Real Barca

[fifered]

Has anyone said it's boring?

 

I don't recall anyone saying it does.

Haha, you post number 6!

[StandFree1982]

The thing that annoys me about Barca is the same thing that annoys me about Man U, Man City and Chelsea....it's the glory hunters that follow these teams. Every few days there are comments like "Hala Real" etc when they are playing and there is a big jizz fest. Trodding on the same ground as other threads, but the whole "I support Man U" from aberdonians, for example, when they don't even support a local team pisses me off. Obviously these "fans" don't know the meaning of the word "support".

 

Cue EPL supporters backlash and the"SPL is rubbish, why would I want to watch that when the EPL is miles better" comments. *tin hat on*

[Bluto10]

utter shite dynamo, I often don't even get involved. I put a point to him and he called me a cunt yet you are giving me grief for it?????

 

oh and we don't put anyone on blocker............... or else we couldn't moderate the site

 

 

now whos missing the point.

 

i called you patronising which you were when you said ''point missed as usual.'' quote unquote.

the ''as usual'' bit is particularly rude and unneccessary..

[Miglo don]

The thing that annoys me about Barca is the same thing that annoys me about Man U, Man City and Chelsea....it's the glory hunters that follow these teams. Every few days there are comments like "Hala Real" etc when they are playing and there is a big jizz fest. Trodding on the same ground as other threads, but the whole "I support Man U" from aberdonians, for example, when they don't even support a local team pisses me off. Obviously these "fans" don't know the meaning of the word "support".

 

Cue EPL supporters backlash and the"SPL is rubbish, why would I want to watch that when the EPL is miles better" comments. *tin hat on*

Agree totally, but if your a fan of football, then surely to fuck your a fan of the way barca play.

[vanderark14]

now whos missing the point.

 

i called you patronising which you were when you said ''point missed as usual.'' quote unquote.

the ''as usual'' bit is particularly rude and unneccessary..

 

in that case I only called you boring which you are so alls well that ends well

 

Agree totally, but if your a fan of football, then surely to fuck your a fan of the way barca play.

 

I'm sure most people can appreciate the way they play.

[jimbojim]

another prime example of barca centric hyperbole

 

off the top of my head.....

 

sanchez - loads.

fabregas - loads

ibrahimovic - 2nd most expensive player ever !!!!

villa - loads

alves - loads

mascherano - loads

the ruskie centre back - loads

pique - cheap, by barcas stds.

abidal- cheap, by barcas stds.

affelay - a veritable bargian, by barcas stds.

 

Barca's regular starting players

 

Valdes - through the youth academy

 

Alves - purchased

Puyol - through the youth academy

Pique - through the youth academy (although spent short time at man utd, still one of their own)

Abidal - purchased

 

Busquets - through the youth academy

Xavi - through the youth academy

Iniesta - through the youth academy

Fabregas - through the youth academy (although spent time at arsenal, still one of their own)

Thiago - through the youth academy

Mascherano - purchased

 

Messi - through the youth academy

Pedro - through the youth academy

Villa - purchased

Alexis - purchased

 

So of the 15, 10 came through la masia. Pretty poor eh.

[vanderark14]

Barca's regular starting players

 

Valdes - through the youth academy

 

Alves - purchased

Puyol - through the youth academy

Pique - through the youth academy (although spent short time at man utd, still one of their own)

Abidal - purchased

 

Busquets - through the youth academy

Xavi - through the youth academy

Iniesta - through the youth academy

Fabregas - through the youth academy (although spent time at arsenal, still one of their own)

Thiago - through the youth academy

Mascherano - purchased

 

Messi - through the youth academy

Pedro - through the youth academy

Villa - purchased

Alexis - purchased

 

So of the 15, 10 came through la masia. Pretty poor eh.

 

hold on a minute, even I know that they had to pay big bucks for Fabregas

[jimbojim]

The thing that annoys me about Barca is the same thing that annoys me about Man U, Man City and Chelsea....it's the glory hunters that follow these teams. Every few days there are comments like "Hala Real" etc when they are playing and there is a big jizz fest. Trodding on the same ground as other threads, but the whole "I support Man U" from aberdonians, for example, when they don't even support a local team pisses me off. Obviously these "fans" don't know the meaning of the word "support".

