Ross Mccormack

[RUL]

Haha i find it hard to believe that levein actually wanted to speak to someone

[dazzy_deff]

The fact they are Scottish should mean them getting selected for Scotland international team. International football becoming a farce and just like club game. How long before transfer fees for players?

we can't afford to not use the rules to our advantage. Other countries do it all the time. If a better player becomes available who happens to have been born in England then so be it.

[V for Vendetta]

Is Phillips any better?

 

I quite like McCormack as a player.

Overlooked for an English laddie.

 

Phillips is a winger isn't he? So different positions.

 

If anything you could say McCormick is being overlooked for recent english call ups like Mackie and Mackail-Smith.

 

It's crazy.

 

Why does CMS and Goodwillie get in the squad when McCormack is banging them in and def one of the better players in the Championship.

 

McNaughton should be in the squad and he needs to sort out the Fletcher issue.

 

I don't rate this prick tbh based on so many things, and this latest squad is just annoying.

 

Seems pretty clear McCormick should be in there but that has been the case for a while - very baffling whats going on there.

 

McNaughton should definately be getting a call up - look at the people we have been playing at full back the last few years. Whittaker for example as an abominable fullback. We've also trudged out quite a few other no hopers in that position.

 

It's the fact this boy is so keen to stay involved that he's chasing answers and got fuck all. Disgusting

 

Agreed. Really poor that he is so keen to play, has been in great form over a period of 2 years but gets ignored. And completely the opposite to Fletcher who has made no bones about the fact he doesn't really give a shit.

 

But i don't understand this though. Despite the size of our country, there are still good enough born and bred scots to choose from and he overlooks them.

 

There are good enough born and bred Scots, yes but are there enough good born and bred Scots?

Some depth is required. We have always had the odd player in the team that was "less" Scottish than me or you. I think its just that the proliferation when some decent Scottish players are left out that is starting to become a bit daft now.

 

Why Scots like McNaughton, McCormick for example are not called up is the problem. There are good Scottish players being ignored - thats the issue IMO.

 

Of the guffs he's picked in his tenure we have (what i can remember):

 

Bardsley

R. Martin

Gilks

Phillips

Mackail-Smith

Mackie

Commons

Morrison

 

Now Bardsley has done well for us and Mackail-Smith played well in the last 2 games but Commons & Morrison have flattered to deceive and although Mackie is decent enough i still think they shouldn't be playing ahead of other players. And why he persists in calling up Gilks i have no idea

 

Now that you list those players - most have done fairly well and are better then most of the alternatives... I think your list makes the case for their inclusion more than it does against it.

 

Morrison has been very good as well, not sure why you think otherwise.

 

Lets not forget we have had a team filled with some complete haddies not that long ago - some of these guys are genuine improvement on other options.

 

 

Fair enugh Levein does seem to be a bawbag. I have no evidence of this but lots of people say so, who am I to argue. Certainly some of his tactical line ups are shocking and some of his player selections.

 

However I'll ask this what recent Scotland manager didn't make odd player selections, picking guys who clearly can't cut it and leaving out players in fantastic form? Would you prefer to see another OF manager shoe in for the job again and have every player connected with Rangers or Celtic picked for every squad.

 

And in Levein's defence I can offer one thing. He rapidly dropped the biggest problem in a Scotland shirt - the use of Lee McCulloch or Gary Caldwell as a "holding" midfielder - what a load of shite. Playing a complete clogger in behind the midfield is a sure fire way to have the whole team boxed into your own half. This was resolved by putting a ball player in that area - Adams or Bannan usually. A good move in my opinion.

 

So yes, agreeing with most of the criticism here but I also think some credit is due.

[barassie_afc]

bv

Phillips is a winger isn't he? So different positions.

 

If anything you could say McCormick is being overlooked for recent english call ups like Mackie and Mackail-Smith.

 

 

 

Seems pretty clear McCormick should be in there but that has been the case for a while - very baffling whats going on there.

 

McNaughton should definately be getting a call up - look at the people we have been playing at full back the last few years. Whittaker for example as an abominable fullback. We've also trudged out quite a few other no hopers in that position.

