The Frustration Of The Mcinnes Era So Far

[Guest]

I've read a lot of shite on this forum and this is up there.

 

I'm with RosemountRed on this one - Derek McInnes is the best thing to happen to the Club in 25 years and is very obviously commited to doing something special at Aberdeen.

 

If he was only happy to 'pick up his wages until a bigger job comes his way' then he wouldn't have inspired the complete change in culture and performance at Aberdeen that he has.

 

I'm with that sentiment too. McInnes IS the best thing to happen to AFC for many a year.

 

But I'm also with the spirit of the OP, I'm with the doctrine of kaizen, I believe in the right to ask questions and explore all boundaries, the very essence of competent critical thinking.

 

The fact I had a question mark after that statement was a clue. I wasn't saying that he's a charlatan cunt like Calderwood always was. It's a good debating strategy to throw things out there and provoke. On your point that he changed the culture, well of course he did. It was so fucking appalling before he had to.

 

You misinterpret the objective of my post. I wanted to draw out the opinion of the man from a shit town. I tried to do this by offering some possible points of agreement. That he didn't bother his arse to elaborate was disappointing but no surprise. But please don't misinterpret what I'm saying and not saying. That would be foolish.

[DD1903]

Good to see him having a pop back at Collins -

 

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/13584351.Derek_McInnes_blast_back_at_Celtic_No_2_over__quot_poor_comments_quot__about_Scottish_football/

 

The Aberdeen manager Derek McInnes has slapped down Ronny Deila's assistant, John Collins, over comments in which he claimed that Scottish players are not good enough to offer Celtic proper preparation for European football.

 

The Parkhead No.2 sparked widespread anger when he claimed Ladbrokes Premiership players are not good enough to test the champions and that his side had to learn how to defend better in Europe.

 

He claimed Scottish players are not clever, nor quick enough, thinkers to give Deila's outfit a real challenge and that there are not enough quality players to punish them.

 

But McInnes reacted angrily to reports of Collins's remarks which he called disrespectful.

 

"He's got a lot to say for an assistant manager, to be honest," McInnes insisted.

 

"He's entitled to his opinion but if it was that easy they'd win the treble every year.

 

"I think it's very disparaging; it's a poor comment.

 

"Whether he thinks that or not, I think it's disrespectful to the rest of the league to say that. It's disappointing.

 

"There is a level of competition there that can test them and I think what he said is a slap in the face to the rest of the league."

 

Collins accusations are bound to foster antagonism from other managers while McInnes's retort could signal a tense game when the teams meet at Pittodrie on September 12.

[fine-n-dandy]

Doesn't help when Celtic nick the likes of Utd's best attacking players.

 

Strange that they sign these players if they are not deemed good enough.

[fine-n-dandy]

The biggest frustration of the McInnes era so far for me is that it didn't start about 4 or 5 years earlier.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

The biggest frustration of the McInnes era so far for me is that it didn't start about 14 or 15 years earlier.

Better!

[RUL]

"He's got a lot to say for an assistant manager, to be honest," McInnes insisted.

 

 

Nailed it as usual.

[Misers Hill]

Good to see him having a pop back at Collins -

 

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/13584351.Derek_McInnes_blast_back_at_Celtic_No_2_over__quot_poor_comments_quot__about_Scottish_football/ Fuck Collins,shame your daughters got an arse like a hippos yawn..

 

The Aberdeen manager Derek McInnes has slapped down Ronny Deila's assistant, John Collins, over comments in which he claimed that Scottish players are not good enough to offer Celtic proper preparation for European football.

 

The Parkhead No.2 sparked widespread anger when he claimed Ladbrokes Premiership players are not good enough to test the champions and that his side had to learn how to defend better in Europe.

 

He claimed Scottish players are not clever, nor quick enough, thinkers to give Deila's outfit a real challenge and that there are not enough quality players to punish them.

 

But McInnes reacted angrily to reports of Collins's remarks which he called disrespectful.

