Euthanasia

[fatjim]

You'r own granny? That's nice of you

 

Ach she was a miserable old racist anyway. It's not like she knew what was going on.

[fatjim]

I would agree with you being put to sleep.

 

I guess Bruce Springsteen would help me get to sleep.

[Ke1t]

Ach she was a miserable old racist anyway. It's not like she knew what was going on.

 

As sick as it sound, I was fair chuffed when my grandma died.

 

Fucking HATED me, she did, and any time we visited she'd give my sister comics and sweeties and just shout at me for fuck all reason.

 

Then one day our old dear comes off the phone and says, "Kid's, I've bad news. Your Nana's dead."

 

My sister breaks down crying while I did a little mental victorious punching of the air.

 

I must have been about seven or so, and that auld cunt had made my life a misery any time we were over, which was pretty much every Sunday, all Sunday.

 

Have to say Fatjim has a perfectly legitimate point. No point crying over the death of mean old bastards.

 

EDIT: As an addendum, I'd like to point out that I'm not suggesting any other poster's grannies are mean old bastards. Just that mine was. A miserable, mean old bastard.

[fatjim]

As sick as it sound, I was fair chuffed when my grandma died.

 

Fucking HATED me, she did, and any time we visited she'd give my sister comics and sweeties and just shout at me for fuck all reason.

 

Then one day our old dear comes off the phone and says, "Kid's, I've bad news. Your Nana's dead."

 

My sister breaks down crying while I did a little mental victorious punching of the air.

 

I must have been about seven or so, and that auld cunt had made my life a misery any time we were over, which was pretty much every Sunday, all Sunday.

 

Have to say Fatjim has a perfectly legitimate point. No point crying over the death of mean old bastards.

 

EDIT: As an addendum, I'd like to point out that I'm not suggesting any other poster's grannies are mean old bastards. Just that mine was. A miserable, mean old bastard.

 

She lived until she was 92 and I remember getting a phone call from my dad telling me she was dead. I was totally hungover and went back to bed. Weirdly enough when my other gran died I got a call from my mum telling me she had died. This was a year later and I was hungover and went back to bed.

 

I think when my dog died my dad called me and I was hungover. He said the dog had died. I said Hey Ho and went back to bed.

 

Fuck them all. literally.

[dave_min]

I guess Bruce Springsteen would help me get to sleep.

 

I'll happily lend you a CD to speed up the process.

 

If you'd prefer to do it 'live' though, there's pre-sale tickets for the Olympic Park gig here: http://www.livenation.co.uk/springsteen

 

No need to thank me though, your impending death is thanks enough.

[fatjim]

I'll happily lend you a CD to speed up the process.

 

If you'd prefer to do it 'live' though, there's pre-sale tickets for the Olympic Park gig here: http://www.livenation.co.uk/springsteen

 

No need to thank me though, your impending death is thanks enough.

 

 

I would rather die than see that mediocre cunt.

[Guest milne_afc]

Should be mandatory for the elderly.

[caledonia]

The options do not relate to the question in the poll?

 

But 100% for - can't think of (m)any real reasons for the against arguement.

 

Depends on who decides otherwise we will have a situation where hospitals will decide on cost rather than the patients wishes.

Or someone worth 1 million being decided to let go by greedy relatives

ie there will have to be strong rules regarding who can and who cant decide to let a life go.

[Henry]

Why don't they commit suicide?

 

I'd have no problem doing that myself

 

 

 

[tup]

As sick as it sound, I was fair chuffed when my grandma died.

 

I'm the same, I wisna fussed in the slightest when any of my grandparents died and one in particular was a pain in the arse.

 

I was just glad I didna have to give off the pretence of liking these old fossils anymore.

 

Once you hit 70 odds you're fucked anyway so I say old folk are better off dead, harsh as that may sound.

[a don in oz]

Should be mandatory for the elderly.

What, seeing Bruce Springsteen? That's a bit harsh.

 

 

 

[looksgoodinred]

and so they'll try again, i'll be surprised if the Supreme Court of Canada doesn't overrule the BC provincial court decision again though.

 

surprisingly (to me, anyway), Canada lags behind the US in allowing this, though their ability to do this is much more narrowly defined than the Quebec legislation or the BC one would be (assisted-suicide laws in the U.S. allows the practice only for those who are critically ill and have six months or less to live, and the rules require the patient to administer the medication themselves).

