2009-12 The Decline

[Stoney]

As the "have we improved" thread has come back up thought i would waste some of my time putting together some stats to show the pretty much constant decline since 2009, Actually quite surprised at how big a gulf there is between this season and last alone. These stats are for league only

 

Jan 2009 - May 2009 Calderwood

 

P19 W5 D8 L6 F18 A21 P23

 

0.947 Goals per game

1.105 against per game

1.21 points per game

 

26.3 win%

36.8% Games not scored in

31.5% Games with Clean Sheet

 

Jun 2009 - May 2010 Mcghee

 

P38 W10 D11 L17 F36 A52 P41

 

0.947 Goals per game

1.34 against per game

1.07 points per game

 

26.7 win%

34.2% Games not scored in

28.94% Games with Clean Sheet

 

Jun 2010 - Dec 2010 Mcghee

 

P15 W3 D1 L11 F15 A31 P10

1 Goal per game

2.06 against per game

0.66 points per game

 

20.0 win%

46.66% Games not scored in

13% Games with clean sheet

 

Dec 2010 - May 2011 Brown

 

P23 W8 D4 L11 S24 A28 P28

0.95 Goals per game

1.21 against per game

1.21 points per game

 

34.7 win%

39.1% Games not scored in

34.7 Games with clean sheet

 

Jun 2011 - Present day Brown

 

P32 W7 D12 L13 S29 A37 P33

 

0.90 Goals per game

1.15 against per game

1.031 points per game

 

21.87 win%

46.8% Games not scored in

28.7% Games with clean sheet.

 

Most depressing thing putting all that together, regardless of the manager

 

Total win % is 27.5% and in 43.5% of games we havnt scored in.

 

Fucking embarassement.

[Crossbow]

No one can look at these figures and say any of them are acceptable for Aberdeen FC.

 

A very poor three years.

[Stoney]

Good post.

 

What do you reckon the reasons are Stoney?

 

Three incompetent managers or something deeper rooted?

 

Everybody has to take a share of the blame.

 

Think the board have given decent backing but we are wasting money in the wrong areas - too much board room wages for my liking, and think the managers have wasted the funds they have been given on some very poor signings.

 

Think we need to be doing more to get young players into the first team. Also improved scouting is a must.

[Dandyesque]

From looking at those stats, it would appear that we have improved in some respects - the defence has improved.

 

Scoring goals remains as much of a problem as it was previously - and it's not like we were significantly better at scoring in Calderwood's earlier seasons either.

 

The problem is that we are scoring our goals in the wrong games and not taking proper advantage of the clean-sheets.

 

Too many draws have cost us points this season

[Dynamo]

Good post.

 

What do you reckon the reasons are Stoney?

 

Three incompetent managers or something deeper rooted?

 

 

I think it's exactly that.

 

I believe another manager with the resources we've had this season would do a far better job.

 

We have signed 12 first team players since the summer. With maybe 2 of them on low wages (Uchechi and Chalali).

[K-9]

Good post.

 

What do you reckon the reasons are Stoney?

 

Three incompetent managers or something deeper rooted?

Bits of both.

[K-9]

From looking at those stats, it would appear that we have improved in some respects - the defence has improved dramatically and we now have a shut-out in close to half of our matches. Scoring goals remains as much of a problem as it was previously - and it's not like we were significantly better at scoring in Calderwood's earlier seasons either.

 

The problem is that we are scoring our goals in the wrong games and not taking proper advantage of the clean-sheets.

 

Too many draws have cost us points this season

9 shutouts in 32 games this season is nowhere near half min.

 

Last season we had 10 shutouts in 38 games.

Even in McGhee full season we had 11 shutouts in 38 games.

 

 

In Calderwood early season we scored 44 and 46 which is much more goals. Also conceded less aswell then. Not sure what the argument is there though

[Dandyesque]

9 shutouts in 32 games this season is nowhere near half min.

 

 

You're right.

 

But 43.7% is.

 

Either Stoney's stats are shite, or there is something he's not telling us (about cup games)

[Stoney]

I lifted the clean sheets thing from the SPL site, i got lazy but will go and count up.

