Depression In Football - Ryan O'leary Speaks Out

[King Street Loon]

Ryan O'Leary has came out and admitted depression.

 

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/5005506/Dressing-rooms-turned-into-the-loneliest-places-in-the-world-for-me.html

 

Seems he's been battling it for a while and Tangoman Jimmy C wasn't to sympathetic to his problems.

 

Probably a bit like the shirt lifter scenario, players are too afraid to admit these problems and keep things bottled up.

[diamondsr4ever]

big taboo.....is it?

[Kilkito]

I shared a table with him at a sportsmans dinner about a month before JC got the sack, he was brand new, very shy, and not drinking, slated JC, said he had nothing to do with the youngsters, and also said that he couldn't believe that Foster got a game for us, but he knew the right people!!!!!

[King Street Loon]

I dunno.

Is it?

[Karl Fletcher]

And some people wonder why old school Managers like Jimmy are getting frozen out.

[fifered]

Calderwood a prick, what a shock.

[Dynamo]

Was a programme on BBC2(?) last night about depression in football. never watched it but it'll be on the iPlayer.

[Huntlysheep]

Calderwood by the sounds of it was a bit of a bully when the boy needed help the most what an absolute horrible cunt.

[diamondsr4ever]

Depression in football isn't a story. It won't be any higher or lower an incidence than the rest of the population. I don't believe that depression is a chemical imbalance. I know that they can produce relief with a chemical injection e.g. prozac etc. but the depressed don't have any unique medical condition, they're just weaker human beings, mentally unstrong.

 

is that your expert opinion

[robbojunior]

Depression in football isn't a story. It won't be any higher or lower an incidence than the rest of the population. I don't believe that depression is a chemical imbalance. I know that they can produce relief with a chemical injection e.g. prozac etc. but the depressed don't have any unique medical condition, they're just weaker human beings, mentally unstrong.

 

Very tricky subject but essentially I agree. IMO All human behaviour is learned. Including negative feelings / and ultimately depression. Techincally it IS a chemical imbalance, but the imbalance, IMO is produced by learned behaviour. And how do you go about changing that behaviour when oftentimes it has been learned over many many years.

 

The cure to depression if you ask me, is better parenting, teaching and support. Cockwanks like Tangoman are the cause of depression and should be outed for the utter cunts they are.

 

EDIT - i should qualify my agreement with you by saying they are mentally weaker human beings as a consequence of their upbringing and life experiences, rather than genetically created that way. And by definition, that means they obviously have the potential to become mentally stronger human beings.

[diamondsr4ever]

Lol. True. It wasn't just his attitude. Calderfuck was thick, he was slow, he was vindictive, he was jealous, he was vain, he was totally inept at his job both tactically and man-management wise and yet incredibly, was given employment within the game until he eventually got found out. It says more about his employers and the industry that he ever got payment in the first place. Horrible, horrible human being.

 

Which probably explains MT's love of the man...funny that!

[Sonoftherock]

And some people wonder why old school Managers like Jimmy are getting frozen out.

 

Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

 

In football circles, I'd be surprised if Jimmy Calderwoods name isn't mud. It's no coincidence that he can't get a job. Everyone knows he's an absolute cretin of the highest order. A complete oxygen thief.

[Sonoftherock]

EDIT - i should qualify my agreement with you by saying they are mentally weaker human beings as a consequence of their upbringing and life experiences, rather than genetically created that way. And by definition, that means they obviously have the potential to become mentally stronger human beings.

 

Don't know if it's as simplistic as that. I know two brothers, who grew up with the same upbringing and essentially the same life experiences - one is blissfully happy (at least on the outside) and the other has recently been battling depression.

 

I have very little understanding of depression, but I'd say it's lot more complicated than your explanation.

[Tommy]

But why was Jimmy sacked ?

[Stoney]

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

[Karl Fletcher]

But why was Jimmy sacked ?

 

He's still waiting for an explanation IMO.