 

 

OTTAWA – Canada’s top court will today confront an elemental – some would say intractable – question: whether Canadians have the right to seek help to end their own lives. The Supreme Court is convening this morning to hear a new challenge to Canada’s existing and long-standing ban on physician-assisted suicide.

 

The court last considered the issue in 1993 when it ruled that where assisted death is concerned, certain rights enshrined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms are trumped by the principles of fundamental justice. Twenty years later, right-to-die advocates say the legal and moral landscape in Canada has changed, and the laws need to change with it.

“The federal government has no place at the bedside of dying Canadians,” said Grace Pastine, the litigation director of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, on behalf of several B.C. families. The organization launched what’s become known as the ‘right to die with dignity’ lawsuit in 2011 after B.C.’s Gloria Taylor set about ending her life following a diagnosis of Lou Gehrig’s disease.

In June 2012, the B.C. Supreme Court agreed that existing laws did deny Taylor the right to control her own life, and gave the court a year to write new ones. At the same time, they gave her an exemption so she could get help ending her own life. Taylor died before that could happen and the case was appealed to the Supreme Court.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1614932/supreme-court-of-canada-confronts-right-to-die-question/

Quebec provincially enacted legislation allowing doctor-assisted suicide earlier this year. because of the way Quebec has regulated this, they deem it be "extension of health care services" (which are provincially regulated) rather than assisted suicide or euthanasia. an interesting take on things. the law takes effect at the end of 2015.

The legislation outlines the conditions in which a terminally ill adult patient who is of sound mind may request continuous palliative sedation that would lead to death. Patients would need to have an incurable illness and be in “an advanced state of irreversible decline in capacities.” They would also have to be in constant and unbearable physical and psychological pain that doctors would view as impossible to relieve through medication.

The procedure for making the request would be supervised by the attending physician and approved though consultation with the hospital’s medical team. And, finally, a patient could at any time withdraw a signed request for medical aid in dying.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/quebec-first-province-to-adopt-right-to-die-legislation/article19009781/

[daytripping]

Bizarre that many places including here doesn't allow this, no one thinks twice about putting a dog down when it's nearing the end of its life and is in pain, why we won't let the likes of terminal cancer sufferers slip away with dignity is beyond me. We'll pump them full of morphine in the hope it dulls the pain while the victim prays for the end, horrible way to treat a human being.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

I am against Euthansia.

 

We should not fear illness, suffering or death, it is a part of life, one which must come to us all. For all the talk of dignity in this debate, I think the very stark fear of old age / illness / suffering is very undignified.

 

Looking after our seniors when they become infirm is our responsibility, just as they looked after us when we were infants.

 

The cases used to promote euthanasia - like abortion - are always very extreme, unusual cases. The majority of people pop their clogs in a relatively quick fashion, often completely by surprise.

 

If someone actually wants to die, then very obviously they are mentally ill. We should seek to care for them and help them discover the worth in their life, not bump them off.

 

At the end of the day, if someone really did want to die - there is nothing stopping them killing themselves. Again, the cases of "locked in syndrome" etc - who cant do anything for themselves - are wholly untypical.

 

I am glad Margo McDonald MSP is dead, because she was so scared of what *might* have happened with her illness and so was prepared to (further) undermine the sanctity of life in this country, purely on grounds of her own self-interest and cowardice. Hence, she pushed and pushed the idea in Holyrood - despite no widespread public support. I was going to write to her and suggest a bottle of Tesco Value Whiskey and large tub of Paracetamol.

 

She could have killed herself anytime she wanted, but.....she wanted the state to say that this was "alright", that this was justifiable and even noble. But its none of these things - its cheap and its tawdry - and she knew it, which is why she continually fought for state sanction.

 

The idea that euthanasia could be controlled by strict laws etc is laughable. Look at abortion. It was supposed to be introduced in very limited and strictly controlled cases only. But now we have de-facto abortion on demand and today the vast majority are carried out purely because women do not want to take responsibility for the natural consequences of their own actions.

 

It is inevitable that the laws would quickly pose a threat to the elderly and disabled. Look at that twat Dawkins, recently saying that its "immoral" not to abort down syndrome children. For all his intellect, he is utterly inhumane and pretty thick. How do sentiments like that make people with downs syndrome feel? They are no less human. But its clear people like Dawkins do view them as subhuman and would prefer a mass cull of them, than having to treat them as equals, with love and respect, and tailoring our society to account for their additional needs.

