different because the police don't need to request info to identify you on facebook.

 

Here your name is Stoneybloke, not your real name like it would be on facebook.

[V for Vendetta]

People here and indeed all dons fans should really be above any genuine sectarian behaviour.

 

Issue is what people say and comment in jest or the language used.

 

Good to here what you are saying Bebo but maybe people should just leave the sectarian stuff alone now. Just as with racism you have to be aware how your comments can be perceived rather than how you intended them.

[Dandyesque]

You should also be completely safe making sectarian comments about Rangers fans too - if you are from a Protestant background

 

Impossible to discriminate against your own, I would have thought?

[actonsheep]

As i said, it's different because the police don't need to request info to identify you on facebook.

 

Here your name is Stoneybloke, not your real name like it would be on facebook.

 

Incorrect. Even if the police can identify you from your profile they'd still be required to contact Facebook to get the information to ensure that the profile is actually owned and used by the person its claimed to. Facebook are obliged to respond to requests from UK law enforcement because they are registered to do business here, therefore UK law applies.

 

I'd double check your understanding if I were you. There are two UK entities shown on your whois record who would be the first point of contact for any law enforcement request. They'd give those contacts the choice of either providing the correct poster information, or taking responsibility themselves. The location of the host itself is irrelevant, whats important is where its run from, and where it does any business (if it does.). Does your advertising revenue end up in the US too?

 

TO sum up, your HSP is correct - they don't have any obligation to follow UK law, and would ignore any requests. But the request wouldn't go to them, it'd go to the scottish address listed on your whois record. And this person would be absolutely liable under law to provide any requested information. On top of that, your DNS registrar is also UK based, so they'd be able to attack the site through that avenue too.

[Bebo]

Incorrect. Even if the police can identify you from your profile they'd still be required to contact Facebook to get the information to ensure that the profile is actually owned and used by the person its claimed to. Facebook are obliged to respond to requests from UK law enforcement because they are registered to do business here, therefore UK law applies.

 

I'd double check your understanding if I were you. There are two UK entities shown on your whois record who would be the first point of contact for any law enforcement request. They'd give those contacts the choice of either providing the correct poster information, or taking responsibility themselves. The location of the host itself is irrelevant, whats important is where its run from, and where it does any business (if it does.). Does your advertising revenue end up in the US too?

 

TO sum up, your HSP is correct - they don't have any obligation to follow UK law, and would ignore any requests. But the request wouldn't go to them, it'd go to the scottish address listed on your whois record. And this person would be absolutely liable under law to provide any requested information. On top of that, your DNS registrar is also UK based, so they'd be able to attack the site through that avenue too.

 

All valid points but a mere inconvenience regarding domains. The .com can easily be transferred to a U.S based Don and who's to say the person that even owns the domains has anything to do with the running of the site or access to information to give?

[CrazyBullSheep]

Fuck the Fenian and dirty Orange bastards with the same black cock.

 

oh dear

[Bebo]

Fuck the Fenian and dirty Orange bastards with the same black cock.

 

I think Pat Butcher is going to get a early morning visit from the polis tomorrow.

[looksgoodinred]

I'll answer the door naked, full erection with Bodycount - Copkiller playing full blast in the background.

 

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[Redstar]

Extreme paranoia.........Stoneybloke you have either been smoking way to much grass...or...you are a closet Hun scaremongering Masonic cu*t.

I hope it's the former

[RAZOR]

I'll answer the door naked, full erection ready to fuck an altar boy like a priest

[Stoneybloke]

Extreme paranoia.........Stoneybloke you have either been smoking way to much grass...or...you are a closet Hun scaremongering Masonic cu*t.

I hope it's the former

Neither and it's not paranoia either. As the article said, the Scottish Government is sending out a message that it is clamping down on sectarian hatred. I wouldn't be surprised if the boys in blue are monitoring sites such as this looking for other victims.

 

I'm merely flagging it up to show that it's a possibility.

[Redstar]

Neither and it's not paranoia either. As the article said, the Scottish Government is sending out a message that it is clamping down on sectarian hatred. I wouldn't be surprised if the boys in blue are monitoring sites such as this looking for other victims.

 

I'm merely flagging it up to show that it's a possibility.

 

I really don't think this is a possibility.......and if it was AFC Chat would be low priority...If they are serious about this it would take them from now till 2050 to get thru the sectarian bile and the resulting court cases on the Tic and Hun sites

[OddJob]

Fuck the Fenian and dirty Orange bastards with the same black cock.

 

 

I'll answer the door naked, full erection with Bodycount - Copkiller playing full blast in the background.

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[Dandyesque]

It's "altar" Razor.

[RAZOR]

It's "altar" Razor.

 

Reading was never a strong point for yourself. Silly wee boy,jog on.

[Dandyesque]

 

Reading was never a strong point for yourself. Silly wee boy,jog on.

 

 

Never been to Reading.

 

Nice edit though - normally it's best not to attention to mistakes you've made while criticising others - particularly if you want to avoid looking foolish

[RAZOR]

Never been to Reading.

 

Nice edit though - normally it's best not to attention to mistakes you've made while criticising others - particularly if you want to avoid looking foolish

Silly wee boy all upset after yet another fail, what a shame.

[vanderark14]

Fuck the Fenian and dirty Orange bastards with the same black cock.

 

 

I'll answer the door naked, full erection with Bodycount - Copkiller playing full blast in the background.

 

 

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