Facts and figures

[Edwin Starr]

It's genocide alright.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker&ved=2ahUKEwiwjbnSlfSIAxV0XUEAHaAUBl4QFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1UmrL1kXHc0235ahoY4Awa

[BrianFaePerth]

You a fan of the Israelis buc?

[Subterranean Homesick Roos]

31 minutes ago, Edwin Starr said:

It's genocide alright.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker&ved=2ahUKEwiwjbnSlfSIAxV0XUEAHaAUBl4QFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1UmrL1kXHc0235ahoY4Awa

Plenty on here don’t seem to think so (see mongs such as the porn addict) 

But yes it’s a genocide, perpetrated by the scum using thousands of war crimes. Backed (even encouraged) by the west 

‘If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor’

The world is fucked 

[Parklife]

17 minutes ago, Subterranean Homesick Roos said:

 

 

 

 

‘If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor’

 

Change "neutral" to "ambivalent" and it's the fatman in his own words. 

[Subterranean Homesick Roos]

 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

The figures are appalling, but there is no moral equivalence between Israel's action and those of Hamas on Oct 7th.

Civilian deaths are inevitable if a combatant seeks to use them as human shields.  If Israel could kill Hamas / Hezbollah without civilian deaths they would; but for the terrorists, civilian deaths are desired to continue to fuel the conflict, for propaganda and to get their next generation of embittered recruits.

Although their death toll was lower, Hamas sheer glee in killing innocent civilians / families in the most painful and horrible ways as possible - even recording themselves doing it - is morally much worse than Israel's action, as intent is a big part of morality.

This conflict shows the inadequacy of both Islam and Judaism, in that never have capacity to seek or offer forgiveness.  Neither can love their neighbour, much less their enemy.  Both are always concerned with revenge.  Yet, the Christian principles I mention are the only thing which will ever resolve this conflict in a satisfactory way.  If a lasting peace was achievable in Northern Ireland, it should be achievable here too.

In another story, I see a Yazidi woman who was kidnapped by ISIS has been freed after 10 years of captivity in Gaza (starting when she was 11).  An wee reminder of the kind of people we are discussing.  They are not all innocent little lambs.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/4/yazidi-woman-rescued-from-gaza-10-years-after-being-taken-captive-by-isil

I still don't get the anger of Gaza etc, in contrast to the total silence in the face of Islamic (real) genocides in Nigeria and Iraq.  The muslims obviously have double standards, but, for non-muslims, I guess it shows the power of the media.

Westerners also have double standards - after terror attacks on 9/11, NATO invaded a country and occupied it for years, then f*cked off leaving a mess.  Israel's retaliation is comparable, yet only one instance generated outrage.

Interesting that the Trump administration had almost succeed in normalising Israeli relations with the arab states.  Yet, the weakness and incompetence of the democrats has allowed Iran to undo much of the progress which had been made, culminating in this current war.

 

 

[dave_min]

Cigarette lighters were invented before matches

[Parklife]

13 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

The figures are appalling, but there is no moral equivalence between Israel's action and those of Hamas on Oct 7th.

Civilian deaths are inevitable if a combatant seeks to use them as human shields.  If Israel could kill Hamas / Hezbollah without civilian deaths they would; but for the terrorists, civilian deaths are desired to continue to fuel the conflict, for propaganda and to get their next generation of embittered recruits.

Although their death toll was lower, Hamas sheer glee in killing innocent civilians / families in the most painful and horrible ways as possible - even recording themselves doing it - is morally much worse than Israel's action, as intent is a big part of morality.

This conflict shows the inadequacy of both Islam and Judaism, in that never have capacity to seek or offer forgiveness.  Neither can love their neighbour, much less their enemy.  Both are always concerned with revenge.  Yet, the Christian principles I mention are the only thing which will ever resolve this conflict in a satisfactory way.  If a lasting peace was achievable in Northern Ireland, it should be achievable here too.