 

 

 

Agreed. Really poor that he is so keen to play, has been in great form over a period of 2 years but gets ignored. And completely the opposite to Fletcher who has made no bones about the fact he doesn't really give a shit.

 

 

 

There are good enough born and bred Scots, yes but are there enough good born and bred Scots?

Some depth is required. We have always had the odd player in the team that was "less" Scottish than me or you. I think its just that the proliferation when some decent Scottish players are left out that is starting to become a bit daft now.

 

Why Scots like McNaughton, McCormick for example are not called up is the problem. There are good Scottish players being ignored - thats the issue IMO.

 

 

 

Now that you list those players - most have done fairly well and are better then most of the alternatives... I think your list makes the case for their inclusion more than it does against it.

 

Morrison has been very good as well, not sure why you think otherwise.

 

Lets not forget we have had a team filled with some complete haddies not that long ago - some of these guys are genuine improvement on other options.

 

 

Fair enugh Levein does seem to be a bawbag. I have no evidence of this but lots of people say so, who am I to argue. Certainly some of his tactical line ups are shocking and some of his player selections.

 

However I'll ask this what recent Scotland manager didn't make odd player selections, picking guys who clearly can't cut it and leaving out players in fantastic form? Would you prefer to see another OF manager shoe in for the job again and have every player connected with Rangers or Celtic picked for every squad.

 

And in Levein's defence I can offer one thing. He rapidly dropped the biggest problem in a Scotland shirt - the use of Lee McCulloch or Gary Caldwell as a "holding" midfielder - what a load of shite. Playing a complete clogger in behind the midfield is a sure fire way to have the whole team boxed into your own half. This was resolved by putting a ball player in that area - Adams or Bannan usually. A good move in my opinion.

 

So yes, agreeing with most of the criticism here but I also think some credit is due.

 

 

Credit ? Not sure does Vogts not have a similar or better competitive record ?

[RUL]

we can't afford to not use the rules to our advantage. Other countries do it all the time. If a better player becomes available who happens to have been born in England then so be it.

 

What a load of fucking crap!

[dazzy_deff]

What a load of fucking crap!

what's crap about it? Other than mcnaughton and McCormack - who I've already said should be in the squad - what born and bred scots are better than the English born players called up?

[RUL]

what's crap about it? Other than mcnaughton and McCormack - who I've already said should be in the squad - what born and bred scots are better than the English born players called up?

 

It's not the individuals but the entire policy that's crap

[dazzy_deff]

It's not the individuals but the entire policy that's crap

agree I'd rather all national teams were made up of players from that country. But while the rest of the worlds national teams use the rules to their advantage, we need to do the same. We can't afford to be left too far behind just to stick to our guns.

[vanderark14]

Bardsley - replaced by Lee Wallace

R. Martin - McManus, Considine or Webster

Gilks - Marshall

Phillips - Mccormack

Mackail-Smith - Fletcher

Mackie - Jordan Rhodes

Commons - doesnt really get picked now

Morrison - Mccarthur

 

Its debatable whos the better player from the list above but at least those on the right are Scottish

[SoundOfSilence]

Bardsley - replaced by Lee Wallace

R. Martin - McManus, Considine or Webster

Gilks - Marshall

Phillips - Mccormack

Mackail-Smith - Fletcher

Mackie - Jordan Rhodes

Commons - doesnt really get picked now

Morrison - Mccarthur

 

Its debatable whos the better player from the list above but at least those on the right are Scottish

 

[Dynamo]

McCormack and McNaughton are Scots I would love to see in the squad. Other than them, I think the English players he has called up are better than what we have.

 

 

English players. Exactly.

 

We should be doing what we can with SCOTTISH players.

 

International football becoming more and more of a joke.

 

Kevin Prince Boateng declaring for Ghana (despite his bro playing for Germany), playing in the world cup and then retiring from international football after it! Joke.

[dazzy_deff]

Bardsley - replaced by Lee Wallace (Bardsley is far better than Wallace.)

R. Martin - McManus, Considine or Webster (that doesnt even warrant a bite)

Gilks - Marshall (3rd choice keeper so not overly fussed with either of them)

Phillips - Mccormack (Phillips is a winger, McCormack a striker)

Mackail-Smith - Fletcher (Fletcher obviously doesnt want to play for Scotland so move on...plus hes not Scottish)

Mackie - Jordan Rhodes (Rhodes aint Scottish)

Commons - doesnt really get picked now (again not overly fussed about him.)

