New High Speed Rail Line Mooted For Northern England

[Bobby Connor]

Another good reason to vote yes. Any danger of getting the a9 dualled in my lifetime?

[Bobby Connor]

Or the A82 or the A96.

[Bobby Connor]

That's wind farms now "banned" from scenic areas of Scotland. What a heap of shite. That's guffs who have moved up here for the scenery that have pushed that through. I was accosted by an English wifie on the top of Ben Wyvis last year with a clipboard. She was banging on about the wind farms spoiling her wee romantic view of what Scotland should be. I quite like them. The ones in Thurso are stunning.

[fine-n-dandy]

That's wind farms now "banned" from scenic areas of Scotland. What a heap of shite. That's guffs who have moved up here for the scenery that have pushed that through. I was accosted by an English wifie on the top of Ben Wyvis last year with a clipboard. She was banging on about the wind farms spoiling her wee romantic view of what Scotland should be. I quite like them. The ones in Thurso are stunning.

The English wifie's?

[Bobby Connor]

;-)

[dervish]

Our Chancellor, baw bag Osborne trying to buy votes "in the north". When it's really the middle at best. Stealth Yes Vote skills.

[cow]

Let them roll our HS 2-3-4-5.

 

Its clearly time to invest in capital expenditure projects we pay for. It's time for a common-sense YES vote.

[Bobby Connor]

Let them roll our HS 2-3-4-5.

 

Its clearly time to invest in capital expenditure projects we pay for. It's time for a common-sense YES vote.

They get high speed rail lines, we get average speed cameras. Get them fucked.

[Bobby Connor]

You're from Inverness too cow? What a kick in the teeth that average speed camera stuff is. We've been up and down this bloody road for decades and that is their great idea. I don't even know if I should be blaming the guffs or the Scottish Parliament. Thon Edinburgh trams seem entirely pointless in comparison.

[cow]

You're from Inverness too cow? What a kick in the teeth that average speed camera stuff is. We've been up and down this bloody road for decades and that is their great idea. I don't even know if I should be blaming the guffs or the Scottish Parliament. Thon Edinburgh trams seem entirely pointless in comparison.

 

 

I live in East Lothian min. I'm a dirty Weegie, but a dandy at heart!

 

Every time there is a fuck up you can square it in the face O' Better together cunts.

 

The Parliament.

The Trams

The Olympics

HS2

HS3

HS can fook off

Selling the gold for buttons.

Wars without reason.

 

We've done fine on:

 

New forth road bridge (on time, under budget)

Commie games (as above)

 

 

Time to make things better! #voteYES

[Bobby Connor]

Must be someone else I was thinking of from Inverness. Apologies.

[Jocky Balboa]

More English infrastructure that we will be expected to pay for... but I just LOVE how Osborne refers to it as "the North of the country"... thus confirming once again (as if discerning minds didn't know already!) that Britain = England.

[StandFree1982]

Another notch in my "Yes" bedpost.

 

They will fast track this shit through before the vote so we will have to contribute to their fucking railway.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Another good reason to vote yes. Any danger of getting the a9 dualled in my lifetime?

 

Scottish Transport Policy is the responsibility of Holyrood, not Westminster.

 

What the English do with their own railways doesnt affect what we do with our own roads.

[tightbreeks]

Edinburgh should be the capital of the uk. problem solved in one fell swoop.

 

I'm starting to go a bit yes myself, after listening to Cameron make light of employing a criminal at number 10.

 

the ginger banshee must have secret society pals, I thought she'd be a goner as well.

[StandFree1982]

 

Scottish Transport Policy is the responsibility of Holyrood, not Westminster.

 

What the English do with their own railways doesnt affect what we do with our own roads.

It would increase the UK's borrowings which we'd ultimately take a share of.

 

 

1. With an original estimated cost of £25.7 billion the cost of HS2 has ballooned to £48.2bn and Scotland will have to supply nearly 10% of the cost out of our budget, but why?As you know, the Scottish Government doesn't collect the revenue of Scotland (yet).