In another story, I see a Yazidi woman who was kidnapped by ISIS has been freed after 10 years of captivity in Gaza (starting when she was 11).  An wee reminder of the kind of people we are discussing.  They are not all innocent little lambs.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/4/yazidi-woman-rescued-from-gaza-10-years-after-being-taken-captive-by-isil

I still don't get the anger of Gaza etc, in contrast to the total silence in the face of Islamic (real) genocides in Nigeria and Iraq.  The muslims obviously have double standards, but, for non-muslims, I guess it shows the power of the media.

Westerners also have double standards - after terror attacks on 9/11, NATO invaded a country and occupied it for years, then f*cked off leaving a mess.  Israel's retaliation is comparable, yet only one instance generated outrage.

Interesting that the Trump administration had almost succeed in normalising Israeli relations with the arab states.  Yet, the weakness and incompetence of the democrats has allowed Iran to undo much of the progress which had been made, culminating in this current war.

 

 

NRT^ 

 

[Edwin Starr]

1 hour ago, BrianFaePerth said:

You a fan of the Israelis buc?

No .

[Edwin Starr]

14 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

The figures are appalling, but there is no moral equivalence between Israel's action and those of Hamas on Oct 7th.

Civilian deaths are inevitable if a combatant seeks to use them as human shields.  If Israel could kill Hamas / Hezbollah without civilian deaths they would; but for the terrorists, civilian deaths are desired to continue to fuel the conflict, for propaganda and to get their next generation of embittered recruits.

Although their death toll was lower, Hamas sheer glee in killing innocent civilians / families in the most painful and horrible ways as possible - even recording themselves doing it - is morally much worse than Israel's action, as intent is a big part of morality.

This conflict shows the inadequacy of both Islam and Judaism, in that never have capacity to seek or offer forgiveness.  Neither can love their neighbour, much less their enemy.  Both are always concerned with revenge.  Yet, the Christian principles I mention are the only thing which will ever resolve this conflict in a satisfactory way.  If a lasting peace was achievable in Northern Ireland, it should be achievable here too.

In another story, I see a Yazidi woman who was kidnapped by ISIS has been freed after 10 years of captivity in Gaza (starting when she was 11).  An wee reminder of the kind of people we are discussing.  They are not all innocent little lambs.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/4/yazidi-woman-rescued-from-gaza-10-years-after-being-taken-captive-by-isil

I still don't get the anger of Gaza etc, in contrast to the total silence in the face of Islamic (real) genocides in Nigeria and Iraq.  The muslims obviously have double standards, but, for non-muslims, I guess it shows the power of the media.

Westerners also have double standards - after terror attacks on 9/11, NATO invaded a country and occupied it for years, then f*cked off leaving a mess.  Israel's retaliation is comparable, yet only one instance generated outrage.

Interesting that the Trump administration had almost succeed in normalising Israeli relations with the arab states.  Yet, the weakness and incompetence of the democrats has allowed Iran to undo much of the progress which had been made, culminating in this current war.

 

 

Why do you wright a book a lot on here CS ,

This isn't good for my dyslexia. 

[BrianFaePerth]

2 minutes ago, Edwin Starr said:

No .

Anti-semitism doesn’t suit you buc

[Subterranean Homesick Roos]

34 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

The figures are appalling, but there is no moral equivalence between Israel's action and those of Hamas on Oct 7th.

Civilian deaths are inevitable if a combatant seeks to use them as human shields.  If Israel could kill Hamas / Hezbollah without civilian deaths they would; but for the terrorists, civilian deaths are desired to continue to fuel the conflict, for propaganda and to get their next generation of embittered recruits.

Although their death toll was lower, Hamas sheer glee in killing innocent civilians / families in the most painful and horrible ways as possible - even recording themselves doing it - is morally much worse than Israel's action, as intent is a big part of morality.

This conflict shows the inadequacy of both Islam and Judaism, in that never have capacity to seek or offer forgiveness.  Neither can love their neighbour, much less their enemy.  Both are always concerned with revenge.  Yet, the Christian principles I mention are the only thing which will ever resolve this conflict in a satisfactory way.  If a lasting peace was achievable in Northern Ireland, it should be achievable here too.