 

Where would it stop?

 

Too many people on benefits? Kill all people who are economically inactive - its for their own good, as living in poverty is undignified and they have no quality of life.

 

Pension bill getting too big for the states liking? Kill 1 in 3 pensioners, that will make it more affordable - they have had their life anwyay, they cant complain, its selfish if they dont agree.

 

NHS waiting lists getting too long? Kill half of them. That will stop them spreading their disease and its selfish of them to use up our resources by expecting to be helped.

 

Someone with a disability or special needs requires a bit of extra help to make their way through life? To the gas chambers with them, what do they think this is? A caring, civilised society?

 

This is exactly how it would turn out - just look at the disgrace of abortion.

 

To say nothing of scheming people who would harrass their parents / relations into an early grave, because they fancy getting their hands on a few hundred grand inheritance, from a house sale / savings etc.

 

And the politicians know all this, which is exactly why it hasnt ever got much traction in parliament (yet).

 

Life is beautiful and precious. We should value every day and fight for every breath. Life is too short as it is, without us coming under pressure to make it even shorter.

 

Even if I was aged and bed ridden, I could still appreciate a sunset, or bird song, or the smell of cooking bacon, or a glass of cognac or a puff of a joint. These few things alone would make living very worthwhile.

 

So, to hell with this "cult of death" which has infested our society. Lets get back to appreciating life and all its content - meaning the tough times, as well as the good. After all, we cant properly appreciate good health, if we dont understand or experience illness.

 

My father in law is currently dying of lung cancer. He is only in his 60s and was never a smoker, always a very clean living man - rarely took a drink even. Just damned back luck. Most likely he wont see Christmas. But he still managed to get out the hospice for half an hour to see his daughters (and my) new house and tell her he was proud of her. And in a few days he will get to be part of his grandsons (not ours) first birthday party. He was still able to listen to the Scotland game on the Hospice radio. This is despite his being just skin and bone, very anxious, very weak. He needs a lot of care and can do little for himself anymore. But he is surrounded with love and even in this grave condition, his life is still worth living, as my examples show.

 

Life is instrinsically good.

 

[zebradentist]

The Belgians are well into it

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/10346616/Belgian-killed-by-euthanasia-after-a-botched-sex-change-operation.html

[looksgoodinred]

i'm very sorry to hear about your father-in-law's illness, CS. x

 

life is intrinsically good, you're quite right about that. and i think nowhere in my post did i suggest for one second that anyone other than the person him/herself be allowed to take this decision for themselves.

 

and i agree wholeheartedly that families should help their aging family members to be as comfortable and productive as possible. involve them in life. care for them and love them. and i've done this for family members.

 

but i don't believe people unable to do something about it themselves is that atypical at all.

 

and i think what people (i've known and have spoken to about it) have feared most about taking their own lives, would be botching it and making what they already considered to be an incredibly painful or untenable existence, even more so.

 

so the idea of a properly administered fatal overdose is not unappealing in that respect. if death were always quick and fairly painless, as you paint the picture, i think a lot of people would accept it. but it's quite often not. so the idea of falling into a sedated sleep, just never to wake, doesn't seem such a horrible way to end.

 

you say someone who wishes to die must be mentally unstable. but i don't think that's the case necessarily. i think some people have different views about how they wish to live. and being unable to move, or communicate, or left completely alone, or in agonizing pain isn't how they want it.

 

i don't know if it would be my choice. i'm not there. and hope never to be. but i won't deny someone else that relief, if they're making the choice for themselves.

[daytripping]

CS,

 

It's nothing like abortion, it's about putting the choice in the hands of any right thinking human being. Would you want to live if you were near death and in constant pain or paralysed from the neck down? I'm not sure I would, stripped of all dignity just waiting to meet your maker.

 

I'm not sure if you have a dog would you let it suffer if you knew it was in pain and not going to recover? It's the same for humans.

 

I'm sorry to hear about your grandpa and hope his final days are pain free and as easy as they can be in the circumstances.

[Scrumpy]

I am against Euthansia.

 

We should not fear illness, suffering or death, it is a part of life, one which must come to us all. For all the talk of dignity in this debate, I think the very stark fear of old age / illness / suffering is very undignified.

 

Looking after our seniors when they become infirm is our responsibility, just as they looked after us when we were infants.

 

The cases used to promote euthanasia - like abortion - are always very extreme, unusual cases. The majority of people pop their clogs in a relatively quick fashion, often completely by surprise.

