Ian Brines

[Dandyesque]

Would I be right in thinking that the last time we looked like we might put a wee bit of pressure on one of the Ugly Sisters at the top of the table, we were subject to an abysmal decision by Brines?

 

I seem to remember Zander Diamond growing a third hand in the middle of his chest...

 

Worst referee in Scotland or is there worse?

[K-9]

Usuallt think Brines one of the better refs in Scotland and tends to keep cards in his pocket but by fuck he was abismal on Saturday for both sides.

[Foster14]

As I said in the JIT, I feel that when you've had Brines as a referee, you usually know about it. Someone who seems to want to make sure he is noticed.

[Dynamo]

Couldn't wait to be certain of attention on Saturday. He is a copper I suppose, he must crave a bit of power.

 

Ironic thing is there was a thread last week on Jambos Kickback about him and how he is usually terrible when he refs them.

 

He's just shit.

[fine-n-dandy]

For me the biggest fuck up Brines had was in denying us the pen (& certain red card) for the goal line hand ball.

 

Rules are if the ball strikes the hand & the hand is out with the profile of the body & denies the passage of the ball then it's a foul.

It denies us a clear goal & he should have been red carded. Brines new this & this is why he gave us the "other" penalty.

 

We'd have been two up then & clear & against 10 men.

 

Hammil should have been off also (a couple of times) & the guy was a cunt in trying to make sure Robson got his booking also.

 

 

Brines is by far the worst referee in Scotland & that is saying something. I used to think Gollum was bad but Brines is truly shocking.

[fine-n-dandy]

Couldn't wait to be certain of attention on Saturday. He is a copper I suppose, he must crave a bit of power.

 

Ironic thing is there was a thread last week on Jambos Kickback about him and how he is usually terrible when he refs them.

 

He's just shit.

Could be a good reason why he was so shocking in their favour on Saturday then.

[oilcat]

Attention seeking buffoon of the highest order....Did he nae lose the plot a few years back when we beat Hearts 1-0 at Pittodrie I seem to remember he sent aff one Hearts player after the final whistle and denied us another stonewall penalty

[swifty]

Nae doubt he'll be oor ref in the semi final.

[fine-n-dandy]

Nae doubt he'll be oor ref in the semi final.

If he is, I'm nae going.

[Bamber]

For me the biggest fuck up Brines had was in denying us the pen (& certain red card) for the goal line hand ball.

 

Rules are if the ball strikes the hand & the hand is out with the profile of the body & denies the passage of the ball then it's a foul.

It denies us a clear goal & he should have been red carded. Brines new this & this is why he gave us the "other" penalty.

 

We'd have been two up then & clear & against 10 men.

 

Hammil should have been off also (a couple of times) & the guy was a cunt in trying to make sure Robson got his booking also.

 

 

Brines is by far the worst referee in Scotland & that is saying something. I used to think Gollum was bad but Brines is truly shocking.

 

 

Biggest to me was not the pen he missed but the pen he gave

 

The pen he gave was in response to the reaction of both the players and the crowd to the one he missed, he realised at that point that he had probably made an error and tried to correct that by giving a soft (ie non existant) penalty. He reacted to the crowd and in doing so showed how he could be influenced by the crowd. A ref shouldn't be influenced

 

There was a game refereed Mike McCurry (hibs Oct 2008) when Mulgrew was sent off for a handball on the line, however it shouldn't have been as the shot was actually offside as there was only one player between fletcher for hibs and the goal line.

 

We appealed and the SFA said the following

 

An SFA statement read: "The player had been sent off for denying the opposing team or an opponent a goal or obvious goal-scoring opportunity as defined by Law 12.

 

Having viewed the video evidence, the referee acknowledged that it clearly shows player Steven Fletcher was in an offside position when he struck the ball.

 

"However, given the circumstances (i.e. the offside decision having not been given), the referee had to conclude that the player was correctly sent off."

 

So the SFA are saying once an event has happened the referee should not be influenced in further decision making. Brines clearly was.

 

Its a similar situation you see when a ref blows for a "foul" when he realises he has given a corner when he shouldn't have. it does matter.

 

Brines gave a pen when he realised he had arsed up. A sign he is not a strong referee and is influenced by outside actions

 

 

It will be interesting to see what games he is given over the xmas period - the pity is he hasn't been taken to task by the media or the club - people have pussy footed around to try and not say it. Hopefully the match supervisor has noted it. Until we can criticise poor performances we aint going to improve refereeing standards

[caledonia]

Worst in europe by a mile and its little wonder Scottish football is so corrupt with clowns like that getting away with murder....

[fine-n-dandy]

 

 

Biggest to me was not the pen he missed but the pen he gave

 

The pen he gave was in response to the reaction of both the players and the crowd to the one he missed, he realised at that point that he had probably made an error and tried to correct that by giving a soft (ie non existant) penalty. He reacted to the crowd and in doing so showed how he could be influenced by the crowd. A ref shouldn't be influenced

 

There was a game refereed Mike McCurry (hibs Oct 2008) when Mulgrew was sent off for a handball on the line, however it shouldn't have been as the shot was actually offside as there was only one player between fletcher for hibs and the goal line.

 

We appealed and the SFA said the following

 

An SFA statement read: "The player had been sent off for denying the opposing team or an opponent a goal or obvious goal-scoring opportunity as defined by Law 12.

 

Having viewed the video evidence, the referee acknowledged that it clearly shows player Steven Fletcher was in an offside position when he struck the ball.

 

"However, given the circumstances (i.e. the offside decision having not been given), the referee had to conclude that the player was correctly sent off."

 

So the SFA are saying once an event has happened the referee should not be influenced in further decision making. Brines clearly was.

 

Its a similar situation you see when a ref blows for a "foul" when he realises he has given a corner when he shouldn't have. it does matter.

 

Brines gave a pen when he realised he had arsed up. A sign he is not a strong referee and is influenced by outside actions

 

 

It will be interesting to see what games he is given over the xmas period - the pity is he hasn't been taken to task by the media or the club - people have pussy footed around to try and not say it. Hopefully the match supervisor has noted it. Until we can criticise poor performances we aint going to improve refereeing standards

 

 

This is the biggest issue.

 

We're either not allowed to complain about referees (or our clubs aren't at least) or when some do complain they are simply accused of being paranoid, or sour grapes etc.

 

Our referees are probably the worst in Europe as a whole & probably the most protected also.

 

They are untouchable.

 

Brines showing on Saturday was so bad (not just against us but as a whole) it is still sticking in my craw.

It's easily the worst I can remember in a number of years & certainly the worst I've seen in a game that didn't involve either of the arse cheeks.

[Ernie McCracken]

Got the feeling that he was influenced by hearts plight and resisted sending tneir players off.

 

But as we were the stronger team he showed no mercy to us.

 

Disgusting double standards.

[kramer]

By all accounts he had a nightmare, but from the highlights he doesn't compare to guys like McCurry and Rowbotham who made careers out of dishonest refereeing. Complaining only has a positive effect if you're Rangers or Celtic.

[Pash]

* the rangers.

 

Rangers are dead.

[Huntlysheep]

All Scottish refs are shite & corrupt just like the SFA.

[tup]

I would say that refs have switched allegiance to the diet huns in the meantime.

[chief_wiggum]

The only time we have ever had fair and competent refereeing in the SPL was when the cunts went on strike and we had to get in Johnny Foreigner to referee our games.

[Dynamo]