Alan Hansen

[Ten Caat]

Very sad news in the past 24 hours that he is seriously ill in hospital.

However in the lunchtime BBC news, he was described as "Scotland's greatest ever defender". Now there's no doubt that he won the most medals, certainly in modern times anyway and was a great captain of Liverpool. But there is a reason why, playing at the same time and almost exactly the same age (Hansen is a month younger) that a certain Mr Miller achieved more than double the number of Scotland caps that Hansen did (indeed it's nearer to 3 times than it is twice). It wasn't even reported as Hansen possibly being the greatest Scottish defender. It was reported as a matter of indisputable fact.

Well I for one don't concur...

[johnstrac]

Hansen put us out of the WC in 82.

[dave_min]

Vaccinated?

[RAZOR]

37 minutes ago, johnstrac said:

Hansen put us out of the WC in 82.

He also regularly pulled out of squads. Couldn't be trusted by the time 86 rolled round.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

Crazy a defender of that calibre only got 26 caps. Scott McKenna has 35. 

imagine a dons pairing keeping a league and European cup serial winner out the team.

just shows how good we were back then. Serious depth. Under performed to be honest. 
 

Hope he makes it through. Sounds like he’s in a bad way. 

[Russell]

1 hour ago, Ten Caat said:

Very sad news in the past 24 hours that he is seriously ill in hospital.

However in the lunchtime BBC news, he was described as "Scotland's greatest ever defender". Now there's no doubt that he won the most medals, certainly in modern times anyway and was a great captain of Liverpool. But there is a reason why, playing at the same time and almost exactly the same age (Hansen is a month younger) that a certain Mr Miller achieved more than double the number of Scotland caps that Hansen did (indeed it's nearer to 3 times than it is twice). It wasn't even reported as Hansen possibly being the greatest Scottish defender. It was reported as a matter of indisputable fact.

Well I for one don't concur...

If they had something like 'most decorated' defender then that might be more like but even then he's probably got less trophies and caps than fuckin Tom Boyd for example

[Broken_Glass]

2 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Crazy a defender of that calibre only got 26 caps. Scott McKenna has 35. 

imagine a dons pairing keeping a league and European cup serial winner out the team.

just shows how good we were back then. Serious depth. Under performed to be honest. 
 

Hope he makes it through. Sounds like he’s in a bad way. 

It's not crazy at all. Hansen wasn't as good as Willie. It made sense to have the rock solid partnership of Miller and McLeish plus throw Leighton in and the understanding of the back line is almost taken care of. Hansen, brilliant defender, God - magnificent defender, a clear difference.

[King Street Loon]

Gordon McQueen was better than Hansen. Granted they were different style defenders. 

Hansen was inferior to Miller imo.

[Itsagoal]

Hansen was great for Liverpool, but average for Scotland. Liverpool so superior to other clubs, and that suited Hansen’s strengths, ie strolling up the park. However he was an average defender and Scotland needed great defenders, which they had in Miller, McLeish, Narey. Etc

[Daisy1903]

Favoured club over country. Wouldn't give Stein info on Ian Rush during the 1986 qualifying - think him and Dalgish may have been dropped for that.

[Durrant Dived]

16 minutes ago, Daisy1903 said:

Favoured club over country. Wouldn't give Stein info on Ian Rush during the 1986 qualifying - think him and Dalgish may have been dropped for that.

Why would you not do that to benefit your own country? What a clown.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

7 hours ago, Broken_Glass said:

It's not crazy at all. Hansen wasn't as good as Willie. It made sense to have the rock solid partnership of Miller and McLeish plus throw Leighton in and the understanding of the back line is almost taken care of. Hansen, brilliant defender, God - magnificent defender, a clear difference.

It is crazy. I think you’ve missed the point though. I didn’t mean Hansen should have been playing at all. 
 

im saying it’s crazy we could pick Willie miller, Alex McLeish, Alan hansen, Dave narey, Maurice malpas, Roy aitken or Richard gough. 
 

and now we are handing McKenna 35 caps along with likes of Jack Hendry and porteus and giving others a game out of position in central defense 

[Don Fonte]

4 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

It is crazy. I think you’ve missed the point though. I didn’t mean Hansen should have been playing at all. 
 

im saying it’s crazy we could pick Willie miller, Alex McLeish, Alan hansen, Dave narey, Maurice malpas, Roy aitken or Richard gough.
 

and now we are handing McKenna 35 caps along with likes of Jack Hendry and porteus and giving others a game out of position in central defense 

A sinister man.

And a sleekit hun bastard.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

4 minutes ago, Don Fonte said:

A sinister man.

And a sleekit hun bastard.

Some defender for a paedo though. Much better at marshalling the defence than Rolf Harris 

[Redtillimdead]

3 hours ago, Don Fonte said:

A sinister man.

And a sleekit hun bastard.

Loved rent boys

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Was there not a story at the time that Levein was basically being tapped up by the hun around the time of the 86 collapse.  Then once they'd collapsed Levein looked for progress to find Souness was in and was taking Gough from Spurs(?) instead?

Something like that Im sure.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Just on the topic.  If you step away from it you immediately see just what an artificial creation it is.  If you can pull on the slime waders and find your way to Mcgiilywibble's site and then pull on extra protection and go to the hun link he provides, about espanyolification, its actually quite a decent read, for a hun.  Like a light bulb flickering in the wilderness.  Immediately swamped with we deserve better (than just the one trophy per year) bollocks comments of course.  And as always they fail to acknowledge that if they think its difficult for them to compete  imagine a/ being us and b/ if the competition in its widest sense was being run even remotely fairly and without interference from one cheek wanting to play with the big boys but not pay for it and the other deliberately throwing anchors out to recreate the illusion of a two horse race so bullshit statistics like the one the OP uses hide what it is, an illusion to fleece idiots.  

