What is it about us

[Redtaz2]

We have had a few managers now and consistently the same complaints

lack of leadership , fight and determination 

Goodwin before he came made sure his st mirren team did that , mcinnes with st Johnstone were battlers , both eventually ended with insipid performances 

sadly not since the SAF days and his teams who certainly fought , we have sporadic players that galvanised and inspired but nothing consistent 

why can managers appear to make their previous teams do this and that’s probably one of the criteria when they are selected , so what the …. Happens when in charge of us 

[Millertime]

Just now, Redtaz2 said:

We have had a few managers now and consistently the same complaints

lack of leadership , fight and determination 

Goodwin before he came made sure his st mirren team did that , mcinnes with st Johnstone were battlers , both eventually ended with insipid performances 

sadly not since the SAF days and his teams who certainly fought , we have sporadic players that galvanised and inspired but nothing consistent 

why can managers appear to make their previous teams do this and that’s probably one of the criteria when they are selected , so what the …. Happens when in charge of us 

Too big a job  for most of them

Mcinnes was the man

Look at the state of us before and since him

[Joe pike]

2 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Too big a job  for most of them

Mcinnes was the man

Look at the state of us before and since him

Go pull your cracker.

[RUL]

I’m going to put it out there that for the majority of our history we’ve been absolutely shite but the Ferguson era changed perceptions about what was possible, plus added fans who were essentially glory hunters. 
 

We are now achieving what we’ve achieved most of our history, fuck all, with the added bonus of money changing football so much it’s barely competitive. We can’t attract good players or good managers to our club. We play in a meaningless 2 team league where we can’t possibly compete.
 

Looking at my own dons experience, we’ve gone from signing strikers from Arsenal and PSV to recruiting players from shite leagues across Europe to signing shite defenders and goalkeepers from England. 
 

When we achieve a good run positivity runs amok and we think we’re back, this means the inevitable collapse hits us brutally. And so it all begins again. It’s absolutely shite being an Aberdeen fan. 
 

I will still be at rugby park Wednesday but I wonder if the next generation of Aberdeen supporters will keep going.

[ERNIE]

1 hour ago, Millertime said:

Too big a job  for most of them

Mcinnes was the man

Look at the state of us before and since him

What in earth was the evidence that glass or Goodwin was better than mciness? 

[Redtaz2]

I’m not expecting to win everything or even anything it’s the attitude and commitment that seems to disappear once they get here .

where’s a lee Richardson or windass , even from our own academy a proper leader 

[Jackp]

The applicants we would have got applying for the job when Derek got sacked and even glass would of been top quality but Dave already had glass and Goodwin lined up, this interview process he talks about I think is a load of bollocks, glass and Goodwin have both said when they took over about a high pressing game and I’m yet to see one

[elephantstone78]

22 minutes ago, Redtaz2 said:

I’m not expecting to win everything or even anything it’s the attitude and commitment that seems to disappear once they get here .

where’s a lee Richardson or windass , even from our own academy a proper leader 

Shinnie the last one. Probably Robson before that. 

[Millertime]

38 minutes ago, ERNIE said:

What in earth was the evidence that glass or Goodwin was better than mciness? 

You're reading it wrong 

[caledonia]

2 hours ago, RUL said:

I’m going to put it out there that for the majority of our history we’ve been absolutely shite but the Ferguson era changed perceptions about what was possible, plus added fans who were essentially glory hunters. 
 

We are now achieving what we’ve achieved most of our history, fuck all, with the added bonus of money changing football so much it’s barely competitive. We can’t attract good players or good managers to our club. We play in a meaningless 2 team league where we can’t possibly compete.
 

Looking at my own dons experience, we’ve gone from signing strikers from Arsenal and PSV to recruiting players from shite leagues across Europe to signing shite defenders and goalkeepers from England. 
 

When we achieve a good run positivity runs amok and we think we’re back, this means the inevitable collapse hits us brutally. And so it all begins again. It’s absolutely shite being an Aberdeen fan. 
 

I will still be at rugby park Wednesday but I wonder if the next generation of Aberdeen supporters will keep going.

This⬆️

[Shinniesta]

2 hours ago, RUL said:

I’m going to put it out there that for the majority of our history we’ve been absolutely shite but the Ferguson era changed perceptions about what was possible, plus added fans who were essentially glory hunters. 
 

We are now achieving what we’ve achieved most of our history, fuck all, with the added bonus of money changing football so much it’s barely competitive. We can’t attract good players or good managers to our club. We play in a meaningless 2 team league where we can’t possibly compete.
 

