Stick With Our Management Team!

[Dynamo]

We're 5th in the league for home form behind the two cheeks, Hearts and Killie. P8 W3 D2 L3 F13 A9 Pts11.

 

Bottom for away form a whole five points off Caley.

 

 

Not a surprise having amassed the grand total of 2 points on the road!

 

My question is, why is it so different between playing at home and away, for us?

 

In theory it's just the same game of football, played on grass between 11 guys on each side, only in a differetn setting. Now it's not as if we're heading to play in Turkey where the fans are mental and create a hostile atmosphere, it's 2 men a their dug at Kilmarnock!!

 

Browns sending the boys out with a different attitude when there's no need to!

[stand_free]

Something's clearly going wrong either in the way they're being set out or the preparation for the matches themselves. Having not seen only seen the two Old Firm away games I'm not really in a position to judge on the first point.

[Redstar]

Not a surprise having amassed the grand total of 2 points on the road!

 

My question is, why is it so different between playing at home and away, for us?

 

In theory it's just the same game of football, played on grass between 11 guys on each side, only in a differetn setting. Now it's not as if we're heading to play in Turkey where the fans are mental and create a hostile atmosphere, it's 2 men a their dug at Kilmarnock!!

 

Browns sending the boys out with a different attitude when there's no need to!

 

This is 100% correct...tho' why any cu*t listen's to him is beyond me...Broon still thinks he's the national manager going to tricky away ties in the Eastern Bloc..former Soviet..when in fact it's Tannadice and Easter Road...He's a living in the past...an over cautious befuddled old man!!

[stand_free]

His away record with Motherwell wasn't too shabby P18 W8 D5 L5 Pts29

[seanthesheep]

His away record with Motherwell wasn't too shabby P18 W8 D5 L5 Pts29

 

The difference is we can't win 3 or 4 games on the trot to instill the confidence within both the players and Craig Brown himself to play the same way away from home as we do at home.

 

If we were to win the next 3 games I think Brown would play 2 up front and attack the opposition whether we were home or away.

 

I think I remember Brown saying Motherwell went on a 10 game unbeaten run or something when he was there.

[fine-n-dandy]

Why is this 'great' home form anything to shout about?

The away form & form in total over shadows 3 bloody wins at home surely/

Let's take a look at the wins in fact..

ICT...... we pumped them first half but in the end were very luck to keep all 3 points (not convincing win)

Pars... They were on shite form & even then had an off day so were even bloody worse & that with our one on day made for a complete thrashing but we took advantage, so fair enough.

Utd... seem to remember that it wasn't such a convincing win as the score line suggests

 

But basically every dog has it's day & in that, teams that are shite still sometimes manage big results out of the norm. Much like ICT did against Killie a few of weeks ago

Our home form is no basis for saying we're safe & in good shape really (not when you take all things into consideration) we are shite as a whole & just nitpicking at tiny little plus points here & there doesn't change this. That is just Craig Brown talk.

 

We hit the woodwork 6 times & if all them had gome in :blahblah1: well they didn't & all fkn teams hit the woodwork.

Quit with the pishy wee daft CHILDISH excuses Broon & crack the fkn whip or FKOFF!

[Dynamo]

If we were to win the next 3 games I think Brown would play 2 up front and attack the opposition whether we were home or away.

 

We do play 2 up front!

[seanthesheep]

Why is this 'great' home form anything to shout about?

The away form & form in total over shadows 3 bloody wins at home surely/

Let's take a look at the wins in fact..

ICT...... we pumped them first half but in the end were very luck to keep all 3 points (not convincing win)

Pars... They were on shite form & even then had an off day so were even bloody worse & that with our one on day made for a complete thrashing but we took advantage, so fair enough.

Utd... seem to remember that it wasn't such a convincing win as the score line suggests

 

But basically every dog has it's day & in that, teams that are shite still sometimes manage big results out of the norm. Much like ICT did against Killie a few of weeks ago

Our home form is no basis for saying we're safe & in good shape really (not when you take all things into consideration) we are shite as a whole & just nitpicking at tiny little plus points here & there doesn't change this. That is just Craig Brown talk.