[Ingolfsson]

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

 

Expectation levels

[diamondsr4ever]

No, just an opinion but knowingly designed to stimulate debate and cause friction.

 

It is expected that we somehow accept our surgeries being full of mentally ill people and the government spending inordinate amount of money on depression.

 

Managers in position of responsibility abusing staff is a sicker manifestation of mental health issues. How we treat the weaker is a society issue but surely always with humanity. Classifying the depressed as such and giving them chemicals is to stigmatise and label them and to fuck them up by playing with their heads with interventions that haven't been fully tested.

 

The depressed are weak minded. Giving them a label and a drug gives them an excuse not to get strong. If they can't handle life, no amount of labelling and chemical interventions is going to cure them.

 

Interesting debate RS, depression can also be triggered in people due to circumstance, death, illness etc, however I've seen some people grow stronger when they have met adversity, though the same people suffered depression also, or so-called depression, maybe it was just pain, anguish they were feeling. The brain is a weird and wonderful tool, though I believe it can be trained for the better, and pills are a waste o fukkin time, I know of many that pop happy pills for fun

[robbojunior]

Don't know if it's as simplistic as that. I know two brothers, who grew up with the same upbringing and essentially the same life experiences - one is blissfully happy (at least on the outside) and the other has recently been battling depression.

 

I have very little understanding of depression, but I'd say it's lot more complicated than your explanation.

 

Of course its not that simple, and there is a world of research on the subject none of which has found consensus, but they clearly had different life experiences, because they are different people. Even if the differences are only minor.

However I would not be surprised if the reaction to the depressed brother saying he was down / depressed, is telling. As rocket alluded to, society's reaction to depression is self perpetuating in my opinion.

[Karl Fletcher]

Good point KF. If Jimmy doesn't know, because our rather rude club were unable to enlighten him, what chance have the rest of us in ever learning why the fat useless cunt got binned?

 

You would've thought Stewarty and Willie would've mentioned the reason while they were dishing out his P.45.

 

Maybe it was done over text and our head honchos kept it breif.

 

You've only got so many characters on a text as well before it costs yi double, mind.

[diamondsr4ever]

I've just been at my father-in-laws funeral. It's a weird thing, the mind indeed. I'd never been to that kirk, the one between HMT and Central Library but the very nature of the building itself, let alone the occasion has power over the spirit and can reduce even a rocket to tears.

 

Adversity is the key trigger in my opinion. Some can't handle it and feel woe-is-me and fold like a deck of cards. Others with fight in their soul will bounce back. It is easier to fight back when you have the capacity to love, however dormant it may have been when facing adversity. The depressed never loved themselves enough let alone others and therein lies the root of everything folks. Love. And ayahuasca.

 

 

Interesting! , I passed the very Kirk last week and asked the current Mrs and Teenage Daughter if this place was still open! Ive never asked that before, even though Ive seen it many a time....and here's us spikin aboot it...

[diamondsr4ever]

You would've thought Stewarty and Willie would've mentioned the reason while they were dishing out his P.45.

 

Maybe it was done over text and our head honchos kept it breif.

 

You've only got so many characters on a text as well before it costs yi double, mind.

 

sacked. 400k enough? cheers Wullie

[fine-n-dandy]

Try support Aberdeen over the last couple of decades ya fuckers.

Then you'll see what depression in football is all about.

[tup]

Depressed folk do my nut in, can't be arsed listening to their negative pish.

[ericblack4boss]

i' will admit to have suffered from depression myself on two occassions, both times i seeked help the first occassion i knew i had a problem when i was taking a bottle of whisky to bed , thankfully i got support and managed to sort it out .

it is an illness ,a mental illness and unfortunately because no one can physically see a scar, or and symptoms it is difficult for them to understand.

 

i likened it to a race, the depression was ahead of me and i made it my aim to catch up and get in front of it, it took a while but once i had caught it and got in front in then had to keep ahead of it, ok not a very scientific way to explain it but thats the way i found most effective.