Looking at my own dons experience, we’ve gone from signing strikers from Arsenal and PSV to recruiting players from shite leagues across Europe to signing shite defenders and goalkeepers from England. 
 

When we achieve a good run positivity runs amok and we think we’re back, this means the inevitable collapse hits us brutally. And so it all begins again. It’s absolutely shite being an Aberdeen fan. 
 

I will still be at rugby park Wednesday but I wonder if the next generation of Aberdeen supporters will keep going.

True but we had some good teams post Fergie who left in 86. The original Rangers won 9 in a row from 89 to 97 we finished runners up 5 times in those 9 seasons winning 3 trophies in the process. But by the mid to late 90's Celtic had got their act together, rebuilt their stadium and both them and the huns pulled away from the rest and the gap will only continue to get wider.
 

I take the point though that regardless of the uncompetitive nature of the league too often we've been a soft touch which shouldn't have been the case. Poor decision making from the club far too often. As you say we now shop in the bargain basement it's just how football has evolved small clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford have huge budgets compared to Celtic and the tribute act never mind AFC.

I think the next generation of fans will still keep going Scottish football has been uncompetitive for all non Glasgow clubs since 1991 let's face it no-one has come remotely near to prising the title away from Glasgow since that last day capitulation at Ibrox but despite that crowds in Scotland generally aren't down some 30+ years later.  I guess it's just as shite being a fan of every other club in Scotland not based in Glasgow. But the fans still turn up regardless. We all know we are watching a league that is set up for only 2 clubs to truly be competitive. Bar a couple of small periods in history it's always been that way.

[Guest]

Problem is a severe lack of ambition at the club, which stems from the top. We set our sights on 3rd place & possible semi/final in both cups. Our arses collapse when we come up against any of the arse cheeks. In order to become a realistic title challenging club we need serious investment & the board lack any conviction to do this, so we end up with continuous shit shows & cluster fucks. 

If DC & his cronies can’t fulfill the potential of this club then sell up & let serious people in who can. 

[sooth_stander]

4 hours ago, Jackp said:

The applicants we would have got applying for the job when Derek got sacked and even glass would of been top quality but Dave already had glass and Goodwin lined up, this interview process he talks about I think is a load of bollocks, glass and Goodwin have both said when they took over about a high pressing game and I’m yet to see one

I’m not sure that’s true - that the applications we got when McInnes and Glass were sacked were top quality. That’s no justification for appointing Glass and Goodwin but I doubt top quality coaches were lining up to come here.

The stewardship of our club has been deplorable since Dick Donald stood down, whether it was his son, Milne or Cormack. So what chance do we have of decent coaches being appointed when those at the helm are incompetent?

I agree that it’s become more difficult to compete with the filth when the finances are skewed their way but 2 trophies in 32 years, for a club of our size, is disgraceful. And it all boils down to lack of leadership from the top. 

[Dynamo]

The managerial appointments made by the board are clearly the problem, alongside failure to recruit good players in key positions. 

Cormack and the club have talked of 'a vision', but to go from Glass to Goodwin - two completely different managers - shows that's it's total bullshit and they have no clue on how to execute on it. 

Goodwin doesn't have the mentality either. He's a loser who would be happy with almost winning.

[CCB III]

Born in 95. 
 

Only been alive for the 2014 league cup win. 
 

You guys should cherish the memories of Fergie, Miller, Hewitt, Simmy etc. 

 

It'll never get close to coming back. 
 

My old man turned 52 yesterday, he was 20 when we last won the Scottish cup. That's got to be the biggest failing of a club like ours. 
 

 

[For Fecks Sake]

23 minutes ago, Dynamo said:

The managerial appointments made by the board are clearly the problem, alongside failure to recruit good players in key positions. 

Cormack and the club have talked of 'a vision', but to go from Glass to Goodwin - two completely different managers - shows that's it's total bullshit and they have no clue on how to execute on it. 

Goodwin doesn't have the mentality either. He's a loser who would be happy with almost winning.

You would have been happy appointing another young manager with an inexperienced coaching team around them would you?

[Joe pike]

At least it’s interesting supporting the Dons.

Imagine being a Celtic fan and having to watch them having 80% possession in games and thrashing most teams.

Boring as fuck.

[For Fecks Sake]

Just now, Dorich Bisconti said:

I want a manager in his 50s or 60s! A manager who has experience and not some tadpole gimp who has done fuck all in the game like cantwin.

Any suggestions as to who then?