 

If someone actually wants to die, then very obviously they are mentally ill. We should seek to care for them and help them discover the worth in their life, not bump them off.

 

At the end of the day, if someone really did want to die - there is nothing stopping them killing themselves. Again, the cases of "locked in syndrome" etc - who cant do anything for themselves - are wholly untypical.

 

I am glad Margo McDonald MSP is dead, because she was so scared of what *might* have happened with her illness and so was prepared to (further) undermine the sanctity of life in this country, purely on grounds of her own self-interest and cowardice. Hence, she pushed and pushed the idea in Holyrood - despite no widespread public support. I was going to write to her and suggest a bottle of Tesco Value Whiskey and large tub of Paracetamol.

 

She could have killed herself anytime she wanted, but.....she wanted the state to say that this was "alright", that this was justifiable and even noble. But its none of these things - its cheap and its tawdry - and she knew it, which is why she continually fought for state sanction.

 

The idea that euthanasia could be controlled by strict laws etc is laughable. Look at abortion. It was supposed to be introduced in very limited and strictly controlled cases only. But now we have de-facto abortion on demand and today the vast majority are carried out purely because women do not want to take responsibility for the natural consequences of their own actions.

 

It is inevitable that the laws would quickly pose a threat to the elderly and disabled. Look at that twat Dawkins, recently saying that its "immoral" not to abort down syndrome children. For all his intellect, he is utterly inhumane and pretty thick. How do sentiments like that make people with downs syndrome feel? They are no less human. But its clear people like Dawkins do view them as subhuman and would prefer a mass cull of them, than having to treat them as equals, with love and respect, and tailoring our society to account for their additional needs.

 

Where would it stop?

 

Too many people on benefits? Kill all people who are economically inactive - its for their own good, as living in poverty is undignified and they have no quality of life.

 

Pension bill getting too big for the states liking? Kill 1 in 3 pensioners, that will make it more affordable - they have had their life anwyay, they cant complain, its selfish if they dont agree.

 

NHS waiting lists getting too long? Kill half of them. That will stop them spreading their disease and its selfish of them to use up our resources by expecting to be helped.

 

Someone with a disability or special needs requires a bit of extra help to make their way through life? To the gas chambers with them, what do they think this is? A caring, civilised society?

 

This is exactly how it would turn out - just look at the disgrace of abortion.

 

To say nothing of scheming people who would harrass their parents / relations into an early grave, because they fancy getting their hands on a few hundred grand inheritance, from a house sale / savings etc.

 

And the politicians know all this, which is exactly why it hasnt ever got much traction in parliament (yet).

 

Life is beautiful and precious. We should value every day and fight for every breath. Life is too short as it is, without us coming under pressure to make it even shorter.

 

Even if I was aged and bed ridden, I could still appreciate a sunset, or bird song, or the smell of cooking bacon, or a glass of cognac or a puff of a joint. These few things alone would make living very worthwhile.

 

So, to hell with this "cult of death" which has infested our society. Lets get back to appreciating life and all its content - meaning the tough times, as well as the good. After all, we cant properly appreciate good health, if we dont understand or experience illness.

 

My father in law is currently dying of lung cancer. He is only in his 60s and was never a smoker, always a very clean living man - rarely took a drink even. Just damned back luck. Most likely he wont see Christmas. But he still managed to get out the hospice for half an hour to see his daughters (and my) new house and tell her he was proud of her. And in a few days he will get to be part of his grandsons (not ours) first birthday party. He was still able to listen to the Scotland game on the Hospice radio. This is despite his being just skin and bone, very anxious, very weak. He needs a lot of care and can do little for himself anymore. But he is surrounded with love and even in this grave condition, his life is still worth living, as my examples show.

 

Life is instrinsically good.

 

 

Couldn't agree more

[Bluto10]

I am against Euthansia.

 

We should not fear illness, suffering or death, it is a part of life, one which must come to us all. For all the talk of dignity in this debate, I think the very stark fear of old age / illness / suffering is very undignified.

 

Looking after our seniors when they become infirm is our responsibility, just as they looked after us when we were infants.

 

The cases used to promote euthanasia - like abortion - are always very extreme, unusual cases. The majority of people pop their clogs in a relatively quick fashion, often completely by surprise.

 

If someone actually wants to die, then very obviously they are mentally ill. We should seek to care for them and help them discover the worth in their life, not bump them off.

