Redeveloping Pittodrie - Options

[dave_min]

23 minutes ago, Red Clive 1995 said:

Toonsers only Ken 9 till 5 and only yoke 5 days a wik. Tuechtars could get the stadium sorted in a month nae bother. 

Sounds like a terrible work/life balance.

[Topi Kat]

31 minutes ago, NEM said:

£4.5 million

Jesus - you couldn't get the seats for that nowadays!

[Topi Kat]

25 minutes ago, Red Clive 1995 said:

Toonsers only Ken 9 till 5 and only yoke 5 days a wik. Tuechtars could get the stadium sorted in a month nae bother. 

Fit? That's modern day slave labour min!!

[madjockmcferson]

not happening. hemmed in by housing and the main stand will always be limited in size. we have to move. every quid spent on this thing is a quid not spent on the squad or a new stadium. its pathetic. 

[davieb]

1 hour ago, madjockmcferson said:

not happening. hemmed in by housing and the main stand will always be limited in size. we have to move. every quid spent on this thing is a quid not spent on the squad or a new stadium. its pathetic. 

Be cheaper to buy the housing and re-develop going by the latest costing to build a new stadium

[madjockmcferson]

1 hour ago, davieb said:

Be cheaper to buy the housing and re-develop going by the latest costing to build a new stadium

gonna assume we were never able to build there, even prior to them being turned into apartments, due to the road. same for the main stand. 

its just not feasible to rebuild pittodrie on its current site sadly. 

[robbojunior]

2 minutes ago, madjockmcferson said:

gonna assume we were never able to build there, even prior to them being turned into apartments, due to the road. same for the main stand. 

its just not feasible to rebuild pittodrie on its current site sadly. 

Nothing is impossible.

[madjockmcferson]

Just now, robbojunior said:

Nothing is impossible.

we arent going to buy all those apartments and knock them down. aint happening. 

[robbojunior]

2 minutes ago, madjockmcferson said:

we arent going to buy all those apartments and knock them down. aint happening. 

 

I didn't say we would.

I meant it is not impossible to redevelop pittodrie

[ab24_5qh]

It is entirely possible to redevelop Pittodrie, creating 3 new stands to the height of the lower rds, however, it is the least efficient and most expensive option....therefore not the preferred one.

[davieb]

5 minutes ago, ab24_5qh said:

It is entirely possible to redevelop Pittodrie, creating 3 new stands to the height of the lower rds, however, it is the least efficient and most expensive option....therefore not the preferred one.

Ive heard this reported a few times, but were there ever actual figures mentioned? The last I heard it'll be 80 million plus for a new stadium, that's just not possible!

[Red Clive 1995]

3 hours ago, Topi Kat said:

Fit? That's modern day slave labour min!!

Ken. Soft city pussys.

[ab24_5qh]

18 minutes ago, davieb said:

Ive heard this reported a few times, but were there ever actual figures mentioned? The last I heard it'll be 80 million plus for a new stadium, that's just not possible!

It is just basic building economics. Doing things in stages reduces economy of scale benefits whilst at the same time reducing income from gate receipts during the transition (probably a three season process). It also means you can't take any advantage from buying land cheap (or working in partnership with the council) then selling Pittodrie on a commercial basis....although this may no longer be as advantageous with the current housing market in Aberdeen.

[davieb]

13 minutes ago, ab24_5qh said:

It is just basic building economics. Doing things in stages reduces economy of scale benefits whilst at the same time reducing income from gate receipts during the transition (probably a three season process). It also means you can't take any advantage from buying land cheap (or working in partnership with the council) then selling Pittodrie on a commercial basis....although this may no longer be as advantageous with the current housing market in Aberdeen.

So there hasn't actually been a cost analysis done? Not entirely convinced "economies of scale benefits" really come into it when the proposed project is £80 million plus and selling Pittodrie wouldn't cover a quarter of the cost and working in "partnership with the council" will never happen.