 

"He's got a lot to say for an assistant manager, to be honest," McInnes insisted.

 

"He's entitled to his opinion but if it was that easy they'd win the treble every year.

 

"I think it's very disparaging; it's a poor comment.

 

"Whether he thinks that or not, I think it's disrespectful to the rest of the league to say that. It's disappointing.

 

"There is a level of competition there that can test them and I think what he said is a slap in the face to the rest of the league."

 

Collins accusations are bound to foster antagonism from other managers while McInnes's retort could signal a tense game when the teams meet at Pittodrie on September 12.

[CalgaryDon]

Calderwood - did ok considering he was contending with Hearts, Rangers, Dundee Utd and Hibs all spending way beyond their means. Hibs had the the fortune of selling a conveyer belt of good youth players (much like Utd at the moment) that helped fund their dastardly schemes. Calderwood granted was a manager who required money in order to be successful but he did bring us some years of stability (if you call finishing top 6 every year stability) and had he possessed a team with bottle - may have even won a cup on a few occasions - resulting in him being seen in a different light. He also managed to give us the magical third place finish along with a fantastic European adventure - a feat that our closet rivals never accomplished despite it being potentially Aberdeen's worst period in history. His biggest fault for me was not strengthening the squad after the European adventure.

 

Ebbe was much like Calderwood in many ways - required alot of money but brought little to no success - 4th spot was considered successful at the time. Was Livingstons time to over spend.

 

Paterson - a tainted period in our wonderful clubs History. Maybe had he been sober things could have been different.

 

I don't think many could argue that Derek McInnes is arguably our best manager since Sir Alex. His incorporation of sports science and nutrition has not only brought our standard level of performance on the pitch up but also removed the drinking culture that once was (Calderwood era). He has cleared out alot of Deadwood - from Leighton to Clangers - and all the dross that the fans had been calling to be replaced for many years. Players like Mackie, Duff, Young, Clark etc... would not have lasted long had he been in tenure prior to now. Plans are beginning to come into place regarding both the training facilities and the move to a new stadium - no coincidence they have both gathered pace under DM. A few have mentioned previous mistakes that DM may have made regarding his signings, tactics, late substitutions (or none in some cases - mainly because our bench wasn't good enough at the time - Flood commented on this recently) etc..... What's refreshing is we are all bearing witness to his managerial evolution - he quickly learns from his faults and corrects them accordingly. His ruthlessness in regards to his squad/ signings is something we haven't seen since Sir Alex - Zola, Wlyde, Tate, Daniels, Monakana all found themselves not featuring much after clearly struggling at this level ultimately resulting in an early departure. I also agree on his stance with youth - he hasn't involved many in the first team and from evidence - with good reason. His focus is not to deal solely with the first team squad but the clubs infrastructure as a whole - leaving his infectious desire of striving for continuous improvement with all those involved at the club. In all aspects this club has begun to improve and slowly but surely transpire back to the club which it once was - challenging on all domestic fronts, a feared opposition that was held in great stature within Scottish Football - not a sleeping giant. The comments you'll find nowadays on our rival forums all indicate that we are turning back the clocks and are now truly despised for being both the club and team we were once held in regard to previously. The club has learned from its mistakes over the past decade or so and is now being run accordingly/ appropriately with a very competent manager at the helm. This will continue to remain the foundation of all future regimes at Aberdeen resulting in continual success. The past 15 year period will be seen as a blessing in disguise for generations of this club.

[RAZOR]

Calderwood - did ok considering he was contending with Hearts, Rangers, Dundee Utd and Hibs all spending way beyond their means. Hibs had the the fortune of selling a conveyer belt of good youth players (much like Utd at the moment) that helped fund their dastardly schemes. Calderwood granted was a manager who required money in order to be successful but he did bring us some years of stability (if you call finishing top 6 every year stability) and had he possessed a team with bottle - may have even won a cup on a few occasions - resulting in him being seen in a different light. He also managed to give us the magical third place finish along with a fantastic European adventure - a feat that our closet rivals never accomplished despite it being potentially Aberdeen's worst period in history. His biggest fault for me was not strengthening the squad after the European adventure.

