Real Barca

[Stoney]

eh?

 

if you remember right ronaldo bottled a first minute penalty and in the second leg scholes sored the decisive goal.

 

no doubt about it, united deserved to win.

 

Dont you worry - i remember the game like it was yesterday!

 

United did not deserve to win. The same was as i dont think they deserved to win the final

[Stoney]

Match report

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7368730.stm

[Bluto10]

Dont you worry - i remember the game like it was yesterday!

 

United did not deserve to win. The same was as i dont think they deserved to win the final

 

i agree with you about the final, from the little of it that i remember,.... but not the semi.

[Stoney]

Check match report above dude

 

And google the articals, all seem to agree.

 

Cant find the match stats but cant remember us having much shots on goal.

[jimbojim]

i think your missing what i'm getting at here.

 

chelsea in 09 effectively beat them.

inter in 2010 did beat them.

united in 2008 beat them.

 

arsenal have given then a good game last season. and were harshly done by with awful referreeing.

the 2011/12 man united is obvioulsy a different beast to the 2010/11; 2009/10 ; 2008/09 and 2007/08 versions.

 

anyway its about the cumulative effect over a whole season of not having such a genuienly oustandfing player for your team.

 

you need to remember that barca dont habve the monoploy on good players.

 

Barcelona v Arsenal at the nou camp was one of the most one sided games i've ever seen.

 

Arsenal were the first team i have ever seen have 0 shots on target and 0 shots off target.

[Bluto10]

Barcelona v Arsenal at the nou camp was one of the most one sided games i've ever seen.

 

Arsenal were the first team i have ever seen have 0 shots on target and 0 shots off target.

 

 

think they were winning werent they, untill van persie was harshly sent off.

[dezzy_dan]

of course i do exaggerate slightly when i call them a 1 man team. they arent, they do have very good players alonside messi.

''very good'' players, just like man u, just like real madrid, just like bayern...... etc tec

 

however i will stand by my point that this barca side, messi apart, arent really all that.

yes they play exceptionally well as a team and a unit and their individual styles complement each other perfectly. and thats arguably as important as messi is.

 

but outwith messi they may not ahve got to 3 c.l. finals and i doubt they'd have beaten man united twice.

and tehy most certainly wouldnt beat teh great ac milan sides of the late 80s and early 90s.

 

as for your argentina point.

well tehy are the biggest joke in international football for me.

some great players but teh whole team is a total waste of space

 

That is the point. Individually, they may not have an outstanding squad (Messi, Xavi and Iniesta aside - at least in my view). However, they are being referred to as the best team in the world and arguably ever because they work so well as a unit that nobody has been able to put up a lasting challenge to them. Surely that can't be lost on you?

 

Anyway, so what if they have Messi? Milan had some world class players too. The best of their generation. That would have been a driving force behind their achievements.

 

You doubt they'd have beaten Man Utd? They were well beaten on both occassions, Rooney in particular commenting on how they couldn't deal with Xavi and Iniesta.

 

There are very few sides in the history of the game that have had sustained success in every competition. That in itself gives Barcelona the right to be part of the debate as to who is the greatest team ever.

 

Me thinks there is a level of bitterness behind your statements or at the very least you hold a British disdain for tippy tappy football.

[Nespa]

Players like Pepe should be destroyed by UEFA for their general "cuntness"! seems the sort of guy even his teammates hate!

[Bluto10]

That is the point. Individually, they may not have an outstanding squad (Messi, Xavi and Iniesta aside - at least in my view). However, they are being referred to as the best team in the world and arguably ever because they work so well as a unit that nobody has been able to put up a lasting challenge to them. Surely that can't be lost on you?

 

Anyway, so what if they have Messi? Milan had some world class players too. The best of their generation. That would have been a driving force behind their achievements.

 

You doubt they'd have beaten Man Utd? They were well beaten on both occassions, Rooney in particular commenting on how they couldn't deal with Xavi and Iniesta.

 

There are very few sides in the history of the game that have had sustained success in every competition. That in itself gives Barcelona the right to be part of the debate as to who is the greatest team ever.

