Graeme Shinnie.....

[old sheep]

A captain should be an automatic starter. Shinnie is no longer that. He might be a chest thumping, local lad but there is nothing in the last 18 months to suggest that his style of captaincy works. I don’t see why JT needs to wait until next season to change the captaincy. Desperate times call for desperate measures and the dressing room culture that exists obviously needs to change and quick. I’d like to see Tobers step up to the role. Captain of his national team and it would signal a changing of the guard. 

[Hoofball]

32 minutes ago, RDS said:

Is this a delete as felt applicable or True or False set up?

A rant as I’m sick fed up of him

[Tord31]

If Shinnie is to be dethroned at some point then when do you do it?

First thought would be to rest him next week (that went well at Darvel), win the game and then unlike after the Elgin win you stick with a winning team the next game and dont recall him.

Only problem with that stealth approach is that Devlin is your captain.....?

[GeorgeStreetReds]

31 minutes ago, Dandys1983 said:

Nilsen does the link up between Defence and midfield well, he was also dropping and at the start of the season at the back to cover if defender was out of position, hes good at what he was signed to do, 

Shinnie just seems to have got to the stage where hes not good enough anymore, legs are gone and passing is abysmal unfortunately, surely will be gone in summer.

Doesn't he have a contract until summer 2027?

[Hoofball]

2 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

If Shinnie is to be dethroned at some point then when do you do it?

First thought would be to rest him next week (that went well at Darvel), win the game and then unlike after the Elgin win you stick with a winning team the next game and dont recall him.

Only problem with that stealth approach is that Devlin is your captain.....?

If Devlin is another cunt that Thelin was having a dig at yesterday he doesn’t get the captaincy. Everyone then knows he’s also a cunt and Thelin gives the captaincy to someone else. 
 

These cunts have made their feeling known by not performing so now they can deal with the consequences 

[DoonTheLine]

9 minutes ago, GeorgeStreetReds said:

Doesn't he have a contract until summer 2027?

2026 apparently.

We need to sign 3 centre midfielders crazily enough so that Shinnie and Nielsen just play a squad player role and can cover injuries/cups, whilst Clarkson can bugger off as well as he’s invisible. Polvara not good enough to be a regular starter either if you want to challenge the top 2 regularly.

[aberdeen1970]

20 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

If Shinnie is to be dethroned at some point then when do you do it?

First thought would be to rest him next week (that went well at Darvel), win the game and then unlike after the Elgin win you stick with a winning team the next game and dont recall him.

Only problem with that stealth approach is that Devlin is your captain.....?

Giving someone like Tobers the captaincy would certainly make a statement about where the squad is headed. 

Just in the door though and trying to establish himself in the team.  

[ERNIE]

 

Shinnie should be good enough v dunfermline at home after a week s rest surely...

[TouzaniLeers]

I don’t get the Shinnie hate. 

I think he won the majority of his duels yesterday. That’s not to say he’s playing well. 
 

Easy to go through your captain on a long run like this but fuck me, if the other 10 players showed half the commitment he does we would have scraped a result by now. 

[Broken_Glass]

2 hours ago, Don_Corleone said:

Shinnie was very good at the start of the season. I think he's no longer able to play the kind of game he used to play for a full season, particularly when asked to play twice a week. Being paired with Nilsen most of the season hasn't helped him as they've both basicually ran out of steam at the same time and are now a horrific combination when played together - it seems it's taken JT a long time to realise this. Shinnie has spent the last two seasons taking the ball in with his back to the opposition and falling over to win a free-kick - in more recent times opponents and refs are wising up to this and he doesnt get the free kicks so often - sometimes it leads to the other team stealing possession and getting a shot at our goal. He turns like a cruise ship in treacle and he's so ponderous on the ball. The same can be said of Nilsen. In their prime they would both be decent enough - their strengths would be winning second balls, breaking up play, winning the ball back etc - but at this stage in their careers they look so tired and slow and the games just pass them by.

I think we need two more athletic, quick, physically imposing players in the engine room, who can take the ball in tight situations and move it on quickly and progressively if we're intent on playing out the way JT seems to want to do it. Palaversa and Polvara sort of fit the bill if they were ever both fit at the same time. Interestingly, Clarkson is probably the kind of player who can take the ball and move it forward through the lines as well, as he did fairly well when he dropped deeper in the second half yesterday. However he doesn't have the physicality for the defensive side of that role. 