 

As for the OAF, weel whaat would you expect from someone as bigotted, ignorant, arrogant, ill educated , and thick as shit.no surprise i just hope that the lads statement last night has well and truelly hammered the nail in the oafs maagerial career.

[Dal Riata Don]

Very tricky subject but essentially I agree. #1.IMO All human behaviour is learned. Including negative feelings / and ultimately depression. Techincally it IS a chemical imbalance, but #2. the imbalance, IMO is produced by learned behaviour. And how do you go about changing that behaviour when oftentimes it has been learned over many many years.

 

#4.The cure to depression if you ask me, is better parenting, teaching and support.

 

EDIT - i should qualify my agreement with you by saying #3.they are mentally weaker human beings as a consequence of their upbringing and life experiences, rather than genetically created that way. And by definition, that means they obviously have the potential to become mentally stronger human beings.

#1:As I see it, you are contradicting yourself somewhat here. Behavior cannot alter your physicality. You are therefore you think, this was Descartes error.

 

#2.I don't feel that all human behavior is learned - this implies a notion of tablua rasa or clean slate which suggests that all new born children are essentially all the same. This was the main tenet of Behaviorism, in psychological vogue until the late 1950's but which the advent of DNA has disproved in genetic terms and which Chomsky disproved (as far as language learning is concerned) as part of an innatist viewpoint.

 

#3. I rather prefer the term 'mentally more susceptible to negative environments' rather than mentally weaker as many people will be pretty well rounded despite negative experiences, upbringings etc.

 

#4. I agree but it should be based on how to get through depression, how to seek help and how to live with yourself. Preventative measures may be largely useless.

[ericblack4boss]

the funny thing with depression and i know that a fellow sufferer felt this way too was that it was nothing in particular, but every little thing that set it off. i know that sound s contradicting but that was what it was, there was no real moment when it hit me it was just everylittle thing , work, personal life, money, family everything just building up.

Some days i would wake up and feel not too bad other days i awoke and just wanted to stay under the duvet all day, , on those days i just said to myself

"right, just write off today and lets hope tomorrow is a good day."

 

the first time i was scared to take medication , on the second occassion i did take and it helped me to get better quicker.

 

i have no shame admitting i suffered from it , thats what it wanted , me to be ashamed of it embaressed by it , but if i did that then it was winning and i was'nt prepared to do that.

 

i went out with a woman who suffered with it too after me and she said that havingh me there with my expreience` of it helped her battle it too.

 

i know it could strike me again at any moment and i wont know what set it off but if i does strike again i am a stronger person with far more support around me to battle it i won't allow it to win

[ericblack4boss]

it nearly returned when Eric was overlooked for manager job this time!

[tup]

ericblacknot4boss #topmasel

[robbojunior]

#1:As I see it, you are contradicting yourself somewhat here. Behavior cannot alter your physicality. You are therefore you think, this was Descartes error.

 

#2.I don't feel that all human behavior is learned - this implies a notion of tablua rasa or clean slate which suggests that all new born children are essentially all the same. This was the main tenet of Behaviorism, in psychological vogue until the late 1950's but which the advent of DNA has disproved in genetic terms and which Chomsky disproved (as far as language learning is concerned) as part of an innatist viewpoint.

 

#3. I rather prefer the term 'mentally more susceptible to negative environments' rather than mentally weaker as many people will be pretty well rounded despite negative experiences, upbringings etc.

 

#4. I agree but it should be based on how to get through depression, how to seek help and how to live with yourself. Preventative measures may be largely useless.

 

1 - Behaviour can't alter you physically? Yes it can.

2 - Obviously there are genetic differences between all humans, therefore some people are taller, some uglier, some more susceptible to illness etc, but yes I believe all behaviour is learned. ie how we behave, how we reason, how we view ourselves, how we treat others, how we think, how we develop our skills.

3 - Fair enough, the terminology may be questionable, but personally i do think 'weaker' is a better term because they 'were more susceptible' but they have 'become weaker' as a result.

4 - Also fair point - the choice of the word 'cure' was wrong, prevention would be a better word in the context of my statement.