Morrison - Mccarthur (not seen enough of either consistently to say McArthur would be better)

 

Its debatable whos the better player from the list above but at least those on the right are Scottish

We want the best players available for selection, not a slightly worse player in just because he was born and bred in Scotland. Like I have already said, other countries use the rules to their advantage, so we need to aswell, otherwise we will just continue to fall further and further behind the so called smaller nations.

[dazzy_deff]

English players. Exactly.

 

We should be doing what we can with SCOTTISH players.

 

International football becoming more and more of a joke.

 

Kevin Prince Boateng declaring for Ghana (despite his bro playing for Germany), playing in the world cup and then retiring from international football after it! Joke.

I totally agree, in an ideal world, all nations would only use players born and bred in that country. But while other nations use the rules to make themselves stronger, we need to do it too.

[V for Vendetta]

bv

 

 

Credit ? Not sure does Vogts not have a similar or better competitive record ?

 

Look I'm not saying Levein doesn't deserve the criticism. He does.

He also picks too many players of debatable "scottishness" for my liking.

 

BUT the previous managers did the same sort of thing only they picked crap old firm players over good scottish players.

And I for one thing Charlie Adam is a million times the player McCulloch was. Yet for years I was forced to watch I guy who can't pass a ball more than 5 yards play the key deep midfield position.

 

So its not all sunshine and roses without Levein.

 

If you want to make the comparison with vogts be my guest. I'm certainly not wasting time doing it for you

 

Bardsley - replaced by Lee Wallace

R. Martin - McManus, Considine or Webster

Gilks - Marshall

Phillips - Mccormack

Mackail-Smith - Fletcher

Mackie - Jordan Rhodes

Commons - doesnt really get picked now

Morrison - Mccarthur

 

Its debatable whos the better player from the list above but at least those on the right are Scottish

 

Well for a start Fletcher and Rhodes are no more Scottish than some of the guys you apparently want binned.

Also

Bardsley is better than Wallace.

McManus is awful and has had dozens of caps to grow into international football

Webster is over the hill and we need to look to the future

Morrison is better and also a diff type of player to mcarthur

Marshall also is very poor and has dozens of chances before

 

So yes i get the arguments that these guys shouldn't play for Scotland but please don't tell me these players are better and in 2 cases "more scottish". Fletcher doesn't even have the balls to call the manager and say the words "I am available for selection now". Its not hard but he doesn't want to do it. He'd probably rather play for GB.

[Dandyesque]

Look I'm not saying Levein doesn't deserve the criticism. He does.

He also picks too many players of debatable "scottishness" for my liking.

 

BUT the previous managers did the same sort of thing only they picked crap old firm players over good scottish players.

And I for one thing Charlie Adam is a million times the player McCulloch was. Yet for years I was forced to watch I guy who can't pass a ball more than 5 yards play the key deep midfield position.

 

So its not all sunshine and roses without Levein.

 

If you want to make the comparison with vogts be my guest. I'm certainly not wasting time doing it for you

 

 

 

Well for a start Fletcher and Rhodes are no more Scottish than some of the guys you apparently want binned.

Also

Bardsley is better than Wallace.

McManus is awful and has had dozens of caps to grow into international football

Webster is over the hill and we need to look to the future

Morrison is better and also a diff type of player to mcarthur

Marshall also is very poor and has dozens of chances before

 

So yes i get the arguments that these guys shouldn't play for Scotland but please don't tell me these players are better and in 2 cases "more scottish". Fletcher doesn't even have the balls to call the manager and say the words "I am available for selection now". Its not hard but he doesn't want to do it. He'd probably rather play for GB.

 

 

Fletcher is at least half Scottish and brought up here - Pawlett would be another who is Scottish by upbrining if not parentage.

 

Some of those players couldn't point out Inverness on a map of the UK and have no connection with Scotland of any real substance.

 

I'm sure it must act as a disincentive to Scots born and based players - at the very least, it will encourage them to move South to have any hope of getting in the squad.