 

Ebbe was much like Calderwood in many ways - required alot of money but brought little to no success - 4th spot was considered successful at the time. Was Livingstons time to over spend.

 

Paterson - a tainted period in our wonderful clubs History. Maybe had he been sober things could have been different.

 

I don't think many could argue that Derek McInnes is arguably our best manager since Sir Alex. His incorporation of sports science and nutrition has not only brought our standard level of performance on the pitch up but also removed the drinking culture that once was (Calderwood era). He has cleared out alot of Deadwood - from Leighton to Clangers - and all the dross that the fans had been calling to be replaced for many years. Players like Mackie, Duff, Young, Clark etc... would not have lasted long had he been in tenure prior to now. Plans are beginning to come into place regarding both the training facilities and the move to a new stadium - no coincidence they have both gathered pace under DM. A few have mentioned previous mistakes that DM may have made regarding his signings, tactics, late substitutions (or none in some cases - mainly because our bench wasn't good enough at the time - Flood commented on this recently) etc..... What's refreshing is we are all bearing witness to his managerial evolution - he quickly learns from his faults and corrects them accordingly. His ruthlessness in regards to his squad/ signings is something we haven't seen since Sir Alex - Zola, Wlyde, Tate, Daniels, Monakana all found themselves not featuring much after clearly struggling at this level ultimately resulting in an early departure. I also agree on his stance with youth - he hasn't involved many in the first team and from evidence - with good reason. His focus is not to deal solely with the first team squad but the clubs infrastructure as a whole - leaving his infectious desire of striving for continuous improvement with all those involved at the club. In all aspects this club has begun to improve and slowly but surely transpire back to the club which it once was - challenging on all domestic fronts, a feared opposition that was held in great stature within Scottish Football - not a sleeping giant. The comments you'll find nowadays on our rival forums all indicate that we are turning back the clocks and are now truly despised for being both the club and team we were once held in regard to previously. The club has learned from its mistakes over the past decade or so and is now being run accordingly/ appropriately with a very competent manager at the helm. This will continue to remain the foundation of all future regimes at Aberdeen resulting in continual success. The past 15 year period will be seen as a blessing in disguise for generations of this club.

 

Have they? Seems like we are in the exact same position as we were 20 years ago with them.

[CalgaryDon]

Have they? Seems like we are in the exact same position as we were 20 years ago with them.

Clearly there was an issue in terms of the working relationship with the uni for the training facilities however if it is to be believed - we are already trying to put into place new plans. And the news surrounding the new stadium should hopefully come soon. I'm positive that the resulting outcome will be in our best interests.

[RAZOR]

Clearly there was an issue in terms of the working relationship with the uni for the training facilities however if it is to be believed - we are already trying to put into place new plans. And the news surrounding the new stadium should hopefully come soon. I'm positive that the resulting outcome will be in our best interests.

 

So realistically no change in that department....

[bobb4you]

 

Have they? Seems like we are in the exact same position as we were 20 years ago with them.

 

Actually, I think this has been THE most frustrating aspect of DM's reign, that we still don't seem to have our ground/training facilities plan in place.

 

I think this is holding us back more than any other single factor.

[RAZOR]

 

Actually, I think this has been THE most frustrating aspect of DM's reign, that we still don't seem to have our ground/training facilities plan in place.

 

I think this is holding us back more than any other single factor.

 

I tend to agree with this.

 

It's about time we stopped giving our local rag of a paper any attention also. They just fabricate nonsense.

[CalgaryDon]

So realistically no change in that department....

Im going to be Controversial and be optimistic - we'll just have to see what happens but I'm sure that we'll some update soon. They did say that there would be news of new plans coming shortly after everything back fired with the uni.

