The Frustration Of The Mcinnes Era So Far

[Poodler]

6 points off Celtic in March, in the final of LC and every other team keen to avoid us in the SC will be a perfectly acceptable season for me.

 

Happy to accept achievements beyond this.

Any other team wouldn't fear us in a SC semi. Honking results in that cup

[strachanmcgheegoal]

I've never accepted an outlook of not winning.

 

When the possibility of not winning is removed from the table then the competition dies.

 

In order to compete in a financially distorted environment, you have to find other means.

 

We don't have those means yet in place in my opinion. The manager and squad aren't good enough to win this year.

 

Hopefully next year.

 

 

 

On an aside, whilst the SPL and all the administrators of Scottish football have been incompetent beyond imagination for longer than any of us can remember, we haven't helped ourselves by financial mismanagement and mediocrity-acceptance in the boardroom. We need to speculate to accumulate. McInnes is good but still learning some basics. He's proven that he can recruit well. Get Ward signed, or at least secured for the season if possible and get three other quality players signed. Invest in the team. We don't want Robson anywhere near our bench. Flood has got to be back-up now. And we need someone who can score goals. Rooney had a freak season last year so let's not expect that again. The underachieving by McGinn and Goodwillie is a major concern, something the manager needs to look in the mirror for.

A lot of sweeping statements in there RS.

 

Firstly I've never accepted players not looking to win either, but I am also a realist. We will not be 15pts clear of Celtic in March though I'd be happy to be proved wrong. We could and indeed should be within maximum 2 wins of them at the split. From there anything is possible.

 

Fully agree on your 'means' comment. But that's not to say under mcinnes' tenure we haven't taken massive strides in the right direction whilst our rivals in Glasgow have been at their arrogant complacent best.

 

On your 'administrators' comment, to be clear they've been shown to be utterly corrupt as well as shamefully incompetent, but that is an arguement for elsewhere.

 

I'm nervous about your speculate comment. Guess we could sign Paul Bernard again! I know what you mean though. I'm happy to have Players of Robson and Floods calibre about the club. I'd love to have Xavi and Iniesta but I can't. If we accept their limitations (Robson's legs and Floods inability to drive forwards ) they can still do a job. Importantly we are no longer reliant on them. I think that's key in these straitened times.

[Guest]

Guess we could sign Paul Bernard again! I know what you mean though.

 

I think we're agreeing on most points. On this however, appreciate that we were cash rich at the time. We had all been fleeced of millions in the share issue and the board decided to get rid of it, in a faux show of ambition.

 

That it was spent on a useless carthorse was shocking management, by not just of the team manager with his ridiculous non-ability at talent-identification and recruitment, but also the board for believing that that clown was capable of spending a million properly.

 

It also begs the question - because effective critical thinking looks beyond the boundaries too - as to whether the board incompetence was by design. After all, no effective businessman or entrepreneur ever decided to piss his OWN money away but he certainly pissed OUR money away.

[BWG]

This thread is fucking retarded.

[The Boofon]

On the winning the league point I had this discussion on Thursday night with folk.

 

Go through our strongest 11 comparing it to Celtic's.

 

We have a better 11 in my opinion.

 

Goalkeeper the only position I'd say they are stronger but that's only because Ward has only played half a dozen games and I've missed most of them so unable to properly assess.

 

We can easily out point them with fair refereeing.

[fine-n-dandy]

On the winning the league point I had this discussion on Thursday night with folk.

 

Go through our strongest 11 comparing it to Celtic's.

 

We have a better 11 in my opinion.

 

Goalkeeper the only position I'd say they are stronger but that's only because Ward has only played half a dozen games and I've missed most of them so unable to properly assess.

 

We can easily out point them with fair refereeing.

He's crazy like a fool

[ericblack4boss]

Fuck I can't believe the hypocrisy on here if I'd started this thread I'd be all the cunts under the sun, and fucking ridiculed,

Things ain't perfect that's life folks, just enjoy the positives,

When I rightly pick holes in that fucking shithouse calderwood reign the folk knocking down my arguments was astounding, there are still cunts on here that look on them as glory days, that accepted that regime as some kind of fantastic era,

 

Fuck me I was slagged just this week for looking ahead to his eventual replacement,

 

I'm not going to give my thoughts on any failings I may or may not think mcinnes has.