 

Cue EPL supporters backlash and the"SPL is rubbish, why would I want to watch that when the EPL is miles better" comments. *tin hat on*

 

I totally agree with this.

 

I only support team, always have always will.

 

However, I like Spurs and I like Barca. I like watching them play, i like seeing them win but nothing compares to aberdeen.

[jimbojim]

hold on a minute, even I know that they had to pay big bucks for Fabregas

 

My point is that he was a product of their youth academy.

[vanderark14]

My point is that he was a product of their youth academy.

 

and bluto's was that they have spent money on players and big money as well.

[Miglo don]

hold on a minute, even I know that they had to pay big bucks for Fabregas

Still a product of their youth system though,

 

The point is you could field a team of players who came through the ranks and they would still be dominant.

[jimbojim]

and bluto's was that they have spent money on players and big money as well.

 

Ok take fabregas off the list then, 9 out of the 15 are from the youth.

 

Absolutely appalling eh.

[vanderark14]

Ok take fabregas off the list then, 9 out of the 15 are from the youth.

 

Absolutely appalling eh.

 

no not at all, it is too be applauded for having such a youth system but they have spent "big" to compliment that

[StandFree1982]

no not at all, it is too be applauded for having such a youth system but they have spent "big" to compliment that

That's the thing, bringing in young players is great, but you need experienced, talented players alongside them to take them to the next level. Just looks at Fraser Fyvie, he had the exceptional gifted and respected Mark Kerr to look up to.

[dezzy_dan]

its like the dawn of time, folk are amazed by barcalona as if they are the 1st decent football side ever.

 

barca are obvioulsy the team of the era. but for me its not so much that barcalona are geat, more its messi. without him, we wouldnt be talking about a great team. they owe everything to him.

 

he is so superior to all the players around him taht at times it does look like barca are a one man team.

 

If, as you say, Barcelona are merely a decent team driven on by the greatest ever, then why haven't Argentina achieved more success recently? After all, they have decent players too. If all it takes is Messi to be surrounded by a decent side then surely we would have seen similar success at international level, which is now arguably a poorer standard due to the big club teams' financial power.

 

He is undoubtedly a huge player for Barca, but to attribute all their success to him hugely undervalues the input of the rest of the team. What about the tactical awareness of Busquets and Pique in breaking up play? What about the work rate and determination of Alves and Pedro? What about the creativity of Villa? Finally, what about the ability of Xavi, Iniesta and, laterly, Fabregas in keeping possession of the ball? I'd argue it is these ball players that Barca owe everything too. They give Messi the platform to perform so excellently in almost every game.

 

Messi gets the protection and ammunition his talents so greatly deserve in this team. To write Barcelona off as merely decent with one fantastic individual is naive at the very least. They have achieved everything they have due to their team ethic and the work they have put into staying tactically and technically ahead of everyone else.

[E-P-K]

I have followed Barcelona for 5/6 years now, never miss and game on the tv unless travelling back from killie or some hole such as that and have been over a few times when aberdeen not playing, and how anyone can be bored of witnessing the greatest team of all time is beyond me.

 

The MIX as i like to call them (Messi, Iniesta, Xavi) are 3 of the worlds all time greats, messi without a shadow of a doubt being the best player there has and ever will be, pissing all over ronaldo whom doesn't even come close.

 

Mouriniho and his Madrid cunts are indeed the rangers of spain as someone previously mentioned. Last night was a disgrace although no different than what i come to expect from them, blootering barca players all over the park. Pepe stamping on messi's hand was nothing shy of a disgrace, but will the spanish fa do anything about it? Will they fcuk, they are more biased than the SFA towards Madrid.

 

Barca weren't even in second gear last night and destroyed them, 70%+ possesion (standard) at the bernabeau, madrid fans aint gonna put up with that nonsense for much longer. Mouriniho will no doubt claim barca were lucky again

 

5 points clear in the league.

[fifered]

Or roberto, you said something daft and had to correct yourself. Let's not argue over symantics, it's boring.