[Big Hat Logan]

Just now, strachanmcgheegoal said:

Just on the topic.  If you step away from it you immediately see just what an artificial creation it is.  If you can pull on the slime waders and find your way to Mcgiilywibble's site and then pull on extra protection and go to the hun link he provides, about espanyolification, its actually quite a decent read, for a hun.  Like a light bulb flickering in the wilderness.  Immediately swamped with we deserve better (than just the one trophy per year) bollocks comments of course.  And as always they fail to acknowledge that if they think its difficult for them to compete  imagine a/ being us and b/ if the competition in its widest sense was being run even remotely fairly and without interference from one cheek wanting to play with the big boys but not pay for it and the other deliberately throwing anchors out to recreate the illusion of a two horse race so bullshit statistics like the one the OP uses hide what it is, an illusion to fleece idiots.  

These are definitely words 

[DD1903]

3 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

Just on the topic.  If you step away from it you immediately see just what an artificial creation it is.  If you can pull on the slime waders and find your way to Mcgiilywibble's site and then pull on extra protection and go to the hun link he provides, about espanyolification, its actually quite a decent read, for a hun.  Like a light bulb flickering in the wilderness.  Immediately swamped with we deserve better (than just the one trophy per year) bollocks comments of course.  And as always they fail to acknowledge that if they think its difficult for them to compete  imagine a/ being us and b/ if the competition in its widest sense was being run even remotely fairly and without interference from one cheek wanting to play with the big boys but not pay for it and the other deliberately throwing anchors out to recreate the illusion of a two horse race so bullshit statistics like the one the OP uses hide what it is, an illusion to fleece idiots.  

Whats this got to do with Alan Hansen?

[strachanmcgheegoal]

2 minutes ago, DD1903 said:

Whats this got to do with Alan Hansen?

Ah, no.  Bollocks, jumped across from the other Rise and Fall thread.  Apologies.

[Ten Caat]

Don't think Gough signed for Spurs until August 86 which obv would be after the Hearts collapse. He signed for deadco a year later, supposedly saying he wanted to move back up the road for "family reasons".

I think there was talk at the time of the initial transfer that der Hun wanted to buy him from DU but Wee Jum wasn't keen on selling him to what at that point would have been a direct rival so the huns and Spurs supposedly came to an arrangement where he'd head down to London and Rangers would buy him a year later giving Spurs a tidy profit on the deal (think they doubled their money on him).

Where Levein came into this is anyone's guess

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

23 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

Was there not a story at the time that Levein was basically being tapped up by the hun around the time of the 86 collapse.  Then once they'd collapsed Levein looked for progress to find Souness was in and was taking Gough from Spurs(?) instead?

Something like that Im sure.

I mind hearing Gough quadrupled his wages when he went from spurs to rangers. Mental

[DD1903]

15 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

Ah, no.  Bollocks, jumped across from the other Rise and Fall thread.  Apologies.

I thought dervish had hijqcked your account tbh

[Kincardine_Mearns_Red]

18 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

I mind hearing Gough quadrupled his wages when he went from spurs to rangers. Mental

Financial doping pretty much.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

54 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

Don't think Gough signed for Spurs until August 86 which obv would be after the Hearts collapse. He signed for deadco a year later, supposedly saying he wanted to move back up the road for "family reasons".

I think there was talk at the time of the initial transfer that der Hun wanted to buy him from DU but Wee Jum wasn't keen on selling him to what at that point would have been a direct rival so the huns and Spurs supposedly came to an arrangement where he'd head down to London and Rangers would buy him a year later giving Spurs a tidy profit on the deal (think they doubled their money on him).

Where Levein came into this is anyone's guess

Just had something in the back of my mind that Levein was maybe mentioned as the stop gap during Gough's Spurs bridge.  Essentially jambo fans were looking for excuses at the time why Levein who'd been influential in getting them to potentially winning the league was particularly shite in the final game against Albert Kidd FC, if he played at all?  And its not like HunFC were in the way of tapping anyone anway.   

[Daisy1903]

5 hours ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

Just had something in the back of my mind that Levein was maybe mentioned as the stop gap during Gough's Spurs bridge.  Essentially jambo fans were looking for excuses at the time why Levein who'd been influential in getting them to potentially winning the league was particularly shite in the final game against Albert Kidd FC, if he played at all?  And its not like HunFC were in the way of tapping anyone anway.   

Graham Hogg (think that was his name) was a courier driver at an old place I worked. Didn't like Levein much

[Guest Matt Armstrong's Dog]

11 minutes ago, Daisy1903 said:

Graham Hogg (think that was his name) was a courier driver at an old place I worked. Didn't like Levein much

Graeme Hogg and Craig Levein had a scrap once upon a time while they were both playing for Hearts in a pre-season friendly IIRC.

[maryhilldon]

6 minutes ago, Matt Armstrong's Dog said:

Graeme Hogg and Craig Levein had a scrap once upon a time while they were both playing for Hearts in a pre-season friendly IIRC.

Yep, think Levein punched him.

[Guest Matt Armstrong's Dog]

3 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Yep, think Levein punched him.

Good recall min.👍

[milne_afc]

 

16 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Yep, think Levein punched him.

The Craig Leven retirement from playing announcement is one of the funniest things I’ve ever watched. Sadly not available on YouTube.

 

”all ma hopes n dreams have been snatched away 😭😭😭”

😂😂😂