coveficove Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 13 SPFL league games played and our season is one third of the way through and we are sitting just 3 points off the automatic relegation spot. Lots of excuses claiming our league position is false due to game in hand and that Europe has taken its toll on us but does that stack up? Wee need to examine our performances against the other non arse-cheeck teams who have been in European action this season to compare haow we are actually doing against teams who have endured a similar games schedule. Both Hearts and Hibs have played 6 European ties and suffered the punishing midweek/weekend schedule all be it earlier in the season so I thought I'd do a comparison of our two main rivals for third, base on success rate per games played, attacking thread on goals per game, defensive record per game and the goal difference per game and it does not make for happy reading 1. Success Rate % ( Points won/points available) Aberdeen 9th 33% Hearts 3rd 55% Hibs 5th 47% 2. Attacking Record (Goals scored per game) Aberdeen 7th 1.15 Hearts 8th 1.00 Hibs 3rd 1.47 Defensive Record (Goals conceded per game) Aberdeen 12th 1.77 Hearts 3rd 0.86 Hibs 5th 1.40 Goal Difference (Gap between For and Against per game] Aberdeen 9th -0.62 Hearts 3rd +0.14 Hibs 4th +0.07 In summary we have the worst defence in the league and don't make top 6 in any category whereas Hibs are in top 6 in all categories and Hearts only drop into bottom 6 in terms of poor goals scoring. In summary we are deep in the brown stuff and potentially in a relegation play-off fight Link to comment
King Street Loon Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Tables rarely lie. You are where you deserve to be. Link to comment
Dynamo Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 After this weekend we'll have played the old firm*, hearts and Hibs home and away. Obviously we've played poorly in most of those games but we've really not had a decent run of games to build momentum. 1 1 Link to comment
Hoofball Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 You can’t have the worst defensive record in the league and expect to be anywhere else other than scrapping down the bottom of the league Link to comment
slippers Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Not under robson we aren’t. As said table dosnt lie we have been horrific. But if we get the right manager in door with a good run of games after final and Jan window upon us I think he could really motor. As I still stand by us having the best 11 outside the 2 cunts. The fact we are second bottom is a complete disgrace. I think this is very comparable with Glass towards the end. We play well 1 week and think right it’s going to click then we lose the the following 2/3 games. He has to go after Killie if we fail to win. He can’t stay if we don’t beat Killie. We could be almost 20 behind hearts with a loss next weekend. About 15 games. Absurd! Link to comment
DelMonte Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 What’s the main issues with the defence? That’s 3 seasons and 3 managers in a row with 3 different sets of defenders and we are still shite. Bizarre. Link to comment
Johnnyred1 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I think it's a culmination of balancing playing in Europe and domestically. Changing the side continually resulted in inconsistent performances. This grouped with a very challenging set of early season fixtures compared to those around us, meant we stuttered from day one. It could and should get better with a settled side but then again it may get worse with injuries to key players. Very challenging times for Barry. Link to comment
EH11Red Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Probably not but we've struggled with the European games & have actually played well in some games - yesterday included. I think we'll beat the diets on Saturday & am weirdly optimistic about the Final - win them both & it looks very different - certainly with a winnable run of games after that. It's all still to play for in the league but we need to start winning soon Link to comment
Dynamo Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, DelMonte said: What’s the main issues with the defence? That’s 3 seasons and 3 managers in a row with 3 different sets of defenders and we are still shite. Bizarre. Think this season the midfield is an issue. Little protection. Link to comment
DelMonte Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dynamo said: Think this season the midfield is an issue. Little protection. Not sure. That 3 at the back have been terrible this season realistically. So have the midfield however. Link to comment
Andy_123 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Robson’s tactics of soaking up pressure and playing on the counter attack all the times means the defence are under far more pressure than they need to be, so bound to concede more. It doesn’t help that the players themselves clearly aren’t great either Link to comment
Roberto Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Worst defence in the league? Aye least Rubezic is improving. Link to comment
Millertime Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 You can't be in a false position in a league Link to comment
GDON21 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, Millertime said: You can't be in a false position in a league You can when you've played less games than every other team. 1 Link to comment
Howard Marks Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Another thread? Couldn't this be added to Robsonball, next manager, any match thread, etc etc etc. Link to comment
coveficove Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, GDON21 said: You can when you've played less games than every other team. Thats not how the comparison was done. We are 9th effectively based on points gained from points available, equal with Ross County but just ahead on relative goal difference. Link to comment
