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What am missing?

When, or around, time lassie took him to court in a civil case Plymouth cancelled his contract. 

Sometime after being found guilty of rape in that case Goodwillie ends up at Clyde and subsequently scores a bucket load of goals over a few seasons. 

Raith sign him but never play him because a Dyke withdraws her sponsorship. 

He is then loaned back to Clyde but doesn't play because the local council refuse to renew the lease of the ground. 

Months go by and then Goodwillie plays as a trialist for Runcorn, scoring 3 goals.

An outcry erupts and the Runcorn connection is cancelled. 

My observation is that when he initially played for Clyde that there was no outcry from the media, fans or council.

Mob rule has hounded Goodwillie out of football. What would the media then say if he topped himself?

I thought I lived in a society where every sinner, within reason, has a future whereas every Saint may also have a past.

Finally I 100% understand that rape is a horrific crime but this whole situation has gone too far the other way punishment wise now.

 

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I feel sorry for Goodwillie. I read the evidence and the judge's comments - it's true to say the judge formed an opinion that he was lying. An opinion. Because there was no evidence to substantiate wh

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Well, that's only a reflection on you.  She didn't go back to his house. You thinking that she did just shows how absolutely little you know about the whole situations. Which only makes your as

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I’ve never understood why he didn’t move to Thailand or the Philippines. He’d be able to play without the furore and have a nice wee life. Would probably score 30+ every season too.

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5 minutes ago, BaaBaaRedSheep said:

What am missing?

When, or around, time lassie took him to court in a civil case Plymouth cancelled his contract. 

Sometime after being found guilty of rape in that case Goodwillie ends up at Clyde and subsequently scores a bucket load of goals over a few seasons. 

Raith sign him but never play him because a Dyke withdraws her sponsorship. 

He is then loaned back to Clyde but doesn't play because the local council refuse to renew the lease of the ground. 

Months go by and then Goodwillie plays as a trialist for Runcorn, scoring 3 goals.

An outcry erupts and the Runcorn connection is cancelled. 

My observation is that when he initially played for Clyde that there was no outcry from the media, fans or council.

Mob rule has hounded Goodwillie out of football. What would the media then say if he topped himself?

I thought I lived in a society where every sinner, within reason, has a future whereas every Saint may also have a past.

Finally I 100% understand that rape is a horrific crime but this whole situation has gone too far the other way punishment wise now.

 

The problem is he has never admitted it or shown any remorse. Hold you hands up and say your apologies and forgiveness may be easier to come by.

 

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2 minutes ago, Geoff_Tipps said:

Why's he not prepared to take it to court to have his name cleared? He'd be due a huge amount of compensation due to loss of earnings.

Take the supposed victim to court. 

It's one of the tricky ones tbh. 

We live in a society of innocent till proven guilty. Or in other words, he/she who accuses must prove. There wasn't enough evidence for a criminal conviction. A civil case is a bit different. 

If there was deemed that there wasn't enough evidence for a criminal conviction why would he admit it? Then end up doing 5+ years in the pokey. 

Rapists are the scum of the earth and if found guilty i'd throw them out a plane without a parachute. 

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4 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said:

What has the girl done wrong in this case? 

I am not saying she has done anything wrong. All I am saying is Goodwillie either accepts, apologizes and begs forgiveness or he is adamant the case is built on lies, take her to court and sue the fuck out of her for ruining his life. The fact he isn't doing that suggests he knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

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46 minutes ago, Geoff_Tipps said:

I am not saying she has done anything wrong. All I am saying is Goodwillie either accepts, apologizes and begs forgiveness or he is adamant the case is built on lies, take her to court and sue the fuck out of her for ruining his life. The fact he isn't doing that suggests he knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I think he did consider appealing the Civil decision and that's what made Plymouth decide to force him out of there. I've no idea if he is innocent or not but it seems like he'll not be able to prove his innocence now and is pretty much damned either way.