[elephantstone78]

10 hours ago, Dandiesmin68 said:

Problem is a severe lack of ambition at the club, which stems from the top. We set our sights on 3rd place & possible semi/final in both cups. Our arses collapse when we come up against any of the arse cheeks. In order to become a realistic title challenging club we need serious investment & the board lack any conviction to do this, so we end up with continuous shit shows & cluster fucks. 

If DC & his cronies can’t fulfill the potential of this club then sell up & let serious people in who can. 

I’m no fan of DC but I do think it’s wishful thinking that there’s a ready made alternative waiting in the wings with his/her chequebook at the ready. 
 

We are never ever going to be a title challenging club. Neither are hearts or hibs. 
 

Cups and to a lesser extent some interesting euro games are what will provide us with our success. 
 

Our cup record really has been shocking for decades and I think the odds are long on JG being the man to change that given his prior experience against the two teams we are likely to need to beat. 
 

Even our last competent manager saw us lose big cup games to 

hearts

hibs

dundee 

dundee utd

st j

And, under jimmy there were memorable losses to Queen’s Park and qots. 
 

[Ten Caat]

52 minutes ago, For Fecks Sake said:

Any suggestions as to who then?

Danny Cowley who was supposedly higher on Gnasher's priority list before we appointed Glass and who pulled out of an interview (to take the Portsmouth job) is currently on a 1 win in 11 match run. 

What is (vaguely) interesting is that his wiki profile has him already left Portsmouth but there's nothing in the press. Probably an irate Pompey fan having a bit of a Xmas joke and edited it to show this. Nevertheless they are languishing in 10th in EFL1, although having games in hand which if won would push them up a few spots. But if not won, the wiki editor's prediction may well come true. They most certainly would consider themselves one of the bigger clubs in that league and would be hoping for promotion.

If the "prediction" does happen....and then we follow suit with our manager......would we consider him again??

[Fridge]

55 minutes ago, Dorich Bisconti said:

I want a manager in his 50s or 60s! A manager who has experience and not some tadpole gimp who has done fuck all in the game like cantwin.

Like Craig Brown?

[Ten Caat]

8 minutes ago, Fridge said:

Like Craig Brown?

Was 70 when we appointed him

[fine-n-dandy]

One huge consistency that has been instilled in the Aberdeen squad/team over the past few decades at least, is a shockingly weak mentality. 

Being a bottle merchant & hoping the others in the squad/team can cover for you in this mentality (especially during tougher games) seems to be the main character trait in pretty much every signing we make.

 

All a bunch of ‘look at me’ types when we have the odd decent game but majority of time they are ‘the ghost’ McDonalds

[Dynamo]

1 hour ago, For Fecks Sake said:

You would have been happy appointing another young manager with an inexperienced coaching team around them would you?

Not at all, not what I meant. I mean that there's no consistency to the appointments that suggests they know what they want/are doing. 

[Zander1903]

think i've posted before we need a sports psychologist

after the clean sweep we've had last summer we still have the same limp wristed mentality that has plagued this club for decades, we're getting beaten by teams that on paper that should be at a lower skill level but show more determination & work ethic than our higher paid players

[fine-n-dandy]

Cormack hanging in there for some based only on his financial backing (being a dons fan) & Cormack park. 
 

His chat about Top 100, new stadium etc. is only lapped up by some of them now. Everyone else is sick of the cunts BS speil. Even he’s gotten sick of it himself, as he keeps affy quiet now compared to before. 
 

Snake oil salesman has been outed for what he is. He needs to pack up his wee wagon & move on to the next backward town

[CCB III]

14 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said:

Fucking hell Consi lad, I’m old enough to be your da’. 
 

 

 

 

hmmm 1995…, did you mum ever hang about battlefield or shawlands during this period?

Nae chance 

[Wester Hailes Skins]

15 hours ago, Shinniesta said:

True but we had some good teams post Fergie who left in 86. The original Rangers won 9 in a row from 89 to 97 we finished runners up 5 times in those 9 seasons winning 3 trophies in the process. But by the mid to late 90's Celtic had got their act together, rebuilt their stadium and both them and the huns pulled away from the rest and the gap will only continue to get wider.
 

I take the point though that regardless of the uncompetitive nature of the league too often we've been a soft touch which shouldn't have been the case. Poor decision making from the club far too often. As you say we now shop in the bargain basement it's just how football has evolved small clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford have huge budgets compared to Celtic and the tribute act never mind AFC.

I think the next generation of fans will still keep going Scottish football has been uncompetitive for all non Glasgow clubs since 1991 let's face it no-one has come remotely near to prising the title away from Glasgow since that last day capitulation at Ibrox but despite that crowds in Scotland generally aren't down some 30+ years later.  I guess it's just as shite being a fan of every other club in Scotland not based in Glasgow. But the fans still turn up regardless. We all know we are watching a league that is set up for only 2 clubs to truly be competitive. Bar a couple of small periods in history it's always been that way.