 

Thats the only think i didnt double check ffs.

[K-9]

I think it's exactly that.

 

I believe another manager with the resources we've had this season would do a far better job.

 

We have signed 12 first team players since the summer. With maybe 2 of them on low wages (Uchechi and Chalali).

Agree with this but don't think any managers pushed to do any more than mid table mediocrity and the odd cup semi. No ambition at all from above and sometimes seems that managers are doing as well as expected.

[Stoney]

K9 is correct, Have no idea where the 14 has came from as we havnt even got that in cups.

 

Have ammended

[Dandyesque]

K9 is correct, Have no idea where the 14 has came from as we havnt even got that in cups.

 

Have ammended

 

So have I.

 

My point looks a little less valid now though - cheers for that!

 

 

Edit- I blame Brown (and Stoney)

[K-9]

So have I.

 

My point looks a little less valid now though - cheers for that!

 

 

Edit- I blame Brown (and Stoney)

Lol. Things would certainly look a lot better had we kept 15 clean sheets this season.

 

6 of our 9 clean sheets have been 0-0 draws aswell.

[Stoney]

No harm in trying to make our current manager look a bit better

[SkyeDon]

I believe there is something deep-rooted at Pittodrie and there has been for years. Perhaps it's Milne, perhaps it's not?

 

But there is definitely something.

[Dandyesque]

I believe there is something deep-rooted at Pittodrie and there has been for years. Perhaps it's Milne, perhaps it's not?

 

But there is definitely something.

 

I find it hard to believe that one man could have such an effect on the team - and not be the first team manager.

 

Milne has undoubtedly had an effect, but I believe that it is about time a sizeable proportion of fans woke up to the reality of who AFC are in terms of the modern game and actually got behind the team it wants to win, rather than turning up only to shout abuse.

 

It is this attitude, as much as the team's performances that is driving me away from Pittodries as it is so bloody depressing.

 

1983 is long gone. We will NEVER see players of that quality reach their peaks at AFC - if they even start a match before leaving. Time we woke up and smelled the (Lidl) coffee.

[Dynamo]

I find it hard to believe that one man could have such an effect on the team - and not be the first team manager.

 

Milne has undoubtedly had an effect, but I believe that it is about time a sizeable proportion of fans woke up to the reality of who AFC are in terms of the modern game and actually got behind the team it wants to win, rather than turning up only to shout abuse.

 

It is this attitude, as much as the team's performances that is driving me away from Pittodries as it is so bloody depressing.

 

1983 is long gone. We will NEVER see players of that quality reach their peaks at AFC - if they even start a match before leaving. Time we woke up and smelled the (Lidl) coffee.

 

When the team plays well I think you'll find they get nothing but 100% backing from the fans.

[Dandyesque]

When the team plays well I think you'll find they get nothing but 100% backing from the fans.

 

Utter pish. It doesn't matter how well we play - there is a large mongol element who will still shout abuse at their "favourites" for any perceived mistake. Justified or otherwise.

 

And the team should not need to play well to get the backing of the fans- that should be a given. The support should be looking to encourage them to play better, not sitting back, waiting for goals and only opening their fucking ignorant permanently scowling mouths to boo at half-time.

 

That is not supporting your team.

[Dynamo]

Utter pish. It doesn't matter how well we play - there is a large mongol element who will still shout abuse at their "favourites" for any perceived mistake. Justified or otherwise.

 

And the team should not need to play well to get the backing of the fans- that should be a given. The support should be looking to encourage them to play better, not sitting back, waiting for goals and only opening their fucking ignorant permanently scowling mouths to boo at half-time.

 

That is not supporting your team.

 

 

Utter pish? Really? No matter how well we play?

 

Not the case from the games we've played well this season.

 

I'll name them.

 

Dunfermline game - great support at home.

Dundee United game home and away - again, full backing. Wasn't there but I heard the away support was terrific?

Huns away - Again wasn't there, but from people who were I heard the support was again brilliant.

Motherwell cup game - fantastic.

Celtic home game - we played well, and the fans backed the team.

 

Do you disagree?

 

Struggling of the top of my head to recall other games in which we played well.

