Best Of Luck To Helsingborg

[tup]

I've always liked Sweden and I hope the tattie munchers come a cropper there tonight

[Bluto10]

i had an ace holiday in skane last year.

 

signed.

[Henry]

All the best to Swedes.

 

Hopefully that neep Lennon will be greeting tonight.

 

Would be a turnip for the books if the Tims could get a result away from home.

[tup]

Has there ever been a more ridiculous looking man in Scottish football than thon Lustig boy that plays for Celtic?

 

His coupon is an absolute shocker, smashed with the ugly stick bigtime as a loon.

[Bluto10]

oh aye looks liek a proper barbaric viking type.

he'd probably rape his own ma, if it took his fancy.

would fit in well up your way tup.

[tup]

Which cunt is -1'ing me for this anti-Celtic thread?

 

Our resident bead rattler?

[tup]

Cheers.

 

I think Bobby Connor should name and shame.

[BrianFaePerth]

All the very best tae

[muttonhumper]

i had an ace holiday in skane last year.

 

signed.

I had a tremendous day of beer and wine in Helsingborg also last year topped off with a marvellous Bob hund gig at the excellent Tivoli. Brilliant venue.

 

Signed.

[chaos_defrost]

For the good of Scottish football I want the Swedes to win.

[Dynamo]

For the good of Scottish football I want the Swedes to win.

 

 

This.

 

On the radio last night, they were speculating about the Tims transfer activity. Essentially they suggested that win this tie - they'll spend, lose this tie - they'll stick with what they've got.

 

Fuck Celtic.

[gla5gowdon]

Two minds really.

 

For Them Losing:

 

1. Funny

2. Less cash.

 

For Them Winning:

 

1. Scottish co-efficient

2. Distracts them from domestic competitions.

 

I'll be happy either way.

[tup]

For Them Winning:

 

1. Scottish co-efficient

2. Distracts them from domestic competitions.

 

1. Total non-argument. Irrelevant.

2. Aye, by piling

[dj_bollocks]

I think Bobby Connor should name and shame.

 

Are you Ally McCoist ?

[chaos_defrost]

Two minds really.

 

For Them Losing:

 

1. Funny

2. Less cash.

 

For Them Winning:

 

1. Scottish co-efficient

2. Distracts them from domestic competitions.

 

I'll be happy either way.

 

If they win it'll just mean that they'll be stronger for next season or if another team actually has the audacity to be challenging them come Jan, they'll go and spend big to make sure they win the league or they'll bribe the refs with even more money.

[tup]

There is no feasible argument which validates the rest of Scotland supporting either of the Old Firm in European competition given the shit they have put us all through domestically.

 

They hate us.

 

We hate them.

 

Simple.

[BrianFaePerth]

There is no feasible argument which validates the rest of Scotland supporting either of the Old Firm in European competition given the shit they have put us all through domestically.

 

They hate us.

 

We hate them.

 

Simple.

 

 

:confused:

[gla5gowdon]

1. Total non-argument. Irrelevant.

2. Aye, by piling

[Dynamo]

Weegie pish is wanting the Scottish co-efficient to be better? You are a fucking loser tup, really.

 

 

He's right, your close proximity to these Old Firm sorts has clearly infected you.

 

I suggest you move.

[Tommy]

I've done Gothenburg so it's a come on Helsingborg fae me.

[tup]

Weegie pish is wanting the Scottish co-efficient to be better? You are a fucking loser tup, really.

 

Yes, it's weegie pish, reported by the weegie mafia as if it's fact that we should all accept.

 

Repeated by foolish weegies ad nauseum.

 

I'll make it simple for you. Fuck the co-efficient. What the fuck good has 'wanting the Scottish co-efficient to be better' done supporters of the smaller clubs in Scotland? Are we tearing Europe apart because of the exploits of the Old Firm in 'making the Scottish co-efficient better'?

 

Are we fuck!

 

There is no benefit whatsoever.

 

There are two things at play here, which are at odds with each other:

 

1. Celtic progressing, making them vast amounts of money in the process, balanced against:

2. an improved co-efficient.

 

 

1. Is of massive detriment to the other 11 SPL clubs.

2. Helps Celtic next year. Does not benefit the other clubs at all.

 

 

i.e. you're talking out of a hole in your arse.

[gla5gowdon]

Yes, it's weegie pish, reported by the weegie mafia as if it's fact that we should all accept.

 

Repeated by foolish weegies ad nauseum.