[tightbreeks]

i can't really see what mcinnes has done wrong, we've got a real chance of winning the league this season. We must beat the tatties though.

 

scott brown's face is enormous, like a malnourished child's, with rickets and maybe whooping cough and typhoid.

[fine-n-dandy]

Fuck I can't believe the hypocrisy on here if I'd started this thread I'd be all the cunts under the sun, and fucking ridiculed,

Things ain't perfect that's life folks, just enjoy the positives,

When I rightly pick holes in that fucking shithouse calderwood reign the folk knocking down my arguments was astounding, there are still cunts on here that look on them as glory days, that accepted that regime as some kind of fantastic era,

 

Fuck me I was slagged just this week for looking ahead to his eventual replacement,

 

I'm not going to give my thoughts on any failings I may or may not think mcinnes has.

You write a lot to say fk all

[chaos_defrost]

On the winning the league point I had this discussion on Thursday night with folk.

 

Go through our strongest 11 comparing it to Celtic's.

 

We have a better 11 in my opinion.

 

Goalkeeper the only position I'd say they are stronger but that's only because Ward has only played half a dozen games and I've missed most of them so unable to properly assess.

 

We can easily out point them with fair refereeing.

 

Not a chance we have a better starting 11 than them.

[RUL]

Nobody's "doubting" him. It's just a debate.

 

Predicting a return to being brutal is sad. Loser mentality. The expectations of a nothing.

 

Aberdeen's history suggests for the vast majority of time we will be shit and therefore it makes sense to enjoy the good times.

[Guest]

Aberdeen's history suggests for the vast majority of time we will be shit and therefore it makes sense to enjoy the good times.

What good times? One poor performance followed by a win on penalties against a team that's never won fuck all?

 

Not a great return for the hundreds of millions pumped into the club these last couple of decades.

 

Since that cunt Milne took over actually. Coincidentally.

[RAZOR]

Aberdeen's history suggests for the vast majority of time we will be shit and therefore it makes sense to enjoy the good times.

Gordon, Van Djik, Brown, Johannsen and Thumb aside I think we do. I think we have a stronger overall starting XI

[Abramdon]

For me McInnes' achievements are best measured against our best post Fergie season. Fergie was a one off and his achievements will never be matched in our lifetimes. In 1989/90 Alex Smith and Jocky Scott's team finished second in the league and won both cups. McInnes came very close to matching that in his first season. We just failed to get second, we won the league cup but we ran out of steam in the Scottish cup semi. We got second last season but we flopped in the cups, so you could say that we did worse overall. As I said in another thread McInnes has to win another trophy to go down in history as one of the greats. Matching Smith and Scott's achievements in 2015/16 would put him in that category.

[caledonia]

Agree with the point re leaving rooney on the bench

why when we need goals do we leave our top scorer on the bench for over 70 minutes (fallout or what)

[fine-n-dandy]

Agree with the point re leaving rooney on the bench

why when we need goals do we leave our top scorer on the bench for over 70 minutes (fallout or what)

Reading faaaaar too much into it.

 

Goodwillie was much better suited for the Europa games as the loan striker/hold up player & from the back of his play in those games he is hard to justify dropping imo.

[The Boofon]

Gordon, Van Djik, Brown, Johannsen and Thumb aside I think we do. I think we have a stronger overall starting XI

Agreed.

[tup]

There is a young Scottish manager being hailed as the new Mourinho in England after just one game.

 

We should go for him if we decide to give the underachieving McInnes the dunt.

[Guest]

There is a young Scottish manager being hailed as the new Mourinho in England after just one game.

We should go for him if we decide to give the underachieving McInnes the dunt.

The underachiever that you never wanted, the one you predicted so strongly would fail, because of his Hun background?

 

Or did you forget you said that?

 

And if you've retracted and admitted you made a mistake, that's fine. I may well have missed that for obvious reasons.

[tup]

Any more repeats of Thursday night and he may be for his jotters is all I'm saying.

[RAZOR]

Darren Young is the obvious choice.

 

Eoin Jess as Assisstant.