 

As for a bandwagon, I don't actually think there is one. There are lots of folk, I'd include myself in that, who watch barca every week and who love the way the play, think they have amazing players and like loads of folk I've been to watch than at the nou camp as well, I'm not a barca 'fan' though. Anyway this whole, you've got to support your local team and nobody else thing is utter pish. I don't support my local team (that would have been dunfermline), i support AFC, nobody on here slags all the dons fans from America or Australia etc, but as soon as someone says they like English teams or even barca, they are shot down. It's all bulshit, you can support who you want and anyone with a problem with that can take a run and fuck as far as I'm concerned.

[jimbojim]

5 points clear in the league.

 

If you understand spanish football and Real Madrid, you'd understand winning is not an awful lot to them if they don't play to entertain.

 

They've won the treble in the past and sacked the manager due to style of play.

[Dynamo]

If you understand spanish football and Real Madrid, you'd understand winning is not an awful lot to them if they don't play to entertain.

 

They've won the treble in the past and sacked the manager due to style of play.

 

 

After barca winning the last 3 i'm sure they'll be delighted to just have the trophy back.

 

They have the best goal difference in the league as well so they're winning better than Barca too.

 

For a team like Barca, their away record in the league is poor. 3 wins compared to Madrids 8.

 

12 goals in 8 games.

[jimbojim]

After barca winning the last 3 i'm sure they'll be delighted to just have the trophy back.

 

They have the best goal difference in the league as well so they're winning better than Barca too.

 

For a team like Barca, their away record in the league is poor. 3 wins compared to Madrids 8.

 

12 goals in 8 games.

 

Perhaps but playing the way they do against barca defo rubs the fans up the wrong way. And the thing is, they still lose.

 

Barca seem to have lost motivation to win some league games against the lesser teams. It's disappointing but once you've won everything the last 3, 4, 5 years, leagues, cups, champions leagues, world club cups, world cups, euro championships, the will to win is naturally going to die. But then when they come up against madrid, the motivation comes back and they school them. Unfortunately, Madrid are most probably going to win the league this year because of barcas lack of will to win and Mouriniho will be the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[Bluto10]

Barca's regular starting players

 

Valdes - through the youth academy

 

Alves - purchased

Puyol - through the youth academy

Pique - through the youth academy (although spent short time at man utd, still one of their own)

Abidal - purchased

 

Busquets - through the youth academy

Xavi - through the youth academy

Iniesta - through the youth academy

Fabregas - through the youth academy (although spent time at arsenal, still one of their own)

Thiago - through the youth academy

Mascherano - purchased

 

Messi - through the youth academy

Pedro - through the youth academy

Villa - purchased

Alexis - purchased

 

So of the 15, 10 came through la masia. Pretty poor eh.

 

no. 3 of the barcalona p.r. machine

 

fabregas and pique are barcalona home grown players.

 

come on min, esp fabregas he is arsenal's player. he might have played for barcalona up untill 15 i think, but his transoformation into a international/world class player came courtesy of arsenal.

 

pique less so as he wasnt so influential at utd as cesc was at arsenal but to call him a home grown player from barca is ignoring teh facts

[Bluto10]

If, as you say, Barcelona are merely a decent team driven on by the greatest ever, then why haven't Argentina achieved more success recently? After all, they have decent players too. If all it takes is Messi to be surrounded by a decent side then surely we would have seen similar success at international level, which is now arguably a poorer standard due to the big club teams' financial power.

 

He is undoubtedly a huge player for Barca, but to attribute all their success to him hugely undervalues the input of the rest of the team. What about the tactical awareness of Busquets and Pique in breaking up play? What about the work rate and determination of Alves and Pedro? What about the creativity of Villa? Finally, what about the ability of Xavi, Iniesta and, laterly, Fabregas in keeping possession of the ball? I'd argue it is these ball players that Barca owe everything too. They give Messi the platform to perform so excellently in almost every game.

 

Messi gets the protection and ammunition his talents so greatly deserve in this team. To write Barcelona off as merely decent with one fantastic individual is naive at the very least. They have achieved everything they have due to their team ethic and the work they have put into staying tactically and technically ahead of everyone else.

 

of course i do exaggerate slightly when i call them a 1 man team. they arent, they do have very good players alonside messi.