[RAZOR]

Im going to be Controversial and be optimistic - we'll just have to see what happens but I'm sure that we'll some update soon. They did say that there would be news of new plans coming shortly after everything back fired with the uni.

 

Being optimistic about it doesn't mean anything has actually happened.

 

I too am optimistic we will soon move forward with the plans but as of now its merely hearsay and still rumours.

[Henry]

 

Nit. Barry NicholsHun is next in line to the thrown.

 

Next in line to the what?

 

Anyway, has McInnes recently discovered some Jewish heritage? It would explain this thread.

[dave_min]

Next in line to the what?

 

Anyway, has McInnes recently discovered some Jewish heritage? It would explain this thread.

Thrown (apparently).

[King Street Loon]

McInnes, his backroom team and playing squad have been massively let down by the club as far as a stadium and training facilities. I'm sure they try their best, but it's an absolute shambles that this is still dragging on.

[fine-n-dandy]

Good to see him having a pop back at Collins -

 

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/13584351.Derek_McInnes_blast_back_at_Celtic_No_2_over__quot_poor_comments_quot__about_Scottish_football/

 

The Aberdeen manager Derek McInnes has slapped down Ronny Deila's assistant, John Collins, over comments in which he claimed that Scottish players are not good enough to offer Celtic proper preparation for European football.

 

The Parkhead No.2 sparked widespread anger when he claimed Ladbrokes Premiership players are not good enough to test the champions and that his side had to learn how to defend better in Europe.

 

He claimed Scottish players are not clever, nor quick enough, thinkers to give Deila's outfit a real challenge and that there are not enough quality players to punish them.

 

But McInnes reacted angrily to reports of Collins's remarks which he called disrespectful.

 

"He's got a lot to say for an assistant manager, to be honest," McInnes insisted.

 

"He's entitled to his opinion but if it was that easy they'd win the treble every year.

 

"I think it's very disparaging; it's a poor comment.

 

"Whether he thinks that or not, I think it's disrespectful to the rest of the league to say that. It's disappointing.

 

"There is a level of competition there that can test them and I think what he said is a slap in the face to the rest of the league."

 

Collins accusations are bound to foster antagonism from other managers while McInnes's retort could signal a tense game when the teams meet at Pittodrie on September 12.

 

 

Doesn't help when Celtic nick the likes of Utd's best attacking players.

 

Strange that they sign these players if they are not deemed good enough.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33847029

 

Jackie shows some balls & basically tells J Collins he's a twat.

 

[tup]

No he does not, he says he does not believe Collins even said it.

[fine-n-dandy]

No he does not, he says he does not believe Collins even said it.

He's just learning from the likes of McInnes to word it carefully.

[fine-n-dandy]

Griffiths - taken from Wolves after being a one man team for Hibs on loan (preventing Hibs having any chance of signing him on full time deal)

 

Brown - Taken from Hibs.

 

Stokes - taken from hibs after racking up a very impressive goals record for them.

 

Armstrong - taken from Utd & one of their main/best players.

 

GMS - taken from Utd & one of their main/best players.

 

Ciftci - decent scoring record at Utd also.

 

Mulgrew - taken from Aberdeen after us getting his career back on track. & then turns into a dodgey parent cunt.

 

John Collins - Utter fkn twat of a man.

[fine-n-dandy]

I could go further back and name the following who's clubs were bullied into letting the players go:

 

Tommy Coyne

John Collins

Gordon Marshall

Phil O'Donnell

Momo Sylla

Morten Wieghorst

Rab Douglas

Didier Agathe

Scott McDonald

Mark Wilson

Mark Burchil

Thon Polish keeper they took from Utd (or was it two actually)

Chris Killen

 

Edit.. I was just naming those in their current team but if you go back further (even just recent past) it must be loads

[boboisared]

Mark Burchil

Thon Polish keeper they took from Utd (or was it two actually)

Chris Killen

 

Edit.. I was just naming those in their current team but if you go back further (even just recent past) it must be loads

Did Burchill not make the break through there?

[fine-n-dandy]

Did Burchill not make the break through there?