[dazzy_deff]

Fletcher is at least half Scottish and brought up here - Pawlett would be another who is Scottish by upbrining if not parentage.

 

Some of those players couldn't point out Inverness on a map of the UK and have no connection with Scotland of any real substance.

 

I'm sure it must act as a disincentive to Scots born and based players - at the very least, it will encourage them to move South to have any hope of getting in the squad.

People seem to think that people who qualify through parentage dont care about how they do for us...bollocks. My grandma was from Northern Ireland, if I had been a footballer and didnt play for Scotland but got a game for N Ireland Id be proud to do so and go all out to make my grandma proud. Thats more likely going to be the attitude of most.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

Not a fan of the rule but its in place and thats it. As Dazzy says we cant afford to fall behind if everyone else is using it.

 

I dont mind the likes of Morrison or Bardsley who have Scottish parents. They were probably brought up "Scottish". Also quite like the new schooling rule - but its when someone has one grandparent from Scotland and have never even been in Scotland that gets me. Especially when its a 2nd rate player who is no better than a Scotsman looking to break in

[Henry]

 

I dont mind the likes of Morrison or Bardsley who have Scottish parents. They were probably brought up "Scottish".

 

Bardsley's old man happened to be born in Glasgow, as his parents happened to be on holiday at the time. Almost certainly not 'brought up Scottish'.

[Sonoftherock]

It's tough to know where to draw the line on this one... as it's quite conceivable that a player could be born to Scottish parents, while working over in England. It'd be tough to deny that player an opportunity to play for Scotland.

 

The grand parent rule needs to go though.

 

Also, controversially, I reckon guys like Pawlett and Driver should also be entitled to play for Scotland. They've been brought up in Scotland for most of their life, speak with more than a hint of a Scottish accent too! Arguably, I call both those lads Scottish.

 

Calling up folk like Matt Phillips is a complete joke. This guys link to Scotland in tenuous at best.... when you hear him speak he sounds like Tinie Tempah and I wouldn't be surprised if he's never set foot north of the border.

[V for Vendetta]

Yep its tough to call.

 

There is no hard and fast rule that makes someone more proud and commited to play for scotland than someone else. And in fact there are planty of nuggets with scottish parents, born and bred here who don't really have the proper commitment.

 

I suppose the overall point is we should see scottish players in the scottish team and the more guys picked that are more english than scottish then the less tolerance there is going to be for it.

 

I don't mind the odd "anglo" in the squad as long as the player can look his manager and all his teammates in the eye at the end of every game and know he has given everything he could.

 

It would also help if Levein didn't have quite so many of them and if good, in form Scots players weren't being ignored like McCormick, McNaughton and to an extent Wallace.

 

Fletcher for me made this situation himself and I'm not sure I'd want someone back in the squad with the sort of attitude he has shown.

[vanderark14]

Look I'm not saying Levein doesn't deserve the criticism. He does.

He also picks too many players of debatable "scottishness" for my liking.

 

BUT the previous managers did the same sort of thing only they picked crap old firm players over good scottish players.

And I for one thing Charlie Adam is a million times the player McCulloch was. Yet for years I was forced to watch I guy who can't pass a ball more than 5 yards play the key deep midfield position.

 

So its not all sunshine and roses without Levein.

 

If you want to make the comparison with vogts be my guest. I'm certainly not wasting time doing it for you

 

 

 

Well for a start Fletcher and Rhodes are no more Scottish than some of the guys you apparently want binned.

Also

Bardsley is better than Wallace.

McManus is awful and has had dozens of caps to grow into international football

Webster is over the hill and we need to look to the future

Morrison is better and also a diff type of player to mcarthur

Marshall also is very poor and has dozens of chances before

 

So yes i get the arguments that these guys shouldn't play for Scotland but please don't tell me these players are better and in 2 cases "more scottish". Fletcher doesn't even have the balls to call the manager and say the words "I am available for selection now". Its not hard but he doesn't want to do it. He'd probably rather play for GB.

 

sorry but you should have a read of what I said. I didn't say any of them were better than the others.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

The only reason players dont get called up after a few games for the Old Firm these days is because the Old Firm are a lot weaker than they were a few years ago.

 

Nowadays we just call up players who play a couple of games for Brighton