 

Unseen Cost of HS2:

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/the-unseen-cost-of-hs2-aberdeens-lost-220m-is-worst-in-uk.1382164389

[dervish]

You can get to London from Glasgow (400 miles) in about the same time as it takes to go from Inverness to Wick (100 miles) on the train. Effectively 25 mph trains.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16235349

 

 

TRANSPORT SPENDING PER HEAD

• London - £2,731
• South-east of England - £792
• East Midlands - £311
• West Midlands - £269
• Yorkshire and Humberside - £201
• North-west of England - £134
• Eastern England - £43
• South-west of England - £19
• North-east of England - £5

 

They didn't bother saying what it was in the regions of Scotland. Think we can have a guess at it being under £20 though...

[Poodler]

You can get to London from Glasgow (400 miles) in about the same time as it takes to go from Inverness to Wick (100 miles) on the train. Effectively 25 mph trains.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16235349

 

 

 

They didn't bother saying what it was in the regions of Scotland. Think we can have a guess at it being under £20 though...

But surely that's due to supply and demand? Surely Inverness - Wick isn't hoaching everyday?

[dervish]

There's obvious supply and demand bias of course but have you seen the route of the train? All that being said Inverness up to Helmsdale-ish is actually pretty busy the train (after going a bit retarded at Lairg) goes full retard. Also don't understand why Inverness airport isn't linked to the train that goes right by it.

 

Fundamentally though why should spend per head of population be more than an order of magnitude different? When we all pay the same tax. Ok spend less in an area which has less people (= less demand) but why per head should it be so dramatic? I accept that centers will have a bias towards, but near £3000 compared to under £30? Note this is per year so over time the benefits or deficits compound. There is only one way it can head towards. That's massive centralization, and marginalisation of outlying regions.

[bland_flabbis]

You can get to London from Glasgow (400 miles) in about the same time as it takes to go from Inverness to Wick (100 miles) on the train. Effectively 25 mph trains.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16235349

 

 

They didn't bother saying what it was in the regions of Scotland. Think we can have a guess at it being under £20 though...

 

The report those figures are taken from was shown to be extremely misleading. The figures aren't just public money from central government, it includes money generated from fares. Obviously London has huge levels of transport spending because you have millions of people buying Oyster cards and paying for tube tickets every day - that generates revenue that then goes back into investment. Of the £2,731 listed there, around £2,000 comes direct from passenger fares.

 

It also includes sources of funding at the local level which don't come from central government funding. In fact central government funding (money coming directly from the public finances through the Department for Transport) is broadly similar across all regions in England - the East of England region, which in the figures quoted above appears to get hardly any funding at all, actually gets the most central government funding in the country for the period being talked about.

 

Obviously there's an argument about London receiving disproportionate levels of investment (just as Glasgow does - the SNP were happy to direct Scottish Government funding to upgrade the useless Glasgow Subway network hardly anybody uses) but there's no point exaggerating the argument.

[dervish]

Well half the train fares are paid by the tax payer?

[Bobby Connor]

Nobody knows the actual figures. What matters to me is getting between Inverness and Perth on a proper road, and Dervish is spot on about how shit the train is from Inverness to the North. It's like something from a bygone era, there are bits where you can stop the driver if "that's my house!" It's a complete joke.

[ChutneyLove]

Let them get their high speed link. After independence we can invade and take control of the parts of Northern guffland we like. I quite like the Lake District and some of that bit over towards Newcastle; Alnwick and places like that. We can call it South Scotland. Anything from that minky shit-hole Yorkshire and South (inclusive) they can fucking keep. We could maybe have an outlying territory in Cornwall, I quite like the Janners.

Edit to add: There's maybe parts of Ireland we could get as well. Some of the South is alright. They can keep the minkers in the North though. We could exchange the Lake District for Glasgow and surrounds. Everyone wins.

[zander]

The lake district might be a beautiful place Chutts but the people there hold a dark secret. Maybe a clear out of the locals and cash in on some holiday homes?

[ChutneyLove]

We'll just keep them as pets.

[360]

We'll just keep them as pets.

Or, more likely, there'll be a result of "no" and you'll continue to be our little pets.

 

Only this time you voted for it.

[dave_min]

We should also take North Yorkshire, carefully avoiding Teesside.

[360]

We should also take North Yorkshire, carefully avoiding Teesside.

Whitby's nice

[dave_min]

All of New South Scotland is nice.