 

I'll make it simple for you. Fuck the co-efficient. What the fuck good has 'wanting the Scottish co-efficient to be better' done supporters of the smaller clubs in Scotland? Are we tearing Europe apart because of the exploits of the Old Firm in 'making the Scottish co-efficient better'?

 

Are we fuck!

 

There is no benefit whatsoever.

 

There are two things at play here, which are at odds with each other:

 

1. Celtic progressing, making them vast amounts of money in the process, balanced against:

2. an improved co-efficient.

 

 

1. Is of massive detriment to the other 11 SPL clubs.

2. Helps Celtic next year. Does not benefit the other clubs at all.

 

 

i.e. you're talking out of a hole in your arse.

 

Finishing 2nd place this season would've given us a crack at getting the Champions League money. As it happens, Europa league is the best we can hope for. So you don't think giving Scottish teams better competitions to enter or more advanced qualifying stages are a good thing? Do you not think being in Europe would allow us to attract a better level of player? I would've thought the benefit from that would be clear.

 

But are, you're right, weegie pish.

 

Should Scottish clubs attempt to fail to lower the co-efficient so the league winner (probably Celtic) has to start in an even lower qualifying phase?

 

Celtic are always going to have more money and afford a better level of player than the rest of the league whether they are in Europe or not so it makes no difference to the other clubs domestically.

[Foster14]

Finishing 2nd place this season would've given us a crack at getting the Champions League money. As it happens, Europa league is the best we can hope for. So you don't think giving Scottish teams better competitions to enter or more advanced qualifying stages are a good thing? Do you not think being in Europe would allow us to attract a better level of player? I would've thought the benefit from that would be clear.

 

But are, you're right, weegie pish.

 

Should Scottish clubs attempt to fail to lower the co-efficient so the league winner (probably Celtic) has to start in an even lower qualifying phase?

 

Celtic are always going to have more money and afford a better level of player than the rest of the league whether they are in Europe or not so it makes no difference to the other clubs domestically.

 

I'd rather Aberdeen got good enough to qualify for Europe with a lower coefficient, than scrape in through a shitty position.

 

At least with the former we wouldn't embarrass ourselves, with the latter we typically would, and therefore see no benefit other than a jolly.

 

Come September, I am sure Motherwell will fondly remember being papped out of two European competitions in next to no time.

 

As for your final comment, they can afford a better level of player than the rest of us, but without Europe they can't retain the best (Hooper et al will hardly be wanting to stay for another year with no Europe and no OF match) and they also can't build as big a squad of such players as they won't be happy sitting on the bench through a domestic only season.

 

Them not qualifying will benefit everyone else, both in the short and long term.

[tup]

Finishing 2nd place this season would've given us a crack at getting the Champions League money. As it happens, Europa league is the best we can hope for. So you don't think giving Scottish teams better competitions to enter or more advanced qualifying stages are a good thing? Do you not think being in Europe would allow us to attract a better level of player? I would've thought the benefit from that would be clear.

 

But are, you're right, weegie pish.

 

Should Scottish clubs attempt to fail to lower the co-efficient so the league winner (probably Celtic) has to start in an even lower qualifying phase?

 

Celtic are always going to have more money and afford a better level of player than the rest of the league whether they are in Europe or not so it makes no difference to the other clubs domestically.

 

The first priority for all clubs in Scotland has to be to weaken Celtic.

 

Celtic appear determined to get stronger and stronger and sweep us all away.

 

Let's forget about co-efficients and rankings and Champions League money and all that diversionary nonsense which constantly gets spouted by the Glasgow based media.

 

The bottom line is football needs competition. In order to be competitive it requires a broadly level playing field.

 

Celtic are already miles ahead of the rest, simply from having implemented the cartel-esque SPL along with Rangers. This cemented their power to the extent that they were untouchable domestically.

 

We need this to be tackled first and foremost.

 

Only after that has been achieved should we be looking at ways of improving Scottish football overall. Something which, bear in mind, mattered not a jot to Celtic and Rangers when there was plenty money flying about.

 

So why should we return that disdain and ignorance with support for them in Europe?

 

Celtic progressing is massively detrimental to the rest of the SPL, that much is obvious.

 

The other arguments are ignoring the huge issue staring Scottish football in the face. But it's typical of the myopic and diversionary media to concentrate on them and isolate them resulting in them hoodwinking our footballing public into thinking Celtic would be doing us all a favour by winning.

 

Nothing could be further from the reality.