 

We hit the woodwork 6 times & if all them had gome in :blahblah1: well they didn't & all fkn teams hit the woodwork.

Quit with the pishy wee daft CHILDISH excuses Broon & crack the fkn whip or FKOFF!

 

You could say the same about the draws or defeats. St Johnstone we got a man sent off but still should have won the game and nearly did.

 

Celtic we were unlucky not to at least get a draw after defending so well and limiting them to shots from outside the box.

 

You can twist things from both angles! Swings and roundabouts as they say

[stand_free]

Why is this 'great' home form anything to shout about?

 

 

I only said fairly good

[seanthesheep]

We do play 2 up front!

 

Yes at home but away from home we weren't.

 

I don't attend away games but read on here and Mad that away from home we were playing 1 man up front. Is this wrong?

[Redstar]

His away record with Motherwell wasn't too shabby P18 W8 D5 L5 Pts29

Broon had nothing to do with Motherwell's form...neither did McGhee...Isn't that really obvious..for the umpteenth time...Motherwell listen and play for their captain

[fine-n-dandy]

You could say the same about the draws or defeats. St Johnstone we got a man sent off but still should have won the game and nearly did.

 

Celtic we were unlucky not to at least get a draw after defending so well and limiting them to shots from outside the box.

 

You can twist things from both angles! Swings and roundabouts as they say

 

 

Only if you are completely blinkered you can in this case.

 

You are the one that says Brown IS or CAN be attack minded but your ONLY argument to back this opinion up is the Pars game?

Well I can show you 50 games to every 1 of yours that he's been defensive minded.

Pars game he probaly gave the players free license cos he was getting it in the neck & told he had to, ken much like Butcher did with ICT against Killie but difference is there (in Butchers case) he came out & admitted it in the post match interview.

[Henry]

Broon had nothing to do with Motherwell's form...neither did McGhee...Isn't that really obvious..for the umpteenth time...Motherwell listen and play for their captain

 

makes you wonder why the Motherwell board haven't cottoned on to this. You'd make a fair cost saving by doing away with the management team altogether.

[K-9]

His away record with Motherwell wasn't too shabby P18 W8 D5 L5 Pts29

Motherwell had players when he went there that were capable of hitting on counter attack and had lost just twice in last 10 away games before Broon. And they had wide players. And full backs.

[seanthesheep]

Only if you are completely blinkered you can in this case.

 

You are the one that says Brown IS or CAN be attack minded but your ONLY argument to back this opinion up is the Pars game?

Well I can show you 50 games to every 1 of yours that he's been defensive minded.

Pars game he probaly gave the players free license cos he was getting it in the neck & told he had to, ken much like Butcher did with ICT against Killie but difference is there (in Butchers case) he came out & admitted it in the post match interview.

 

I'd agree away from home Brown is more cautious apart from against Dunfermline. At home we have tried to attack against the majority of teams.

 

I merely pointed out to everyone ssaying he was a negative chunt that he can be attack minded and I backed that up with the Pars home game and I can also add the pars away game.

 

You do realise that a team can be sent out to attack but the opposition defends so well that chances are limited ie the Motherwell game at Pittodrie where we couldn't penetrate them.

[Redstar]

makes you wonder why the Motherwell board haven't cottoned on to this. You'd make a fair cost saving by doing away with the management team altogether.

It's an observation...and after what we have seen by nicking their manager's twice only to find out both...have been possibly the worst pair of managers we have ever employed...I don't know maybe it's coincedence...who knows

[fine-n-dandy]

I'd agree away from home Brown is more cautious apart from against Dunfermline. At home we have tried to attack against the majority of teams.

 

I merely pointed out to everyone ssaying he was a negative chunt that he can be attack minded and I backed that up with the Pars home game and I can also add the pars away game.

 

You do realise that a team can be sent out to attack but the opposition defends so well that chances are limited ie the Motherwell game at Pittodrie where we couldn't penetrate them.