''very good'' players, just like man u, just like real madrid, just like bayern...... etc tec

 

however i will stand by my point that this barca side, messi apart, arent really all that.

yes they play exceptionally well as a team and a unit and their individual styles complement each other perfectly. and thats arguably as important as messi is.

 

but outwith messi they may not ahve got to 3 c.l. finals and i doubt they'd have beaten man united twice.

and tehy most certainly wouldnt beat teh great ac milan sides of the late 80s and early 90s.

 

as for your argentina point.

well tehy are the biggest joke in international football for me.

some great players but teh whole team is a total waste of space

[jimbojim]

of course i do exaggerate slightly when i call them a 1 man team. they arent, they do have very good players alonside messi.

''very good'' players, just like man u, just like real madrid, just like bayern...... etc tec

 

however i will stand by my point that this barca side, messi apart, arent really all that.

yes they play exceptionally well as a team and a unit and their individual styles complement each other perfectly. and thats arguably as important as messi is.

 

but outwith messi they may not ahve got to 3 c.l. finals and i doubt they'd have beaten man united twice.

and tehy most certainly wouldnt beat teh great ac milan sides of the late 80s and early 90s.

 

as for your argentina point.

well tehy are the biggest joke in international football for me.

some great players but teh whole team is a total waste of space

 

This FCB team with or without messi (who is undoubtably their best player, best player of all time) would wipe the floor with manchester united absolutely hands down.

 

To even consider this current joke of a man utd team in the same league as barcelona with or without messi is laughable. If anyone is a 1 man team, it's man utd and rooney. Other than that, they have no one that would even make barcelonas bench.

 

Any 3 of Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher, Scholes, Giggs v Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta.

[Bluto10]

This FCB team with or without messi (who is undoubtably their best player, best player of all time) would wipe the floor with manchester united absolutely hands down.

 

To even consider this current joke of a man utd team in the same league as barcelona with or without messi is laughable. If anyone is a 1 man team, it's man utd and rooney. Other than that, they have no one that would even make barcelonas bench.

 

Any 3 of Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher, Scholes, Giggs v Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta.

 

i think your missing what i'm getting at here.

 

chelsea in 09 effectively beat them.

inter in 2010 did beat them.

united in 2008 beat them.

 

arsenal have given then a good game last season. and were harshly done by with awful referreeing.

 

the 2011/12 man united is obvioulsy a different beast to the 2010/11; 2009/10 ; 2008/09 and 2007/08 versions.

 

anyway its about the cumulative effect over a whole season of not having such a genuienly oustandfing player for your team.

 

you need to remember that barca dont habve the monoploy on good players.

[StandFree1982]

i think your missing what i'm getting at here.

 

chelsea in 09 effectively beat them.

inter in 2010 did beat them.

united in 2008 beat them.

 

arsenal have given then a good game last season. and were harshly done by with awful referreeing.

 

the 2011/12 man united is obvioulsy a different beast to the 2010/11; 2009/10 ; 2008/09 and 2007/08 versions.

 

anyway its about the cumulative effect over a whole season of not having such a genuienly oustandfing player for your team.

 

you need to remember that barca dont habve the monoploy on good players.

How can you "effectively" beat someone? you either beat them, i.e. score more goals than the opposing team, or you didn't.

[Stoney]

I was at the 2008 game, against united, barca were the better team and had it not been for tevez united would have lost.

[Bluto10]

How can you "effectively" beat someone? you either beat them, i.e. score more goals than the opposing team, or you didn't.

 

you know exactkly what i mean.

[Bluto10]

I was at the 2008 game, against united, barca were the better team and had it not been for tevez united would have lost.

 

eh?

 

if you remember right ronaldo bottled a first minute penalty and in the second leg scholes sored the decisive goal.

 

no doubt about it, united deserved to win.

[StandFree1982]

you know exactkly what i mean.

Football is a results game. You don't win a game by being the better team on the night, you have to score more goals than the opposition! (or the away goal rule). Football is a simple game, none of this "we effectively won because we had more corners/possession/shots"

[Bluto10]

Football is a results game. You don't win a game by being the better team on the night, you have to score more goals than the opposition! (or the away goal rule). Football is a simple game, none of this "we effectively won because we had more corners/possession/shots"

 

no, it was teh refereeing actually.

 

the worst performance i've seen in a long time.