[gla5gowdon]

I want all Scottish clubs to do well in Europe.

 

Based on your point about every team's main objective should be to weaken Celtic, answer me this:

 

Should the other clubs lose intentionally to lower the coefficient further to make it harder for the league winner to reach the Champion's League group stage?

 

You spout off about competition and broad playing fields. Non-OF clubs simply don't get enough people through the gate to compete, that's why we need to be in a better position to get further in Europe unless we just sell every promising player we bring through. You only have to glance at our finances from our recent European run season versus any other to appreciate that it's the best way for us to make money.

 

Remember every other club signed up to the SPL constitution as well. However, I agree that his needs changed ASAP.

 

Celtic progressing doesn't make the slightest bit of difference domestically and never will until fans of other clubs actually start turning up.

 

Dismissing wishing Scottish teams in Europe well as "Weegie pish" is purely narrow minded. Raising the coefficient and the profile of the league are beneficial to everyone. Stop focussing on Celtic and look at the big picture for a change.

[Bluto10]

i'm nae keen on celtic getting any more of an advantage than they already have.

 

if things were fairer in scotland then i'd wish them all the best. but the o.f. have done their upmost to ruin competition here so afaic i hope the fail. miserably.

[tup]

Stop focussing on Celtic and look at the big picture for a change.

 

Well the same should have applied in reverse for the last 20 years, because that's where we are where we are, because of the policies of those years.

 

You say we cannot compete because of gate receipts but we could compete in the 80's with less gate receipts so that is incorrect. The gate receipts are not the reason why we've fallen so far behind. The protectionist policies of the Old Firm, implemented whilst they held all the power, are to blame.

 

Yet you're saying we should stop looking at Celtic and look at the bigger picture?

 

Well let's say we applied that argument the other way.

 

Did Celtic and Rangers stop looking at Celtic and Rangers and look at the bigger picture when they were playing CL football and our co-efficient was relatively good?

 

That's the ultimate rhetorical question. Of course they didna! They never gave us a second fucking thought and never tired of telling us how 2nd rate we were and how they wanted to leave us behind.

 

Yet now, according to you, who shares this Glasgow mindset, we should get behind them now in order to glean a small benefit for ourselves?

 

This is what is known in the north as breathtaking hypocrisy.

 

i.e. away and take your faces for a shite!

 

I fucking hate Celtic.

[Bluto10]

Well the same should have applied in reverse for the last 20 years, because that's where we are where we are, because of the policies of those years.

 

You say we cannot compete because of gate receipts but we could compete in the 80's with less gate receipts so that is incorrect. The gate receipts are not the reason why we've fallen so far behind. The protectionist policies of the Old Firm, implemented whilst they held all the power, are to blame.

 

Yet you're saying we should stop looking at Celtic and look at the bigger picture?

 

Well let's say we applied that argument the other way.

 

Did Celtic and Rangers stop looking at Celtic and Rangers and look at the bigger picture when they were playing CL football and our co-efficient was relatively good?

 

That's the ultimate rhetorical question. Of course they didna! They never gave us a second fucking thought and never tired of telling us how 2nd rate we were and how they wanted to leave us behind.

 

Yet now, according to you, who shares this Glasgow mindset, we should get behind them now in order to glean a small benefit for ourselves?

 

This is what is known in the north as breathtaking hypocrisy.

 

i.e. away and take your faces for a shite!

 

I fucking hate Celtic.

 

thats cause its a hotbed of football.

[tup]

It's certainly not a hotbed of common sense.

[Foster14]

Should the other clubs lose intentionally to lower the coefficient further to make it harder for the league winner to reach the Champion's League group stage?

 

Answer me this.

 

What was the last Scottish team to make any mark on a European competition outside of Celtic and the deid Rangers?

 

We were the last to qualify for a competition proper I think in 2007/08. Every other club has gone out in the final qualifying leg at best.

 

So seems like they are trying their damndest not to win anyways.

 

Or, more likely, is it just because they are getting beaten in to submission financially in the domestic league so that they can't compete and this translates in to Europe?

 

Absolutely nothing of note in our coefficient currently comes from European performances outside of Rangers and Celtic, so your question is not really worth discussing.

 

The more pertinent question is whether we should want Celtic to win to open up more places in Europe?

 

That is a straightforward no for 2 reasons.

 

1. We don't want Celtic extending their financial dominance over the rest of the league.

2. More places in Europe will give other competition mini-cash boosts, even though they will fail miserably.