 

 

Home games should be a given that you are the attacking team, that should take care of itself but Broons (overall) tactics normally don't allow this to happen (pars game being pretty much the only overwhelming exception but circumstances helped dictate this) & the away game at Pars we HAD to as in were FORCED to go out on the attack & again circumstances FORCED this situation again.

We went into that game as a must win game & against a team with a terrible home record. We started stronger & got a break just before half time. Then Broons sends them out to try & FIRSTLY defend & hold the lead "INSTANT FAIL" & as a result lose three goals & are then FORCED to go out & chase the remainder of the game.

 

Brown hasn't got a fkn clue about going out & attacking teams & one exception at home against a poor Pars team (& on an even bigger than norm off day) doesn't change this fact.

[stand_free]

Motherwell had players when he went there that were capable of hitting on counter attack and had lost just twice in last 10 away games before Broon. And they had wide players. And full backs.

 

It does suggest he was a left a very good team to begin with, but if he's the abismal manager that people make out then surely he would have done a much worse job?

[stand_free]

Broon had nothing to do with Motherwell's form...neither did McGhee...Isn't that really obvious..for the umpteenth time...Motherwell listen and play for their captain

 

Yes they have a good captain. A good, stable captain in fact, which is something we lack with chopping and changing so much but to put their form completely down to Craigan is ridiculous. In that case all Aberdeen would need is a good captain and no manager? Nonsense. You need to have manager and captain singing from the same sheet with the captain not afraid to go to the manager and speak up when things aren't going right.

[seanthesheep]

Home games should be a given that you are the attacking team, that should take care of itself but Broons (overall) tactics normally don't allow this to happen (pars game being pretty much the only overwhelming exception but circumstances helped dictate this) & the away game at Pars we HAD to as in were FORCED to go out on the attack & again circumstances FORCED this situation again.

We went into that game as a must win game & against a team with a terrible home record. We started stronger & got a break just before half time. Then Broons sends them out to try & FIRSTLY defend & hold the lead "INSTANT FAIL" & as a result lose three goals & are then FORCED to go out & chase the remainder of the game.

 

Brown hasn't got a fkn clue about going out & attacking teams & one exception at home against a poor Pars team (& on an even bigger than norm off day) doesn't change this fact.

 

I disagree - apart from against the arse cheeks we have tried to attack every team in the league at home. Some teams are better at defending than others. Dunfermlines defence was awful and thus we opened them up time and time again.

 

Like i said earlier if we were on a decent run and confidence in the team was high then I firmly believe Craig Brown would setup his team to attack away from home. Attacking away from home with a team low on confidence can end in disaster!

[RUL]

I'm actually fed up reading redstars posts about craigen!

[RUL]

 

I disagree - apart from against the arse cheeks we have tried to attack every team in the league at home. Some teams are better at defending than others. Dunfermlines defence was awful and thus we opened them up time and time again.

 

Like i said earlier if we were on a decent run and confidence in the team was high then I firmly believe Craig Brown would setup his team to attack away from home. Attacking away from home with a team low on confidence can end in disaster!

could it be more of a disaster than having the worst away record in the league?

[Redstar]

Yes they have a good captain. A good, stable captain in fact, which is something we lack with chopping and changing so much but to put their form completely down to Craigan is ridiculous. In that case all Aberdeen would need is a good captain and no manager? Nonsense. You need to have manager and captain singing from the same sheet with the captain not afraid to go to the manager and speak up when things aren't going right.

Oh I agree the captain cannot take all the credit but having a strong man on the field is essential and Broon has not addressed this when it's so fu*king obvious that Arnason is the main contender out of what we have...

 

For Broon to not recognise this is very worrying...the longer he persists with Foster the more stupid he looks...the fact that Foster is quoted in the press bigging up Rangers...for me would be 2 week suspension and stripped of the captaincy (it's an easy out for Broon)...but old and stupid can't see that...

[seanthesheep]

could it be more of a disaster than having the worst away record in the league?

 

 

see Celtic game at Parkhead last season under Mcghee for the answer to that one!

