Nelson Mandela Dead

[delta1red]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25249520

[Geoff_Tipps]

Poor lad, although the celeb death points are much needed.

[K-9]

Old man dies, meh

[The Boofon]

Old terrorist as well which is (pardon the pun) being whitewashed over by the media.

 

He's a murdering bastard although he was great in the Shawshank Redemption.

[davieb]

Old terrorist as well which is (pardon the pun) being whitewashed over by the media.

 

He's a murdering bastard although he was great in the Shawshank Redemption.

 

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. When you look at the regime he fought against, extraordinary measures are quite justifiable!

[The Boofon]

 

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. When you look at the regime he fought against, extraordinary measures are quite justifiable!

 

Piss off Bobby Sands.

[Ke1t]

There's that old subjective ethics thing again.

[Guest]

Mandela was a great man in my book. A man of great courage and dignity.

 

He was human. He had weaknesses. The regime he stood against were the vilest form of human garbage.

[Jocky Balboa]

Mandela was a great man in my book. A man of great courage and dignity.

 

He was human. He had weaknesses. The regime he stood against were the vilest form of human garbage.

Interesting point, for it shows that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist (no, I didn't confuse the word order there). While many will argue that in his case, the road to hell was paved with good intentions, an inordinate number of these same people laud Israel as a heroic, or even victim, state. Or both.

 

Interesting.

[beef_sister]

95 is a fair innings like. would he have got a letter from the Queen if he reached 100? I know he's not British but i think it would have been a nice touch from the British Monarch to do it if he lived to that age.

[Guest]

Not as interesting as the facts JB.

 

The white regime slaughtered blacks with indiscrimination.

 

The Brits slaughtered the Irish with indiscrimination, particularly pre 1916.

 

The Nazis slaughtered many humans with discrimination.

 

The word terrorist is used too often these days, by the design of Dubya.

 

It is also a word that is used in erroneous context.

 

If a regime slaughters my people, with or without discrimination and I fight back, who is wrong?

 

Fuck all to do with terrorism. Nobody ever inflicted terror without cause.

 

Whether the cause was just or not is what really matters.

[jassb]

Some great quotes if you can be bothered taking a few minutes to search.

 

“Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world." is one I particularly like.

 

I've visited Robben Island a couple of times and when you listen to the stories told by the guides as they show you around, who are ex prisoners, you can't help but admire the man for continuing to fight for what he believed in.

 

Think I'll go and read Long Walk To Freedom again.

[360]

There's a rumour doing the rounds that one or two Glaswegians have expressed their sadness of Mandela's passing.

 

Only in Glasgow.

[buchanskii]

Glasgwegians are flying out to SA in their droves to help out, in the way only glaagwegians can when faced with adversity.

 

Meanwhile Jamie langfield blacks up to raise moneys for the cause and in no way to seek attention.

[Old Wing Stand]

Admired the man for standing up against the Afrikaaners the most horrible people on the face of the earth

[Ke1t]

http://youtu.be/AZjwCmJrnlY

[Guest milne_afc]

youtube link

That was the b-side to the chicken song

[Ke1t]

That was the b-side to the chicken song

 

I think The Chicken song had the stronger message.

[buchanskii]

Least we will always have Nelsons column to remember him by.

[Jocky Balboa]

Not as interesting as the facts JB.

 

The white regime slaughtered blacks with indiscrimination.

 

The Brits slaughtered the Irish with indiscrimination, particularly pre 1916.

 

The Nazis slaughtered many humans with discrimination.

 

The word terrorist is used too often these days, by the design of Dubya.

 

It is also a word that is used in erroneous context.

 

If a regime slaughters my people, with or without discrimination and I fight back, who is wrong?

 

Fuck all to do with terrorism. Nobody ever inflicted terror without cause.

 

Whether the cause was just or not is what really matters.

 

I don't deny your well-made points, RS. However, I take umbrage with his deification by the media, when in fact South Africa has gone to the dogs under ANC leadership and is now both the rape and murder capital of the world and by some considerable margin (incidentally, the majority of this crime is black-on-black). No-one in the mainstream so much as questions his complicity in any of this.

[Ke1t]

Least we will always have Nelsons column to remember him by.

 

Rule 34?

[buchanskii]

 

Rule 34?

Haha brilliant!

[360]

Least we will always have Nelsons column to remember him by.

Especially Winnie Mandela

[Guest]

 

I don't deny your well-made points, RS. However, I take umbrage with his deification by the media, when in fact South Africa has gone to the dogs under ANC leadership and is now both the rape and murder capital of the world and by some considerable margin (incidentally, the majority of this crime is black-on-black). No-one in the mainstream so much as questions his complicity in any of this.

Keep your umbrage for the deifiers. I never deified him. On the contrary.

 

The crime levels in SA is no surprise. The natives are savages. Always have been. The fact that they were capable of being oppressed for so long by such a small minority was because in terms of education, intellect and human qualities, Mandela was a freak. The original crime was Boer exploitation of very stupid savages. That's a fact.

[davieb]

 

Piss off Bobby Sands.

Get that tim icon of my quote

 

We need a terrorist icon instead maybe William Wallace

[buchanskii]

Especially Winnie Mandela

 

Clever and funny, I bloody hate you! That's why we get on I think... Similar.

[Jocky Balboa]

Keep your umbrage for the deifiers. I never deified him. On the contrary.

 

The crime levels in SA is no surprise. The natives are savages. Always have been. The fact that they were capable of being oppressed for so long by such a small minority was because in terms of education, intellect and human qualities, Mandela was a freak. The original crime was Boer exploitation of very stupid savages. That's a fact.

 

Apologies if I misled you, my umbrage was not with you, but the deifiers you suggest.

 

I think the Boers were arrogant (perhaps even naive) to think their model was sustainable, with a small minority (10% or so, I believe?) of the population ruling over the majority in the manner they did.

 

The altruistic, universalist nature of much of Christian civilisation has been its downfall, as has its arrogance in believing that "democracy" was a one size fits all that could be exported anywhere.

[buchanskii]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22976781

 

Three years after his release from almost three decades in prison, Nelson Mandela went to Glasgow to thank the city for its support in the fight against apartheid in his native South Africa.

 

Nelson Mandela praised the "Citizens of Glasgow" for being the first to offer him the Freedom of the City, at a time more than a decade earlier when many others were still condemning him as a terrorist for his role in challenging the system of racial segregation in his home country.

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Think those weegies might actually be on to something. .

[Guest]

Allow me to correct your terminological error. Christianity has never been altruistic. It operated under the sham of being such. The kafflicks are the widest example of the hypocrisy. Religions in the west are control mechanisms, nothing more.

 

Zen and Buddhism are religions, of course. These two are exceptions to my condemnation of all religions as inherently evil. Mormonism is just see-through evil but being only in amerikuh, who gives a fuck?

[ollie1903]

Mandela was a great man in my book. A man of great courage and dignity.

 

He was human. He had weaknesses. The regime he stood against were the vilest form of human garbage.

What, even worse than Fifers?

 

 

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