To put it in perspective. The ugly Glasgow pair have salary bills of about 25m each. That's on a par with say Brighton or Nottingham Forest.

Aberdeen and Hearts have salary bills of about 4m. EVERY team in the Championship has bigger, except Rotherham. Even Luton is about 5.5m. So we'd be def relegation positions of the Championship on current wages.

Take a Motherwell who pay about 1.8m compared to Leyton Orient at 1.2m towards top of League Two. So a lot of our league would be bottom half of League One / top of League Two.

So our league is basically:

2 EPL teams

3 very bottom of the Championship teams

The rest a bunch of League One / Two also rans.

Is it any surprise? The wages alone. But then add in the media ie fans with laptops. The GFA. Blah.

Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs will battle for 3rd, a cup, Europe, and the occasional upset result or two versus the Glasgow pair. But zero chances of a league push over a season as things are.

I can dream. Got told Anderson our benefactor has huge wealth and could buy this league 10 times over and not notice it. But, he's not gonna. And our teams would need that kind of ownership, wealth and backing to compete. But our league isn't glamorous enough to attract that investment to Aberdeen, Hearts or Hibs. Anderson is a philanthropist rather than a starry eyed football fan.

[Shinniesta]

55 minutes ago, Wester Hailes Skins said:

To put it in perspective. The ugly Glasgow pair have salary bills of about 25m each. That's on a par with say Brighton or Nottingham Forest.

Aberdeen and Hearts have salary bills of about 4m. EVERY team in the Championship has bigger, except Rotherham. Even Luton is about 5.5m. So we'd be def relegation positions of the Championship on current wages.

Take a Motherwell who pay about 1.8m compared to Leyton Orient at 1.2m towards top of League Two. So a lot of our league would be bottom half of League One / top of League Two.

So our league is basically:

2 EPL teams

3 very bottom of the Championship teams

The rest a bunch of League One / Two also rans.

Is it any surprise? The wages alone. But then add in the media ie fans with laptops. The GFA. Blah.

Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs will battle for 3rd, a cup, Europe, and the occasional upset result or two versus the Glasgow pair. But zero chances of a league push over a season as things are.

I can dream. Got told Anderson our benefactor has huge wealth and could buy this league 10 times over and not notice it. But, he's not gonna. And our teams would need that kind of ownership, wealth and backing to compete. But our league isn't glamorous enough to attract that investment to Aberdeen, Hearts or Hibs. Anderson is a philanthropist rather than a starry eyed football fan.

I'd be surprised if the likes of Forest and Brighton don't have far higher wage bills than the Glasgow two skins isn't Lingard alone on a reported £200k per week at Forest? That's £10m per annum on one player. Doesn't take away from the huge gulf that exists between the Glasgow two and the rest of the clubs in our league.

The only way a club outside of the Glasgow two can win the league is like you say a mega wealthy starry eyed football fan ploughing tens of millions into the club he loves knowing they'll never get it back ala Jack Walker at Blackburn Rovers. And look at them now. But that highly unlikely scenario is realistically the only way it can be done now. Scottish club football as a competitive league is a dead duck for all but two clubs but you can't just stop loving and supporting your own club regardless of the massive chasm that exists and the uncompetitive nature of the competition we play in. The odd cup win here and there is realistically the best the non Glasgow clubs can hope for it's been that way for 30+ years now and it ain't changing anytime soon. 

[Jocky Balboa]

20 hours ago, Jackp said:

The applicants we would have got applying for the job when Derek got sacked and even glass would of been top quality but Dave already had glass and Goodwin lined up, this interview process he talks about I think is a load of bollocks, glass and Goodwin have both said when they took over about a high pressing game and I’m yet to see one

This is exactly what I've said all along; if the rumours about McInnes getting 17k a week were anywhere near the truth, then there was more than enough money in the pot to pay a good manager, whether a young up-and-coming ambitious man with one eye on the EPL, or a senior experienced man looking for one last good gig. Bottom line; a proper, detailed recruitment process would have secured a candidate who was at least capable of kicking us on. 

Moreover, we were playing annually in Europe and while we fell short of the group stages each time under McInnes, any prospective candidate who did their homework would have known it didn't need much more than one big push to get us to that level (indeed, the coefficient has done just that for Hearts and despite their disappointing results, they have one hell of a payday going forward). 

Instead, Donny Osmond's vanity project set us back years.