 

At the end of the day, if someone really did want to die - there is nothing stopping them killing themselves. Again, the cases of "locked in syndrome" etc - who cant do anything for themselves - are wholly untypical.

 

I am glad Margo McDonald MSP is dead, because she was so scared of what *might* have happened with her illness and so was prepared to (further) undermine the sanctity of life in this country, purely on grounds of her own self-interest and cowardice. Hence, she pushed and pushed the idea in Holyrood - despite no widespread public support. I was going to write to her and suggest a bottle of Tesco Value Whiskey and large tub of Paracetamol.

 

She could have killed herself anytime she wanted, but.....she wanted the state to say that this was "alright", that this was justifiable and even noble. But its none of these things - its cheap and its tawdry - and she knew it, which is why she continually fought for state sanction.

 

The idea that euthanasia could be controlled by strict laws etc is laughable. Look at abortion. It was supposed to be introduced in very limited and strictly controlled cases only. But now we have de-facto abortion on demand and today the vast majority are carried out purely because women do not want to take responsibility for the natural consequences of their own actions.

 

It is inevitable that the laws would quickly pose a threat to the elderly and disabled. Look at that twat Dawkins, recently saying that its "immoral" not to abort down syndrome children. For all his intellect, he is utterly inhumane and pretty thick. How do sentiments like that make people with downs syndrome feel? They are no less human. But its clear people like Dawkins do view them as subhuman and would prefer a mass cull of them, than having to treat them as equals, with love and respect, and tailoring our society to account for their additional needs.

 

Where would it stop?

 

Too many people on benefits? Kill all people who are economically inactive - its for their own good, as living in poverty is undignified and they have no quality of life.

 

Pension bill getting too big for the states liking? Kill 1 in 3 pensioners, that will make it more affordable - they have had their life anwyay, they cant complain, its selfish if they dont agree.

 

NHS waiting lists getting too long? Kill half of them. That will stop them spreading their disease and its selfish of them to use up our resources by expecting to be helped.

 

Someone with a disability or special needs requires a bit of extra help to make their way through life? To the gas chambers with them, what do they think this is? A caring, civilised society?

 

This is exactly how it would turn out - just look at the disgrace of abortion.

 

To say nothing of scheming people who would harrass their parents / relations into an early grave, because they fancy getting their hands on a few hundred grand inheritance, from a house sale / savings etc.

 

And the politicians know all this, which is exactly why it hasnt ever got much traction in parliament (yet).

 

Life is beautiful and precious. We should value every day and fight for every breath. Life is too short as it is, without us coming under pressure to make it even shorter.

 

Even if I was aged and bed ridden, I could still appreciate a sunset, or bird song, or the smell of cooking bacon, or a glass of cognac or a puff of a joint. These few things alone would make living very worthwhile.

 

So, to hell with this "cult of death" which has infested our society. Lets get back to appreciating life and all its content - meaning the tough times, as well as the good. After all, we cant properly appreciate good health, if we dont understand or experience illness.

 

My father in law is currently dying of lung cancer. He is only in his 60s and was never a smoker, always a very clean living man - rarely took a drink even. Just damned back luck. Most likely he wont see Christmas. But he still managed to get out the hospice for half an hour to see his daughters (and my) new house and tell her he was proud of her. And in a few days he will get to be part of his grandsons (not ours) first birthday party. He was still able to listen to the Scotland game on the Hospice radio. This is despite his being just skin and bone, very anxious, very weak. He needs a lot of care and can do little for himself anymore. But he is surrounded with love and even in this grave condition, his life is still worth living, as my examples show.

 

Life is instrinsically good.

 

Summarised by " I am catholic"

[Poodler]

I only read the first few lines before bailing out C_S, do you realise there are many brain dead people throughout care homes in the uk. The amount of patients we get in min that have had strokes like 5 years ago, fed through a PEG tube, pressure sores all over their arse, wrapped in nappies, some cases can never mobilised to shower so they absolutely hum. It's no life mate. It's a human body, a huge drain on resources but I do understand the ethics of having someone else play god to the body and calling it a day. But Christ min why prolong the suffering. It's shite

[rumpus]

I only read the first few lines before bailing out C_S, do you realise there are many brain dead people throughout care homes in the uk. The amount of patients we get in min that have had strokes like 5 years ago, fed through a PEG tube, pressure sores all over their arse, wrapped in nappies, some cases can never mobilised to shower so they absolutely hum. It's no life mate. It's a human body, a huge drain on resources but I do understand the ethics of having someone else play god to the body and calling it a day. But Christ min why prolong the suffering. It's shite

 

Do you shower the ones that can be mobilised?