[seanthesheep]

Oh I agree the captain cannot take all the credit but having a strong man on the field is essential and Broon has not addressed this when it's so fu*king obvious that Arnason is the main contender out of what we have...

 

For Broon to not recognise this is very worrying...the longer he persists with Foster the more stupid he looks...the fact that Foster is quoted in the press bigging up Rangers...for me would be 2 week suspension and stripped of the captaincy (it's an easy out for Broon)...but old and stupid can't see that...

 

Just a thought but if the rumours I read of Brown wanting rid of Foster in the window were true would it not be a mistake to strip him of the Captaincy . Captain of a club maybe could command a higher fee??

 

Arnason get the armband in Jan if Foster does get sold.

 

Just a thought.....

[stand_free]

could it be more of a disaster than having the worst away record in the league?

 

Exactly. Zero to lose everything to gain. Our last away game was a team previously hit for 6 by ICT. There was no excuse for not having a go but it sounds like we just had nothing up front. A lot of the ball but no idea what to do with it.

[fine-n-dandy]

Home games should be a given that you are the attacking team, that should take care of itself but Broons (overall) tactics normally don't allow this to happen (pars game being pretty much the only overwhelming exception but circumstances helped dictate this) & the away game at Pars we HAD to as in were FORCED to go out on the attack & again circumstances FORCED this situation again.

We went into that game as a must win game & against a team with a terrible home record. We started stronger & got a break just before half time. Then Broons sends them out to try & FIRSTLY defend & hold the lead "INSTANT FAIL" & as a result lose three goals & are then FORCED to go out & chase the remainder of the game.

 

Brown hasn't got a fkn clue about going out & attacking teams & one exception at home against a poor Pars team (& on an even bigger than norm off day) doesn't change this fact.

 

 

I disagree - apart from against the arse cheeks we have tried to attack every team in the league at home. Some teams are better at defending than others. Dunfermlines defence was awful and thus we opened them up time and time again.

 

Like i said earlier if we were on a decent run and confidence in the team was high then I firmly believe Craig Brown would setup his team to attack away from home. Attacking away from home with a team low on confidence can end in disaster!

 

 

But Broons overall tactics quell any serious attack minded play.

 

Just cos we try to dictate play (but still fail) at home doesn't change Broon's way of thinking. He'd be sacked first game if he played the way he OVERALL likes to play in the home games because it's an unwritten rule that the home team SHOULD dictate play.

 

So you think we are a great attacking team but other team's defences are just too good?? (well at home anyway) Where as our defence is just shite away from home?

[Redstar]

I'm actually fed up reading redstars posts about craigen!

I'll try and refrain...all it will take is folk to stop posting about how good Broon was at Well...Broon is fu*king hopeless...when people understand this I won't have to post as to why he got some good results at Well

[seanthesheep]

But Broons overall tactics quell any serious attack minded play.

 

Just cos we try to dictate play (but still fail) at home doesn't change Broon's way of thinking. He'd be sacked first game if he played the way he OVERALL likes to play in the home games because it's an unwritten rule that the home team SHOULD dictate play.

 

So you think we are a great attacking team but other team's defences are just too good?? (well at home anyway) Where as our defence is just shite away from home?

 

 

No I just think we do try to attack but aren't able to open most teams up at present. Sign the creative player we are craving in Jan and we will open up the more organised teams.

 

I never once said we were a "great" attacking team I said we try to attack teams. The discussion was whether Brown sets up to attack teams and at home I think he does.

[Redstar]

Just a thought but if the rumours I read of Brown wanting rid of Foster in the window were true would it not be a mistake to strip him of the Captaincy . Captain of a club maybe could command a higher fee??

 

Arnason get the armband in Jan if Foster does get sold.

 

Just a thought.....

I don't think the fact he's captain of the bottom team in the league would add to his value...in fact it may decrease his value...if we can punt him I'd do it...he's not the worst player we have...but his time at the huns has fu*ked him up and the damage this can cause in the dressing room is a very good reason to get rid