 

Me thinks there is a level of bitterness behind your statements or at the very least you hold a British disdain for tippy tappy football.

 

 

now i'm getting lost on my original points....

 

my point was that messi elevates tham above the standard of teh rest of teh team. he makes them great. otherwise they are just, well like this current man u side, (best at the time but not anywhere near contetion for the best ever).

[Stoney]

Thats bit like saying taking pele out of the brazil team and they would have been average.

[Bluto10]

Thats bit like saying taking pele out of the brazil team and they would have been average.

 

yeah true it is. but were not in 1970 anymore.

 

teh barca love in, should really be a messi love in. cause he is the difference between this barca side and all else. not xavi. not iniesta. seen them before. been there done it worn the strip. but messi.

 

 

the ronaldo vs messi debate for me hasnt been relevant for a number of years now.

[fifered]

yeah true it is. but were not in 1970 anymore.

 

teh barca love in, should really be a messi love in. cause he is the difference between this barca side and all else. not xavi. not iniesta. seen them before. been there done it worn the strip. but messi.

 

 

the ronaldo vs messi debate for me hasnt been relevant for a number of years now.

That's nonsense. Xavi has been regularly voted in the top 3 or 4 players in the world in the last few years. He and iniesta are an outstanding pair of footballers. I can't believe that you genuinely can't see that. Name another two midfielders over the last 4 years who could be considered their equals?

 

Barca have won 13 out 16 trophies they have entered since guardiola took over and yet the argument against them seems to be that because of an odd goal loss to inter and a late winner against Chelsea they cannot be considered the best team ever. Drivel.

 

The messi argument is a nonsense considering Spain are dominant internationally because of about 7 or 8 barca players. This Spain team could, with another euro and world cup win, also end up being considered the best international team of all time, they have the squad to do it.

[Bluto10]

That's nonsense. Xavi has been regularly voted in the top 3 or 4 players in the world in the last few years. He and iniesta are an outstanding pair of footballers. I can't believe that you genuinely can't see that. Name another two midfielders over the last 4 years who could be considered their equals?

 

Barca have won 13 out 16 trophies they have entered since guardiola took over and yet the argument against them seems to be that because of an odd goal loss to inter and a late winner against Chelsea they cannot be considered the best team ever. Drivel.

 

The messi argument is a nonsense considering Spain are dominant internationally because of about 7 or 8 barca players. This Spain team could, with another euro and world cup win, also end up being considered the best international team of all time, they have the squad to do it.

 

''considered the best team ever'' - yeah they well do. cause of messi.

 

iniesta and xavi might well be the best around at the moment but thats not to say they are all time greats or any rubbish like that.

[fifered]

''considered the best team ever'' - yeah they well do. cause of messi.

 

iniesta and xavi might well be the best around at the moment but thats not to say they are all time greats or any rubbish like that.

That's always going to be a matter of opinion that nobody will ever agree on, however I reckon they are right up there with the best, although neither are the equal of Zidane.

 

It's your point that barca aren't all that without messi. That doesn't hold up to examination when you consider Spain.

[Bluto10]

That's always going to be a matter of opinion that nobody will ever agree on, however I reckon they are right up there with the best, although neither are the equal of Zidane.

 

It's your point that barca aren't all that without messi. That doesn't hold up to examination when you consider Spain.

 

spain have loads of brilliant non barca players BTW.

 

dont label spains brilliance all down to barca please.

[jimbojim]

spain have loads of brilliant non barca players BTW.

 

dont label spains brilliance all down to barca please.

 

Spains brilliance is 90% down to barca

[Bluto10]

Spains brilliance is 90% down to barca

 

fcukin hell.

 

 

cassillas

ramos

alonso

 

albiol, arbeloa [all real madrid]

 

 

or the newish alba [valencia]

 

cazorla [villareal/malaga], or silva [valencia]

 

or llortente [bilbao] or torres [atletico/liverpool].