[dave_min]

Darren Young is the obvious choice.

 

Eoin Jess as Assisstant.

 

Nit. Barry NicholsHun is next in line to the thrown.

[Stoneybloke]

McInnes main achievement has been changing the attitude and self belief of the team as a whole, similar to Eddie Turnbull in the dim and distant past. Like Turnbull, unfortunately, winning the league will be beyond his reach.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Agree. But unlike the previous, what, 5, 6 ? Incumbents it will be within touching distance with the players and indeed the whole club in the right frame of mind to reach out and at least try to grab it.

[Guest]

McInnes main achievement has been changing the attitude and self belief of the team as a whole, similar to Eddie Turnbull in the dim and distant past. Like Turnbull, unfortunately, winning the league will be beyond his reach.

 

I agree... THIS season but my jury is out for next. I do suspect that you're right however.

 

I'd be interested to hear your view.

 

Turnbull was a solid manager but lacked sufficient dynamic spark in his personality. I don't see McInnes as lacking in the requisite passion and dynamism. I just have doubts that he's going to be a good enough technical manager to beat Celtic over a season.

 

Specifically, some of his mistakes have been real howlers. Ok, everyone can make a bad decision but Zola was obviously incapable within 3 minutes of the opener against Kilmarnock. Worse, it's taken him YEARS to get rid of Leighton and Clangfool. I don't think his ability to change a game is yet proven and there is no doubt that our best two talents - actual and potential, McGinn and Goodwillie - are significantly underperforming. In McGinn's case, when he scored 9 in 10 or whatever and during which purple patch he scored for his country v. Portugal, I'm sure that may have been under the previous manager so that's a long time we've had to endure watching potential rarely deliver and never delivering with consistency.

 

Maybe DM doesn't believe he can beat Celtic and is happy just to make progress, pick up his wage until a bigger job comes his way? Unlike the Hamilton manager who went to Norwich, I don't see Derek as sharing the same passion and intelligence levels as Neil however, and wouldn't necessarily be as able to inspire more senior pros.

 

Time will tell. Why do you say DM won't win the league?

[Stoneybloke]

Because we can't beat Celtic.

[bobb4you]

Weird opening argument about only coming so far because of how shit we were.

[Guest RosemountRed]

Derek McInnes is the best thing to happen to Aberdeen FC in the last 25 years,I refuse to slag him.

[Poodler]

Derek McInnes is the best thing to happen to Aberdeen FC in the last 25 years,I refuse to slag him.

Eh? The singing section clearly is

[DodgyKeeper]

 

I agree... THIS season but my jury is out for next. I do suspect that you're right however.

 

I'd be interested to hear your view.

 

Turnbull was a solid manager but lacked sufficient dynamic spark in his personality. I don't see McInnes as lacking in the requisite passion and dynamism. I just have doubts that he's going to be a good enough technical manager to beat Celtic over a season.

 

Specifically, some of his mistakes have been real howlers. Ok, everyone can make a bad decision but Zola was obviously incapable within 3 minutes of the opener against Kilmarnock. Worse, it's taken him YEARS to get rid of Leighton and Clangfool. I don't think his ability to change a game is yet proven and there is no doubt that our best two talents - actual and potential, McGinn and Goodwillie - are significantly underperforming. In McGinn's case, when he scored 9 in 10 or whatever and during which purple patch he scored for his country v. Portugal, I'm sure that may have been under the previous manager so that's a long time we've had to endure watching potential rarely deliver and never delivering with consistency.

 

Maybe DM doesn't believe he can beat Celtic and is happy just to make progress, pick up his wage until a bigger job comes his way? Unlike the Hamilton manager who went to Norwich, I don't see Derek as sharing the same passion and intelligence levels as Neil however, and wouldn't necessarily be as able to inspire more senior pros.

 

Time will tell. Why do you say DM won't win the league?

I've read a lot of shite on this forum and this is up there.

 

I'm with RosemountRed on this one - Derek McInnes is the best thing to happen to the Club in 25 years and is very obviously commited to doing something special at Aberdeen.

 

If he was only happy to 'pick up his wages until a bigger job comes his way' then he wouldn't have inspired the complete change in culture and performance at Aberdeen that he has.