I'm not sure we'll sign a midfielder before the window closes - that's the worrying thing. I would assume our efforts will be channeled into getting a striker who might be able to score a goal at some point before the season's over.

Polvara - there's a reason he can't (couldn't get - before his injury)) regular football under JT. 

[DelMonte]

4 minutes ago, TouzaniLeers said:

I don’t get the Shinnie hate. 

I think he won the majority of his duels yesterday. That’s not to say he’s playing well. 
 

Easy to go through your captain on a long run like this but fuck me, if the other 10 players showed half the commitment he does we would have scraped a result by now. 

He’s been captain for 4 managers and he’s already seen off 3. Something has to give. 

[Hoofball]

2 minutes ago, TouzaniLeers said:

I don’t get the Shinnie hate. 

I think he won the majority of his duels yesterday. That’s not to say he’s playing well. 
 

Easy to go through your captain on a long run like this but fuck me, if the other 10 players showed half the commitment he does we would have scraped a result by now. 

He doesn’t show any traits of a captain, if he was an over the hill first team player doing the best he could and just keeping his head down nobody would be having a go. He’s the bloody captain he should be holding people including himself accountable for the current shitshow and trying to do something about it and the fact he isn’t is where the problem lies.

[TouzaniLeers]

1 minute ago, DelMonte said:

He’s been captain for 4 managers and he’s already seen off 3. Something has to give. 

But they’ve all called him captain material? 
 

Shinnie won’t win you games but he will at least lead by example and make it competitive. 
 

I think Warnock unsurprisingly said he was the only leader within the group. 
 

And is was he wrong? It’s so easy to blame the skipper in situations like this. 

[Tord31]

14 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Giving someone like Tobers the captaincy would certainly make a statement about where the squad is headed. 

Just in the door though and trying to establish himself in the team.  

I think Tobers taking the captaincy in pre season could be a shout.

[TouzaniLeers]

1 minute ago, Hoofball said:

He doesn’t show any traits of a captain, if he was an over the hill first team player doing the best he could and just keeping his head down nobody would be having a go. He’s the bloody captain he should be holding people including himself accountable for the current shitshow and trying to do something about it and the fact he isn’t is where the problem lies.

What’s he meant to do? Become a striker and a winger and a centre half all at the same time? 
 

He’s an easy scapegoat. He’s not been terrific the past few months but the idea he’s not trying or phoning it in is utter nonsense. 
 

 

[DelMonte]

5 minutes ago, TouzaniLeers said:

But they’ve all called him captain material? 
 

Shinnie won’t win you games but he will at least lead by example and make it competitive. 
 

I think Warnock unsurprisingly said he was the only leader within the group. 
 

And is was he wrong? It’s so easy to blame the skipper in situations like this. 

I don’t think he has lead by example lately. Far from it. 

[Hoofball]

1 minute ago, TouzaniLeers said:

What’s he meant to do? Become a striker and a winger and a centre half all at the same time? 
 

He’s an easy scapegoat. He’s not been terrific the past few months but the idea he’s not trying or phoning it in is utter nonsense. 
 

 

Show passion on the pitch, try and get the players motivated, arm around them if they’ve made a mistake just something that would show he cares. He shows fuck all that you would expect from a captain and even less so of a team struggling like Aberdeen

[TouzaniLeers]

2 minutes ago, DelMonte said:

I don’t think he has lead by example lately. Far from it. 

Fair, that’s your opinion. I can still see plenty guts and grit about him even if performance levels have dropped. 
 

But they’ve obviously not dropped for just him but he’s the easiest to point the finger at. 

[TouzaniLeers]

2 minutes ago, Hoofball said:

Show passion on the pitch, try and get the players motivated, arm around them if they’ve made a mistake just something that would show he cares. He shows fuck all that you would expect from a captain and even less so of a team struggling like Aberdeen

Just like the manager should be more aggravated on the touchline and show some “pashun”? 
 

No doubt he’s been having words and conversations behind closed doors. 

[Granite95]

4 minutes ago, DelMonte said:

I don’t think he has lead by example lately. Far from it. 

Agreed, been a few moments where hes done brilliant

But far too often in the last 6 weeks or so he's been bullied in midfield

Do think this summer will see a big shake-up and possibly TObers captain makes sense given he captains Latvia

[Hoofball]

4 minutes ago, TouzaniLeers said:

Just like the manager should be more aggravated on the touchline and show some “pashun”? 
 

