The Children And Young People (Scotland) Bill

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Is anyone else concerned about the new law - The Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill - which Holyrood will vote on on Feb 19th?

 

(It has perhaps been over-shadowed to some extent by independence and gay marriage.)

 

Essentially the law gives the state the right to appoint a 'state guardian' for every child under the age of 18. For example, it could be a head teacher or a social worker - but it cannot be the childs mother or father.

 

 

The individual, who would most likely be a social worker or head teacher, would have the legal right to ensure the child is raised in a government-approved manner and report any issues about their upbringing to the authorities.

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10214975/Lawyers-warn-against-Big-Brother-plans-to-give-every-Scottish-child-a-state-guardian.html

 

Essentially, the named guardian would be able to share information about the child with a range of other bodies and even make interventions into the childs life, without parental consent.

 

On one hand, Its obviously good that the state seeks to be interested in the welfare of young people -a hugely important matter - but this bill seems to be so much more than that.

 

The Law society has said the law could even be illegal under european human rights laws regarding the right to "private and family life".

 

Aidan O'Neil QC, an expert on european law, says the bill seems to assume that the primary relationship in a childs life is that with the state, rather than with his or her mother and father. He also says the bill is "universal in scope".

 

I would also argue that there have been many cases where the State (social work) has shown itself to be incompetent regarding child welfare (which has lead to deaths in some cases) and so should they not seek to master their current powers, before increasing them?

 

And with the exception of the basic law of the land, are people comfortable with the idea that there is a "government-approved" way to do something?

 

Is it not likely than this law will mainly interfere with / pry into the lives of ordinary, decent families (the majority) rather than improve the States performance in dealing with problematic or chaotic families (the minority)?

[Ke1t]

 

 

would have the legal right to ensure the child is raised in a government-approved manner and report any issues about their upbringing to the authorities.

 

Sounds like nothing more than scaremongering to me.

 

I notice the article neither cites the section of the Bill which mandates "raising a child in a government-approved manner", nor links to the Bill so people can see it for themselves.

 

Here's a link to the Bill, The Children and Young Persons (Scotland) Bill if anyone wants to take a look.

 

I'm not reading through that, though, but I'd be somewhat surprised to find a section within that Bill that mandates all children be raised in some kind of state-approved manner.

[swifty]

As a rule I'm against Government interference.

 

However, given the fact that some kids are being brought up by absolute fucking mutant parents, it's a good move to have a system of intervention in place.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Sounds like nothing more than scaremongering to me.

I thought you liked a bit of scaremongering!

I'm not reading through that, though,

You don't need to - what about the opinions of the Law Society and Aidan O'Neill QC?

[Clydeside_Sheep]

As a rule I'm against Government interference.

 

However, given the fact that some kids are being brought up by absolute fucking mutant parents, it's a good move to have a system of intervention in place.

 

Certainly Id like intervention to take place if needed, but its the universal nature of this which is unnerving to me.

[fifered]

 

Certainly Id like intervention to take place if needed, but its the universal nature of this which is unnerving to me.

Do you think the government/social work etc, have the time and resources to get involved in the welfare of kids they have no reason to, just for the hell of it? Nothin unnerving to me, lots of kids in hellish situations, if this makes it easier to help them great.

[Ke1t]

I thought you liked a bit of scaremongering!

You don't need to - what about the opinions of the Law Society and Aidan O'Neill QC?

 

I only like scaremongering when it pertains to UFOs, Mysterious Booms, DUMBS, The Illuminati, Flouride as a means of Mass Pacification, GMOs as a means to sterilise the populace, Chemtrails, Morgellan's, FEMA Camps, Project Bluebeam, and the coming collapse of human civilisation as a means for the Anti-Christ to create a one-world order, heralding the return of Jesus Christ and his Avenging Goblins of Righteousness and the Final Battle between Good and Evil™.

 

I've no idea who Aiden O'Neil QC might be, so his opinion means dick to me.

 

The Law Society... I'd need to see some credentials.

 

The easiest thing would be to show me the section that says children will/can/should be raised in a government approved manner... I don't need the 'experts' to read it for me, I can even manage the longer words if I'm allowed to move my lips.

[The Boofon]

 

I only like scaremongering when it pertains to UFOs, Mysterious Booms, DUMBS, The Illuminati, Flouride as a means of Mass Pacification, GMOs as a means to sterilise the populace, Chemtrails, Morgellan's, FEMA Camps, Project Bluebeam, and the coming collapse of human civilisation as a means for the Anti-Christ to create a one-world order, heralding the return of Jesus Christ and his Avenging Goblins of Righteousness and the Final Battle between Good and Evil™.

 

I've no idea who Aiden O'Neil QC might be, so his opinion means dick to me.

 

The Law Society... I'd need to see some credentials.

 

The easiest thing would be to show me the section that says children will/can/should be raised in a government approved manner... I don't need the 'experts' to read it for me, I can even manage the longer words if I'm allowed to move my lips.

Project Blue Beam looks like fun.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Beam

[Scrumpy]

In a 'government-approved manner'? Does that mean starting illegal wars, fidding expenses, nepotistic altruism, tax avoidance, and shafting the lower working class hard up the arse? I feel sorry for today's youth.

[davieb]

I thought you liked a bit of scaremongering!

You don't need to - what about the opinions of the Law Society and Aidan O'Neill QC?

 

The law society is an utterly corrupt organisation setup to look after their "own" at the expenses of the client.

 

No idea who Aidan O'Neil QC, but if he is a QC I'll wager he's another corrupt c@nt

[Ke1t]

 

The law society is an utterly corrupt organisation setup to look after their "own" at the expenses of the client.

 

No idea who Aidan O'Neil QC, but if he is a QC I'll wager he's another corrupt c@nt

 

QC makes me think of Masons, Huns, women called Senga, and people with muttochoppian moustache and sideburn combinations.