 

If someone/the team is playing pish they'll hear about it. I think that's fair enough. They're grown men, what do they want "aw that's alright, but better luck next time"?

[Crossbow]

I find it hard to believe that one man could have such an effect on the team - and not be the first team manager.

 

 

1983 is long gone. We will NEVER see players of that quality reach their peaks at AFC - if they even start a match before leaving. Time we woke up and smelled the (Lidl) coffee.

 

You are of course correct - 1983 is long gone - Scotland, let alone Aberdeen, will never produce a team capable of beating Real Madrid.

 

I do not for one second think otherwise - nor do I have fanciful notions of what can be achieved. However it should be possible to find 11 average footballers and put them out in a standard fashion with our budget and give the other average teams in our league a good and enjoyable match - sometimes this will involve us crating chances, winning and scoring goals. We have a reasonable budget - this should not be an impossibility over many seasons.

 

It is not just SM and corporate Pittodrie though that is a bloated and overblown group - we sadly have had managers and players who view mediocrity as achievement. Regardless of who we play we should never be content to lose and we should not play every game as if we are defending a 1- 0 lead against the aforementioned Real Madrid, afraid to attack. It is allegedly the best form of defence except in AFC land..

[Dandyesque]

Utter pish? Really? No matter how well we play?

 

Not the case from the games we've played well this season.

 

I'll name them.

 

Dunfermline game - great support at home.

Dundee United game home and away - again, full backing. Wasn't there but I heard the away support was terrific?

Huns away - Again wasn't there, but from people who were I heard the support was again brilliant.

Motherwell cup game - fantastic.

Celtic home game - we played well, and the fans backed the team.

 

Do you disagree?

 

Struggling of the top of my head to recall other games in which we played well.

 

If someone/the team is playing pish they'll hear about it. I think that's fair enough. They're grown men, what do they want "aw that's alright, but better luck next time"?

 

 

Totally. Missing. The. Point.

[Dynamo]

Difference being not so long ago the fans also used to get behind the team even when we weren't, with the hope of us lifting our game.

Like this semi coming up, you'd think defeat was a foregone conclusion the way folk are going on - whereas in reality it's a game we may or may not win but folk are as well staying away if their minds are made up and let the rest of us support the team.

 

 

Clearly didn't work then.

 

The support will be up for it for the semi final, no doubt about that.

[Dynamo]

Totally. Missing. The. Point.

 

 

Good post.

[Dandyesque]

Good post.

 

It was. As you were.

[Stoney]

That and the fact we dont score in almost half our games!

[gypsymuffin]

I've been a season ticket holder for about ten seasons now, and I thought this season has been so bad. There has been like 3/4 good games.

[Dandyesque]

That and the fact we dont score in almost half our games!

 

It's been like that for years - I am in no way laying this at Brown's door.

[K-9]

You'd be surprised how many times it did.

 

Nowadays it's booooooo at half time/full time of we aren't winning, a direct by product of folk watching too much EPL.

Been same for last 30 years at Pittodrie and same when we were best team in Europe. In fact same every single team in Scottish premier.

 

Away support much more vociferous and right behind team but that not exactly helping with 2 wins in 16 in league.

 

In factors of why we have been so poor the fans are way way way down the list at the bottom.

[Dynamo]

Not meaning to be suggesting otherwise and X amount of years of failure has ground folk down.

 

Dynamo seemed to be suggesting its all about the team playing well to earn backing, whereas I reckon it should be more of a two way street during the 90 while obviously not happy clapping like a seal.

 

There's no lack of effort from this steals squad IMO, hence I'm more willing to back them than I would be if it was a "better" year which involved minimum effort bollocks as seen in certain recent years.

 

 

The point I was trying to make was that Dandyesque's claim that "It doesn't matter how well we play - there is a large mongol element who will still shout abuse at their "favourites" for any perceived mistake." is nonsense.

[K-9]

It's been like that for years - I am in no way laying this at Brown's door.

Not true. We have never in our history scored less goals per game than we have this season.

 

In fact going back to 70s we have just dropped below goal per game twice. 0.95 goals per game under McGhee in 09/10 and this season down to 0.91 goals per game.