[ab24_5qh]

31 minutes ago, davieb said:

So there hasn't actually been a cost analysis done? Not entirely convinced "economies of scale benefits" really come into it when the proposed project is £80 million plus and selling Pittodrie wouldn't cover a quarter of the cost and working in "partnership with the council" will never happen.

I would be amazed if the club had not costed the option at some point, but don't know for sure. That said, I have zero doubt that it would be a move expensive option.

[Ke1t]

C'mon... no-one's working 5 days a week anymore, surely? 

1 hour ago, madjockmcferson said:

we arent going to buy all those apartments and knock them down. aint happening. 

I mean, if there were an infestation of rats or a fish-processing plant were to be built next to them you could probably get them at a knock-down price. 

[Ke1t]

Also, once again, turn Seaton Park into a modern stadium with bars, restaurants, weed shops, and strip joints adjacent. 

It might disgruntle a few jakies and druggies, but progress is inevitable. 

Maybe build a wee Jakie Centre that they can go be jakies and druggies in, stick it off in the far corner away from the normies. 

 

[robbojunior]

30 minutes ago, ab24_5qh said:

I would be amazed if the club had not costed the option at some point, but don't know for sure. That said, I have zero doubt that it would be a move expensive option.

I'd be amazed if they'd looked into this in any serious detail recently. Perhaps years ago before they conceived Kingsford but things have changed. If the club had £80m in the bank then yes a new stadium would be the best option, but they don't and have no realistic means of raising that amount. Therefore a stand by stand redevelopent of Pittodrie whilst possibly more expensive in total, is more realistic to raise funds for phase by phase.

Like I said nothing is impossible and if I were Cormack I'd be looking again at outline design options for redeveloping Pittodrie. I struggle to believe there is no possible solution.

Rebuild the main stand first, over the road, widen the pitch to uefa category 4 size and bobs your uncle.

[ab24_5qh]

39 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

Also, once again, turn Seaton Park into a modern stadium with bars, restaurants, weed shops, and strip joints adjacent. 

It might disgruntle a few jakies and druggies, but progress is inevitable. 

Maybe build a wee Jakie Centre that they can go be jakies and druggies in, stick it off in the far corner away from the normies. 

 

Nah, Duthie park would be a better. A cold match followed by a walk around the winter gardens.

[Topi Kat]

42 minutes ago, robbojunior said:

I'd be amazed if they'd looked into this in any serious detail recently. Perhaps years ago before they conceived Kingsford but things have changed. If the club had £80m in the bank then yes a new stadium would be the best option, but they don't and have no realistic means of raising that amount. Therefore a stand by stand redevelopent of Pittodrie whilst possibly more expensive in total, is more realistic to raise funds for phase by phase.

Like I said nothing is impossible and if I were Cormack I'd be looking again at outline design options for redeveloping Pittodrie. I struggle to believe there is no possible solution.

Rebuild the main stand first, over the road, widen the pitch to uefa category 4 size and bobs your uncle.

There was a host of reasons given for the benefits of building a new stadium. Not to say that redeveloping your current one isn't impossible, but one of the biggest was the reduction in funds from selling Pittodrie as development land. Of course, land is cheaper than it was 10-15 years ago, but I think we'd still get a decent wedge.

If the decision and info we get from the club is we've decided to put the new beach stadium on hold for 5 years and then re-evaluate, then I'm cool with that if we can get some ROI mods done to Pittodrie, such as safe standing, better facilities, supporter bar. These things wouldn't take much to set up but improve the experience for us all.

[RDS]

44 minutes ago, robbojunior said:

I'd be amazed if they'd looked into this in any serious detail recently. Perhaps years ago before they conceived Kingsford but things have changed. If the club had £80m in the bank then yes a new stadium would be the best option, but they don't and have no realistic means of raising that amount. Therefore a stand by stand redevelopent of Pittodrie whilst possibly more expensive in total, is more realistic to raise funds for phase by phase.