 

of course this barca side had to go out and buy david villa [valencia]

and fabregas [arsenal] (oh and pique [mufc] too).

 

so i guess yes, your right spains success is 90% to do with barcalona. no other club in spain or beyond produces or nurtures spainish players, do they.

[fifered]

spain have loads of brilliant non barca players BTW.

 

dont label spains brilliance all down to barca please.

Did I?? I said 7 or 8 players. Pique, puyol, xavi, iniesta, villa, busquets and pedro all started the world cup final. Now add fabreas to that. Jesus, if tht is not a massive influence then what is? They even play the same formation, have the same style and same work ethic. You argue the other way though. Spain undoubtedly have a brilliant squad, hence why I said in the future they may be considered the best international team ever.

 

Your arguments and tunnel vision are becoming ridiculous.

[jimbojim]

Did I?? I said 7 or 8 players. Pique, puyol, xavi, iniesta, villa, busquets and pedro all started the world cup final. Now add fabreas to that. Jesus, if tht is not a massive influence then what is? They even play the same formation, have the same style and same work ethic. You argue the other way though. Spain undoubtedly have a brilliant squad, hence why I said in the future they may be considered the best international team ever.

 

Your arguments and tunnel vision are becoming ridiculous.

 

Correct.

 

Bluto is quite clearly a clown.

[Quagmire]

Why does anyone even bother replying to Bluto now? He spins out all the usual bullshit about Barcelona every couple of weeks and makes himself look a complete tit in the process. He has absolutely no footballing brain at all.

 

Xavi and Iniesta are very good players just like any other top European teams have very good players? Xavi and Iniesta would walk into any other European team. Ask any of the top European teams and they would swap any player they have for Iniesta, the only thing going against Xavi now is his age. You honestly think Man U have any midfielder, at this current time, better than the two? In the last 10-15 years the only player thats came close is Scholes.

 

Barca would have wiped the floor with Man U at Wembley last season without Messi. One man team? What a load of shit.

[RealAberdeen]

Its going to go right to the wire and hopefully Madrid can win the league this year. Solid team bit of a blip last night.

[E-P-K]

If you understand spanish football and Real Madrid, you'd understand winning is not an awful lot to them if they don't play to entertain.

 

They've won the treble in the past and sacked the manager due to style of play.

 

 

I fully appreciate that managers of Real have won trophies, and been sacked, most noticeably Capello after he won the league. however he had a win ratio of 55%, Jose Mourinho has a win % of 76.5%. even the all conquering Real teams of the past, the managers did not have a win % this high.

 

 

It could be argued that if Mourinho wins La Liga this year, ahead of this Barca team, it will be his greatest achievement to date.

[jimbojim]

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/s58wkpscl5bDe3RtcOrYA_w/view.m?id=15&gid=football/blog/2012/jan/19/real-madrid-regression-barcelona-clasico&cat=most-read

 

Good article by someone whom obviously knows what they are talking about.

[Scarface]

What a screamer from Dani Alves!

[Sandafc]

What a game, Madrid have been brilliant tonight and should have been a few up before Barca scored twice in a couple of mins.. Great comeback from Real 2 all now and 4 - 3 on agg.

 

One more needed by Real! Come on! Oh and Ronaldo has been brilliant to shut up people who said he doesnt do it in big games.

[boboisared]

Ref is a total homer.

[Sandafc]

Ref is a total homer.

 

Yup definately.. Ramos second yellow a joke. Dubious goal chalked off for Ramos too. Clearly pulled but Alves made the most of it.

[fifered]

Real hashly done by however they are a bunch of petulant little children. If they put as much effort into their football as they did whining and moaning, diving, fouling and sarcastically applauding the ref then they might win these games.

[boboisared]

Real hashly done by however they are a bunch of petulant little children. If they put as much effort into their football as they did whining and moaning, diving, fouling and sarcastically applauding the ref then they might win these games.

So do everything Barca do without the sarcastically clapping then?

[zig-a-zig-ah]

Ace game, forget all the shite, the best 2 sides around bar none.