No doubt he’s been having words and conversations behind closed doors. 

No, I have no problem with the manager being calm on the sideline. He’s spent all week getting those clowns setup to play how he wants and if they can’t or won’t do it him stood on the sideline going mental isn’t going to help.

Yeah and those words are, it’s ok lads he’ll be gone soon. We’ve seen off three managers and he’ll soon be the fourth. The cunts a fraud and one of the main problems at Aberdeen

[TouzaniLeers]

3 minutes ago, Hoofball said:

No, I have no problem with the manager being calm on the sideline. He’s spent all week getting those clowns setup to play how he wants and if they can’t or won’t do it him stood on the sideline going mental isn’t going to help.

Yeah and those words are, it’s ok lads he’ll be gone soon. We’ve seen off three managers and he’ll soon be the fourth. The cunts a fraud and one of the main problems at Aberdeen

It’s your opinion but I couldn’t disagree more. 

[Hoofball]

1 minute ago, TouzaniLeers said:

It’s your opinion but I couldn’t disagree more. 

And I don’t care

[torry_battery_ram]

21 minutes ago, Hoofball said:

He doesn’t show any traits of a captain, if he was an over the hill first team player doing the best he could and just keeping his head down nobody would be having a go. He’s the bloody captain he should be holding people including himself accountable for the current shitshow and trying to do something about it and the fact he isn’t is where the problem lies.

Ran off at the end of the match yesterday long before the rest as well. I like Shinnie but he needs to admit himself he's struggling at this level nowadays. Sad to see but his legs have gone 

[Snelders Snottters 89]

Shinnie hasn't got the legs or skills to help us he's just a passenger most of the time.

[Helmet]

55 minutes ago, TouzaniLeers said:

But they’ve all called him captain material? 
 

Shinnie won’t win you games but he will at least lead by example and make it competitive. 
 

I think Warnock unsurprisingly said he was the only leader within the group. 
 

And is was he wrong? It’s so easy to blame the skipper in situations like this. 

The temptation, maybe natural reaction from a lot of fans when things get this bad is to want to absolutely trash everything, get rid of every player and start from scratch.

So there will be different fans slagging off pretty much every player in the squad.

None of which makes sense of course- we are going to have to trust the coaching staff to solve the problems without giving up on players or strategies we know can work.

 

[elephantstone78]

1 hour ago, Hoofball said:

He doesn’t show any traits of a captain, if he was an over the hill first team player doing the best he could and just keeping his head down nobody would be having a go. He’s the bloody captain he should be holding people including himself accountable for the current shitshow and trying to do something about it and the fact he isn’t is where the problem lies.

Tbf you blamed him for the darvel defeat when he wasn’t even playing, and you weren’t even having a laugh. 
Not sure your judgement can be relied upon. 

[davierobb]

Not fair this pile on on Shinnie. He is limited as a player but there were many a lot worse yesterday. Problem is unlike others he does not shy from the ball. We have too many hiding from the ball and too many taking the safe option. Shinnie is trying to give us something and when its not working he is an easy target.

 

[Hoofball]

9 minutes ago, elephantstone78 said:

Tbf you blamed him for the darvel defeat when he wasn’t even playing, and you weren’t even having a laugh. 
Not sure your judgement can be relied upon. 

Part of the club at that point tho wasn’t he and also played in the games before and after with a score of 11-0 over the two games

[redone]

2 hours ago, old sheep said:

A captain should be an automatic starter. Shinnie is no longer that. He might be a chest thumping, local lad but there is nothing in the last 18 months to suggest that his style of captaincy works. I don’t see why JT needs to wait until next season to change the captaincy. Desperate times call for desperate measures and the dressing room culture that exists obviously needs to change and quick. I’d like to see Tobers step up to the role. Captain of his national team and it would signal a changing of the guard. 

Jury’s still out on Tobers for me.  Can’t say the defence collectively has improved with him there. 

And he’s had his dodgy moments too where he’s been ineffective eg the huns third goal at Ibrox and St Mirren’s third last week.

I’m still hopeful he’ll improve with more games for us under his belt and a steady partner in defence but it’s not a given that he’ll turn out to be much better than we’ve had lately.