Thought he came from from Hibs youth. My mistake. Think I was getting him mixed with K Miller going to Rangers.

[fine-n-dandy]

He's fairly winding up some victims

 

"what exactly did that sneeky wee bastard Mcinnes say??


ahh found it i think!!!.....it was that discipline shit wasn't it??? obvious that's a fucking swipe at us and make no mistake it wasn't.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33646843

like i said said he's a sneeky wee bastard!!


ps- well Derrick you're entitled to your opinion. Now kindly fuck off!!"

[dejanflapovic]

TBH I think the Original Poster has a point on Subs, McInnes in general takes forever to make changes in some games and even then whoever gets put on is far too predictable. As soon as you see the Squad you can tell exactly who will get put on, in what order and at what time, if fans can easily guess that then so will the opposition.

 

He needs to have more faith in the squad as well rather than the same 14 players and also be prepared to drop out of form players and give others more of a chance of inclusion rather than give them a start then sub or drop them after a game.

 

Need more competition in certain areas of the team, namely RB and Up front as well.

 

before people get excited its a public forum, people are allowed their own views!!

 

Generally we are blessed to have him and hope we can guide us to success again this season

[RAZOR]

 

 

Need more competition in certain areas of the team, namely RB and Up front as well.

 

 

Whats wrong with our RB like?

[fine-n-dandy]

TBH I think the Original Poster has a point on Subs, McInnes in general takes forever to make changes in some games and even then whoever gets put on is far too predictable. As soon as you see the Squad you can tell exactly who will get put on, in what order and at what time, if fans can easily guess that then so will the opposition.

 

He needs to have more faith in the squad as well rather than the same 14 players and also be prepared to drop out of form players and give others more of a chance of inclusion rather than give them a start then sub or drop them after a game.

 

Need more competition in certain areas of the team, namely RB and Up front as well.

 

before people get excited its a public forum, people are allowed their own views!!

 

Generally we are blessed to have him and hope we can guide us to success again this season

 

 

All well & good to say that but (as I've said before) our squad is more quality than quantity.

We only have a few players outwith the starting eleven that we can fully put our faith in. The rest are squad players at best (for the moment at least)

[rossafc92]

TBH I think the Original Poster has a point on Subs, McInnes in general takes forever to make changes in some games and even then whoever gets put on is far too predictable. As soon as you see the Squad you can tell exactly who will get put on, in what order and at what time, if fans can easily guess that then so will the opposition.

 

He needs to have more faith in the squad as well rather than the same 14 players and also be prepared to drop out of form players and give others more of a chance of inclusion rather than give them a start then sub or drop them after a game.

 

Need more competition in certain areas of the team, namely RB and Up front as well.

 

before people get excited its a public forum, people are allowed their own views!!

 

Generally we are blessed to have him and hope we can guide us to success again this season

 

I don't really understand what the problem is here.

 

There are perhaps only less than a handful of occasions where late/no subs have cost us, and they mostly occurred in the 13/14 season (St Johnstone semi @ Ibrox a good example). If the recurring theme/attitude towards AFC, the team, and McInnes throughout this thread is one of "onwards and upwards", then surely we can attribute those 'mistakes' to his relative inexperience at the time as a manager, especially in those situations?

 

As for the use of the same players - who merits inclusion that hasn't had it recently? I think the squad has been used pretty well so far this season. It's fair to say that wasn't the case this time last year, but again lessons are being learned from mistakes. It's worth remembering that the squad is the smallest it's been under DM, both to make better use of the budget and to ensure all senior players are fighting for the first XI places and that there's no 'deadwood'.

 

Don't see why we need more competition at RB. Logan's one of the best in the league. Quinn was brought in to cover there if needed, and at centre back like he's being used in at the moment. Got to be realistic with the budget as well. I'd agree in a sense that another option up front would be welcome, whether that be in the form of a winger or a striker. I won't be too fussed if we don't see anyone else arrive by the end of the window, though.