In another story, I see a Yazidi woman who was kidnapped by ISIS has been freed after 10 years of captivity in Gaza (starting when she was 11).  An wee reminder of the kind of people we are discussing.  They are not all innocent little lambs.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/4/yazidi-woman-rescued-from-gaza-10-years-after-being-taken-captive-by-isil

I still don't get the anger of Gaza etc, in contrast to the total silence in the face of Islamic (real) genocides in Nigeria and Iraq.  The muslims obviously have double standards, but, for non-muslims, I guess it shows the power of the media.

Westerners also have double standards - after terror attacks on 9/11, NATO invaded a country and occupied it for years, then f*cked off leaving a mess.  Israel's retaliation is comparable, yet only one instance generated outrage.

Interesting that the Trump administration had almost succeed in normalising Israeli relations with the arab states.  Yet, the weakness and incompetence of the democrats has allowed Iran to undo much of the progress which had been made, culminating in this current war.

 

 

You should be worried when @Beachend Bootboy  is upvoting you 

it means you’re a bit of a cunt 

[cheesepipes]

I woke up today thinking.......I really hope there's another thread discussing Israel.

 

Thanks Eddie 

[NEM]

5 minutes ago, cheesepipes said:

I woke up today thinking.......I really hope there's another thread discussing Israel.

 

Thanks Eddie 

Yet zero threads discussing Yemen.  Funny that

[Don Fonte]

1 hour ago, Edwin Starr said:

Why do you wright a book a lot on here CS ,

This isn't good for my dyslexia. 

Because he's an absolute prick Eduardo min.

He's a repressed homosexual and feels very bitter at the world because of it, he's best avoided.

[cheesepipes]

The big question on everyone's lips is will the song Noel Noel get cancelled due to it's ties with Israel.

Probably.

Along with Baa Baa Black Sheep and the faggot version of Fairytale of NY.

[manboobs109]

3 hours ago, Edwin Starr said:

It's genocide alright.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker&ved=2ahUKEwiwjbnSlfSIAxV0XUEAHaAUBl4QFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1UmrL1kXHc0235ahoY4Awa

42k people in 12 months? By my maths it'll take them about 40 years to complete their "genocide" 

They are obviously shit at it. 

[Subterranean Homesick Roos]

10 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

42k people  

upload photos

[Edwin Starr]

2 hours ago, BrianFaePerth said:

Anti-semitism doesn’t suit you buc

I hate wars Brian.

 

Every time a young man or girl die during a conflict destroys not only that life but his immediate family for the rest of their lives .

I just hope I can live to see world piece 🙏.

 

War is stupid and people are stupid.

[Subterranean Homesick Roos]

16 minutes ago, Edwin Starr said:

I hate wars Brian.

 

Every time a young man or girl die during a conflict destroys not only that life but his immediate family for the rest of their lives .

I just hope I can live to see world piece 🙏.

 

War is stupid and people are stupid.

This is the end game Buc

Enjoy the time you have left 

[Guest Matt Armstrong's Dog]

3 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

The figures are appalling, but there is no moral equivalence between Israel's action and those of Hamas on Oct 7th.

Civilian deaths are inevitable if a combatant seeks to use them as human shields.  If Israel could kill Hamas / Hezbollah without civilian deaths they would; but for the terrorists, civilian deaths are desired to continue to fuel the conflict, for propaganda and to get their next generation of embittered recruits.

Although their death toll was lower, Hamas sheer glee in killing innocent civilians / families in the most painful and horrible ways as possible - even recording themselves doing it - is morally much worse than Israel's action, as intent is a big part of morality.

This conflict shows the inadequacy of both Islam and Judaism, in that never have capacity to seek or offer forgiveness.  Neither can love their neighbour, much less their enemy.  Both are always concerned with revenge.  Yet, the Christian principles I mention are the only thing which will ever resolve this conflict in a satisfactory way.  If a lasting peace was achievable in Northern Ireland, it should be achievable here too.