 

Lingering just a little bit longer than necessary with your sponge on their penis to see if the Mongol will get an erection?

[Bobby Connor]

I respect the opinion of your church CS but I have to disagree. Fair enough, that is your view and the view of an antiquated institution but is it really remotely relevant today? I suspect it isn't and is nothing like representative of actual normal people. People who are younger than you or Me. Even at you age your opinions are out-of-date. You cannot resist the future and the future does not include mad religions be they Catholic or anything more or less bonkers.

[Ohjimmyjimmy]

Do you shower the ones that can be mobilised?

 

Lingering just a little bit longer than necessary with your sponge on their penis to see if the Mongol will get an erection?

They're not wearing red Halliburton coveralls you fucking stroker.

[dervish]

Very sorry to hear about your father in law CS, at least he's getting to be part of certain important things. Also as is often the case though I disagree what you've said is similar to the internal doubt I have.

 

Anyways to actively end someone's life you need to be certain. In the situation where they can't respond it's almost impossible to be. When they can it's hard to know they really mean it for the best reasons.

 

All that being said as someone who has had a direct family member placed on the Liverpool Care Pathway I can't think of a worse way to go. It seems a cop out for those that don't have to go through it. Dying starving, dehydrated, doped up, not being able to do the most basic things but fully alert when the pain kicks in hard enough.

[BrianFaePerth]

C_S makes some fair points, but allowing euthanasia would at least give his family the choice. If they choose no, then so be it. Individual circumstances vary and yet there is only one option today, ie. suffer.

[fine-n-dandy]

I voted yes but the way the question is worded. I could actually answer using all three answers & still you would not really be much clearer on view.

[tommo1903]

C_S, sorry to hear about your Father in Law. He clearly is able to still enjoy things so Euthanasia of him would be murder.

 

However, what you are essentially saying is that people who want to die are cowards.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Thanks, everyone, for the kind words about my father in law I probably shouldn't have mentioned that, but hey ho.

 

They have got him jacked up on all manner of opiates etc, so his pain is under control, but obviously with knock on effects for his stamina etc - often very tired / drowsy as a result. Sometimes when you visit he just dozes away.

 

But you should see him perk up when his grandson arrives, and if you catch him at a good time, he will still talk about the football*

 

(*he is Clydebank fan and so Ive had bloody good value out of our 4-3 cup win in 1992. Ironically, the hospice is just round the corner from Holme Park, where Clydebank play these days - its Yokers ground and they share it. Its a dump, but an endearing dump; I went to a game with him once, just after he was diagnosed. They get a decent crowd still).

 

My apologies for a typically verbose / robust post from myself earlier. I understand why the concept is appealling in some circumstances, but I fear it would be a slippery slope.

 

We dont want to get into a situation where wee old men and women are frightened to go to the doctor with the flu, for fear that some hot-shot "medic" will decide that they are in fact a waste of oxygen and should be put down.

 

"Its hell being old" as my late grandad would say, but there is still a lot of joy and laughter to be had - even if there are harder times too.

 

The idea that a life is "not worth living" or that some people are "sub human" - these are the ideas our forebearers fought to defeat in the mid-20th century.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

C_S, sorry to hear about your Father in Law.

Thanks mate.

However, what you are essentially saying is that people who want to die are cowards.

I thought Annabel Goldie was a coward, as she was in decent health - still working as MSP etc - and was prepared to undermine everyone purely because she was scared of what might have happened to her. In the end, it didnt happen to her.

 

Being ill, or dying a drawn out death, is scary for sure so I dont mean to criticise people.

 

But if people are of a frame of mind that they want to die - that isnt a normally functioning brain, clearly they are deeply depressed, or so scared they want to end it.

 

All I am saying is, society should look to care for these people and to help them discover what is good and worthwhile in their life - we shouldnt be rushing them off to the glue-factory.

 

It is often in the most difficult situations in life, where we truly discover our humanity.

[tommo1903]

That's your opinion and its fair enough. I would struggle to argue against any of that^ post, as those are your beliefs.

 

However, I don't agree with its introduction being a slippery slope as you said in your first post. We're talking about people getting the right to die, not the right to kill others.