Like I said nothing is impossible and if I were Cormack I'd be looking again at outline design options for redeveloping Pittodrie. I struggle to believe there is no possible solution.

Rebuild the main stand first, over the road, widen the pitch to uefa category 4 size and bobs your uncle.

The pitch needs to be widened and lengthened to meet Category 3 or 4 as needs to be 105m X 68m and currently listed at 100m X 66m

For finance we'll always need a mortgage or benefactor with very deep pockets

[RDS]

10 minutes ago, Topi Kat said:

There was a host of reasons given for the benefits of building a new stadium. Not to say that redeveloping your current one isn't impossible, but one of the biggest was the reduction in funds from selling Pittodrie as development land. Of course, land is cheaper than it was 10-15 years ago, but I think we'd still get a decent wedge.

 

Are you a Hun? Very strange wording to use "your stadium"

[ERNIE]

8 minutes ago, Topi Kat said:

There was a host of reasons given for the benefits of building a new stadium. Not to say that redeveloping your current one isn't impossible, but one of the biggest was the reduction in funds from selling Pittodrie as development land. Of course, land is cheaper than it was 10-15 years ago, but I think we'd still get a decent wedge.

If the decision and info we get from the club is we've decided to put the new beach stadium on hold for 5 years and then re-evaluate, then I'm cool with that if we can get some ROI mods done to Pittodrie, such as safe standing, better facilities, supporter bar. These things wouldn't take much to set up but improve the experience for us all.

I get the feeling Jimmy likes Pittodrie.Keskinen said he wanted to play at a proper stadium like Pittodrie.Its a unique setting that we probably don't appreciate as much cos we are used to it.

[aberdeen1970]

7 minutes ago, RDS said:

The pitch needs to be widened and lengthened to meet Category 3 or 4 as needs to be 105m X 68m and currently listed at 100m X 66m

This is easily achieved by knocking down the south stand and building one 6 feet further back then knocking down the merkland and moving it 15 feet further back. 

Using the corners more effectively would then reduce the impact on capacity 

[Topi Kat]

5 minutes ago, RDS said:

Are you a Hun? Very strange wording to use "your stadium"

No, but I'm also not illiterate. Your stadium as in anyone who has a stadium for which the want to redevelop.

[milne_afc]

2 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

This is easily achieved by knocking down the south stand and building one 6 feet further back then knocking down the merkland and moving it 15 feet further back. 

Using the corners more effectively would then reduce the impact on capacity 

Every stand could be moved and have increased capacity.

The club have to get the council onboard first. Project would self-fund with the correct vision. Burrows knows where to find me.

[RDS]

1 minute ago, aberdeen1970 said:

This is easily achieved by knocking down the south stand and building one 6 feet further back then knocking down the merkland and moving it 15 feet further back. 

Using the corners more effectively would then reduce the impact on capacity 

Wouldn't say it's easily achieved with rebuild of 2 stands would but certainly possible but at end of day always going to be driven by relative costs rather than engineering possibilities. I was replying to post that simply moving the Main Stand would be a remedy which it isn't 

[Topi Kat]

6 minutes ago, ERNIE said:

I get the feeling Jimmy likes Pittodrie.Keskinen said he wanted to play at a proper stadium like Pittodrie.Its a unique setting that we probably don't appreciate as much cos we are used to it.

Hardly a decent argument for us to stay put is it. Sure, it's got loadsa nostalgia and memories, is a bit quirky. But as a means of generating revenue for us, and that it's a wee bit of a dump (our dump I'll admit), a new build does make sense. I can't see any way we stay put and redevelop by knocking down 3 stands and building new ones. Footprint is an issue.

[RDS]

7 minutes ago, Topi Kat said:

No, but I'm also not illiterate. Your stadium as in anyone who has a stadium for which the want to redevelop.

You're certainly very touchy and stand by my comment that it's wording much more likely to be used by a non Dons fan. Regarding literacy your second sentence suggests definite room for improvement 😉 

[Topi Kat]

Very touchy? You just accused me of being a hun.