In another story, I see a Yazidi woman who was kidnapped by ISIS has been freed after 10 years of captivity in Gaza (starting when she was 11).  An wee reminder of the kind of people we are discussing.  They are not all innocent little lambs.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/4/yazidi-woman-rescued-from-gaza-10-years-after-being-taken-captive-by-isil

I still don't get the anger of Gaza etc, in contrast to the total silence in the face of Islamic (real) genocides in Nigeria and Iraq.  The muslims obviously have double standards, but, for non-muslims, I guess it shows the power of the media.

Westerners also have double standards - after terror attacks on 9/11, NATO invaded a country and occupied it for years, then f*cked off leaving a mess.  Israel's retaliation is comparable, yet only one instance generated outrage.

Interesting that the Trump administration had almost succeed in normalising Israeli relations with the arab states.  Yet, the weakness and incompetence of the democrats has allowed Iran to undo much of the progress which had been made, culminating in this current war.

 

 

👏👏

[manboobs109]

5 hours ago, Parklife said:

Change "neutral" to "ambivalent" and it's the fatman in his own words. 

Genuine question, why has the word "ambivalent" annoyed you so much?

I'm worried I've misused it now.

[Dons79]

2 hours ago, manboobs109 said:

42k people in 12 months? By my maths it'll take them about 40 years to complete their "genocide" 

They are obviously shit at it. 

Said by the terrorists that you don’t trust, figures are from hamas, and seen as it’s the only conflict that’s not allowed journalists in, (in any conflict ever, wonder why?) then the figure could be anything!, the figures of 40thousand dead were reported almost in the first 3 months of conflict, so many many megatons of bombs and idf incursions has produced 0 deaths in the last 8 month after? I think not. Many many more dead that’s been reported. It’s just no verification can take place because it’s either the word of hamas(untrustworthy) or Isreal (untrustworthy). 

[Guest Matt Armstrong's Dog]

1 minute ago, Dons79 said:

Said by the terrorists that you don’t trust, figures are from hamas, and seen as it’s the only conflict that’s not allowed journalists in, (in any conflict ever, wonder why?) then the figure could be anything!, the figures of 40thousand dead were reported almost in the first 3 months of conflict, so many many megatons of bombs and idf incursions has produced 0 deaths in the last 8 month after? I think not. Many many more dead that’s been reported. It’s just no verification can take place because it’s either the word of hamas(untrustworthy) or Isreal (untrustworthy). 

You've contradicted your last point min.

[chief_wiggum]

1 hour ago, Edwin Starr said:

 

 

War is stupid and people are stupid.

Hated Culture Club

[Parklife]

12 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Genuine question, why has the word "ambivalent" annoyed you so much?

I'm worried I've misused it now.

It's not annoyed me at all. 

[Subterranean Homesick Roos]

35 minutes ago, Dons79 said:

Said by the terrorists that you don’t trust, figures are from hamas, and seen as it’s the only conflict that’s not allowed journalists in, (in any conflict ever, wonder why?) then the figure could be anything!, the figures of 40thousand dead were reported almost in the first 3 months of conflict, so many many megatons of bombs and idf incursions has produced 0 deaths in the last 8 month after? I think not. Many many more dead that’s been reported. It’s just no verification can take place because it’s either the word of hamas(untrustworthy) or Isreal (untrustworthy). 

Dead will be 200k+/-

Not far off the correct figure of “The Holocaust” 

[Subterranean Homesick Roos]

29 minutes ago, chief_wiggum said:

Hated Culture Club

Preferred Cafe Bardots 

[Edwin Starr]

38 minutes ago, chief_wiggum said:

Hated Culture Club

Good song CW.

[Edwin Starr]

4 hours ago, Don Fonte said:

Because he's an absolute prick Eduardo min.

He's a repressed homosexual and feels very bitter at the world because of it, he's best avoided.

Not sure what to say Don.😬