Ten Caat Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, Millertime said: You can't be in a false position in a league You can but only to small degree Such as when you have played less games than anyone else......and within this have played more matches away than at home Or when you have faced the "best" teams in the league more than the other sides, especially those sides closest to you in the current standings. But I'd then say that at best, we would be one or two places better off than we currently are Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, coveficove said: 13 SPFL league games played and our season is one third of the way through and we are sitting just 3 points off the automatic relegation spot. Lots of excuses claiming our league position is false due to game in hand and that Europe has taken its toll on us but does that stack up? Wee need to examine our performances against the other non arse-cheeck teams who have been in European action this season to compare haow we are actually doing against teams who have endured a similar games schedule. Both Hearts and Hibs have played 6 European ties and suffered the punishing midweek/weekend schedule all be it earlier in the season so I thought I'd do a comparison of our two main rivals for third, base on success rate per games played, attacking thread on goals per game, defensive record per game and the goal difference per game and it does not make for happy reading 1. Success Rate % ( Points won/points available) Aberdeen 9th 33% Hearts 3rd 55% Hibs 5th 47% 2. Attacking Record (Goals scored per game) Aberdeen 7th 1.15 Hearts 8th 1.00 Hibs 3rd 1.47 Defensive Record (Goals conceded per game) Aberdeen 12th 1.77 Hearts 3rd 0.86 Hibs 5th 1.40 Goal Difference (Gap between For and Against per game] Aberdeen 9th -0.62 Hearts 3rd +0.14 Hibs 4th +0.07 In summary we have the worst defence in the league and don't make top 6 in any category whereas Hibs are in top 6 in all categories and Hearts only drop into bottom 6 in terms of poor goals scoring. In summary we are deep in the brown stuff and potentially in a relegation play-off fight We’re not in a false position. The old cliche “a league table doesn’t lie” is correct. I’d go as far to say if the Board are too stupid and persist with Robson, we’ll be in a fight to avoid the bottom two. If they punt him NOW, we’ll make Europe. 1 Link to comment
Millertime Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 26 minutes ago, GDON21 said: You can when you've played less games than every other team. Nah Link to comment
DoonTheLine Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Worst Defence when playing 5-3-2/5-4-1 every week is deeply concerning, but all on the manager. Putting out a formation alone is not enough, each player needs to know his role within that and be able to move the formation with and without the ball as part of a team. It was completely clear in the Celtic game that Robson had literally said "5-4-1 and everyone behind the ball when they have it" with no further instructions as any form of attacking movement had us completely messed up (Palma and Yang having days of their lives). Table doesn't lie, and if we don't win the cup, Robson shouldn't be given any further chances in 2024. Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I think unlike at other times we do have the potential to be in a better position. I still consider us saveable and reasonably quickly improve-able. Link to comment
HaarDon Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Our problem is our midfield. It's just not good enough. Shinnie and Clarkson aren't good enough. 1 Link to comment
King Street Loon Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, HaarDon said: Our problem is our midfield. It's just not good enough. Shinnie and Clarkson aren't good enough. Deployed correctly and asked to do things that suit their game then they are good enough. 3 Link to comment
minijc Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, HaarDon said: Our problem is our midfield. It's just not good enough. Shinnie and Clarkson aren't good enough. Clarkson isn't good enough? Hahaha, good one. 1 Link to comment
GDON21 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, HaarDon said: Our problem is our midfield. It's just not good enough. Shinnie and Clarkson aren't good enough. That's nonsense. Part of the problem is, one is over the age of 30 and getting asked to press high up the park, when his best attributes now are protecting the back line and the other is getting asked to protect the back line(along with starting attacks etc) but he has the energy to press and is far more effective in the final third. 1 Link to comment
slippers Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 hours ago, WesthillWanderersFC said: We’re not in a false position. The old cliche “a league table doesn’t lie” is correct. I’d go as far to say if the Board are too stupid and persist with Robson, we’ll be in a fight to avoid the bottom two. If they punt him NOW, we’ll make Europe. In full agreement with above! If we keep Robson and fuck up the easier run in after the final it will be too late to recover. Link to comment
Reed or deed Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 4 hours ago, DelMonte said: What’s the main issues with the defence? That’s 3 seasons and 3 managers in a row with 3 different sets of defenders and we are still shite. Bizarre. The main issue with the defence (and the midfield) and some of the strikers and the goalkeeper and the management team, is that we don’t fork out the money required for real quality. That and we don’t seem to have the systems to develop as much real quality as we would like either. Over and above that, our ground and fans are generally shite and inspire no one. And also, we have a negative loser mentailty. Apart from that though, we’re good. 1 Link to comment
perthshirered Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Dynamo said: After this weekend we'll have played the old firm*, hearts and Hibs home and away. Obviously we've played poorly in most of those games but we've really not had a decent run of games to build momentum. On paper that sounds tough, but the reality is Hearts and Hibs are shite anaw. Link to comment
Wester Hailes Skins Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Aberdeen got third last season primarily on the performance of Scales, Pollock and MacDonald at the back. Hearts did well with Kingsley, Halkett, Souttar. St Johnstone with Kerr, Gordon, McCart. All three teams fell away when that back line was broken up. Defence is king. We're up to third but still look poor. But Rowles and Kent looking much better in a back three with A N Other, usually Kingsley. A solid three and reasonable keeper is huge in our league. Link to comment
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