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The civil case has meant that even if the rozzers came up with some new evidence that meant they had enough to charge Goodwillie (and the other boy) with rape, he just couldn't ever get a fair trial. They'd probably try to hold the case up in Inverness or possibly Aberdeen where there might be a few less people who aren't aware of the case but I just think they could never get a jury who were completely unaware of the allegations. 

I can't see him ever getting a team to sign him up now either. Even 7th tier English teams support go up in arms if it looks like they want to sign him.

No idea what alternative career he might try to follow if he packs in football. But will he get hounded out of it whenever it emerges he's been taken on?

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Would Goodwillie (does anyone) have had to declare a civil conviction on a job application or if emigrating to different country the same as you do a criminal conviction?

He'd never win a lawsuit for loss of earnings. He hasn't been found guilty in a civil court because he hasn't done anything wrong has he? That alone would stop a jury ever ruling in his favour.

As said I don't know why he didn't move abroad to continue playing. He could have had the guts of a decade playing football in a far more exciting place than Clyde no doubt away from the grief he's received here this past couple years.

The media and the general public who have jumped on the bandwagon shaming him in recent times after leaving him in peace for years is a nonsense though.

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42 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

The civil case has meant that even if the rozzers came up with some new evidence that meant they had enough to charge Goodwillie (and the other boy) with rape, he just couldn't ever get a fair trial. They'd probably try to hold the case up in Inverness or possibly Aberdeen where there might be a few less people who aren't aware of the case but I just think they could never get a jury who were completely unaware of the allegations. 

I can't see him ever getting a team to sign him up now either. Even 7th tier English teams support go up in arms if it looks like they want to sign him.

No idea what alternative career he might try to follow if he packs in football. But will he get hounded out of it whenever it emerges he's been taken on?

I feel sorry for Goodwillie. I read the evidence and the judge's comments - it's true to say the judge formed an opinion that he was lying. An opinion. Because there was no evidence to substantiate whether consent had been given. The civil court made a judgment and he was forced to pay compensation. Which he paid. But for many people that still isn't enough. I can't see how it's fair and reasonable to deprive him of his livelihood when a) he cannot be found guilty in a criminal court, and b) he has already been obliged to pay compensation. So like many others I still think there is reasonable doubt over what happened and he continues to argue still that he is not guilty. In no way am I justifying crimes of this nature which are abhorrent. I am simple stating that he is in a no-win situation, his life has been ruined, he is deprived of his livelihood and treated like scum. Other people with 'criminal', (not merely civil) convictions are allowed to get on with their lives after they have been found guilty and paid the price. He is condemned where the evidence is absent. It's also possible that people who are very, very drunk make mistakes and dont remember what they said or did after the fact. Which makes unravelling such a terrible accusation or event almost impossible. If there is sufficient evidence to convict in a criminal court he or anyone else should be tried and if found guilty duly punished. Absent the required evidence you just can't be sure enough to judge him time after time to the extent of ruining his life to the end of his days. No doubt this view will be slaughtered by those who want to persecute him further - but it is attitudes like these that led to the abduction and murder of Christopher Hughes. If the law cannot punish him, I don't see what right other have to make such judgements. Regardless of the ability of the criminal courts to try this matter one thing is clear - David Good willie has suffered and continues to suffer severe punishment.

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59 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

The civil case has meant that even if the rozzers came up with some new evidence that meant they had enough to charge Goodwillie (and the other boy) with rape, he just couldn't ever get a fair trial. They'd probably try to hold the case up in Inverness or possibly Aberdeen where there might be a few less people who aren't aware of the case but I just think they could never get a jury who were completely unaware of the allegations. 

I can't see him ever getting a team to sign him up now either. Even 7th tier English teams support go up in arms if it looks like they want to sign him.

No idea what alternative career he might try to follow if he packs in football. But will he get hounded out of it whenever it emerges he's been taken on?

Do you think Inverness and Aberdeen are that much of a backwater they wouldn’t know about the case. I think we read the same papers 😂. 
 

The people that were up in arms during the week, is it the team’s actual fans or is it the same Twitter police following him where ever he goes 

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