Betty Swallicks Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 23 hours ago, NEM said: Thanks for the kind offer but no need I'll be at the pub then the game with my exemption badge ? 23 hours ago, NEM said: I identify as double vaccinated. If its good enough for mentally ill blokes in dresses...... 22 hours ago, Roberto said: Chortle. I'll have my badge soon enough also. Cheers. Deary me. Wot a song n dunce (rolls eyes at the crrrrrazy rebels). Link to comment
zeroisgod76 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Tinyweelad said: Aye, it is mental. Don't take my word for it though. These comments, statements, utopian visions, are all out in the public domain as are the named person's business connections. That the MSM will never publish them is not my fault for your ignorance. You’re so far down the rabbit hole I’d be surprised if you’ve seen daylight the last 18 months. Link to comment
NEM Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Roberto said: Talking of crazy, how's getting MTs train times working out? That's weird behaviour. Aye he’s shat it from bazooka chin as well the big poof ? Link to comment
Crashnyploshnit Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 You’re vaccinated……….. You can still catch, carry & pass on the virus. What difference does it make who you pass it too, or catch it from ? The outcome is the same to you. “West Virginia is seeing a 26% increase in + cases in ppl that are fully vaccinated over the last 8 weeks." ~ Governor of West Virginia How many shots before they stop calling it a vaccine ? People are going to be more like a human pincushion. Soon they'll have to market it as acupuncture. 2 Link to comment
Bamber Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 50 minutes ago, Crashnyploshnit said: You’re vaccinated……….. You can still catch, carry & pass on the virus. What difference does it make who you pass it too, or catch it from ? The outcome is the same to you. “West Virginia is seeing a 26% increase in + cases in ppl that are fully vaccinated over the last 8 weeks." ~ Governor of West Virginia How many shots before they stop calling it a vaccine ? People are going to be more like a human pincushion. Soon they'll have to market it as acupuncture. Try the full statement. 0.44% of those fully vaccinated have had breakthrough where they catch Covid while fully vaccinated. There is a 26%increase in that so what being generous 0.1%.maximum You do understand basic maths? If you measure % change against a very small number then your are Likely to get a big percentage deaths it’s a worse example they 21% increase in deaths ……….from a base of 0.007%. Have the 21% increase in death of double vaccinated if you want - feel free we’ll believe you that they are stacking coffins with such a massive increase first question with percentage. What’s the base number you are calculating against 1 Link to comment
Crashnyploshnit Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Bamber said: Try the full statement. 0.44% of those fully vaccinated have had breakthrough where they catch Covid while fully vaccinated. There is a 26%increase in that so what being generous 0.1%.maximum You do understand basic maths? If you measure % change against a very small number then your are Likely to get a big percentage deaths it’s a worse example they 21% increase in deaths ……….from a base of 0.007%. Have the 21% increase in death of double vaccinated if you want - feel free we’ll believe you that they are stacking coffins with such a massive increase first question with percentage. What’s the base number you are calculating against You need to ask the Governor of West Virginia. That’s why I used quotation marks as these are his figures not mine. I agree with you though he didn’t clarify the base number that he used to compare this against. Nevertheless, there is still an increase no matter how small. This shows that the vaccine is not as effective as originally thought. Link to comment
Crashnyploshnit Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 24 minutes ago, G31DON said: Fucking Canadians Don’t you just love us? 1 Link to comment
G31DON Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 You do understand Bamber's point though right? If 1 person dies, then 1 more, there has been a 100% increase in deaths. Only 2 people, but 100% more which makes it look terrible. Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Like saying our striker now is aiming to double our top scorer last year. Looks good on the surface. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 14 hours ago, Crashnyploshnit said: How many shots before they stop calling it a vaccine ? People are going to be more like a human pincushion. Soon they'll have to market it as acupuncture. Deary me. A vaccination does not stop you catching or spreading the virus but gives you the anti-bodies to help fight the infection should you catch it. Thus you can still get an increase in positive cases, but should also see a proportionally smaller amount that leads to hospitalisation or death 1 Link to comment
Eugenefani Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Why did Bill Gates say we need to reduce the population of the world then promote and fund vaccine research to save everyone 1 Link to comment
frankie_mac's_4 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 38 minutes ago, Eugenefani said: Why did Bill Gates say we need to reduce the population of the world then promote and fund vaccine research to save everyone ? Are you serious? You canna understand how those points can be mutually exclusive? Ignoring your 'save everyone' embellishment nonsense Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Eugenefani said: Why did Bill Gates say we need to reduce the population of the world then promote and fund vaccine research to save everyone You can achieve both. if the reproduction rate is below 2, the world population will retract whilst still being able to care for the current population Link to comment
Crashnyploshnit Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 They're not "vaccine passports," they're movement licenses. It's not a vaccine, it's experimental gene therapy. "Lockdown" is at best completely pointless universal medical isolation and at worst ubiquitous public incarceration. Call things what they are, not their euphemisms. Link to comment
Guest milne_afc Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Crashnyploshnit said: They're not "vaccine passports," they're movement licenses. It's not a vaccine, it's experimental gene therapy. "Lockdown" is at best completely pointless universal medical isolation and at worst ubiquitous public incarceration. Call things what they are, not their euphemisms. You’re a fucking knob Link to comment
Yorston Vasey Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 6 hours ago, Crashnyploshnit said: Call things what they are, not their euphemisms. 27 minutes ago, milne_afc said: You’re a fucking knob ? Link to comment
Crashnyploshnit Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 40 minutes ago, milne_afc said: You’re a fucking knob Sorry - I don’t believe anything this guy says. Link to comment
DD1903 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 7 hours ago, Crashnyploshnit said: They're not "vaccine passports," they're movement licenses. It's not a vaccine, it's experimental gene therapy. "Lockdown" is at best completely pointless universal medical isolation and at worst ubiquitous public incarceration. Call things what they are, not their euphemisms. What genetic disorders are the vaccines fixing ? Link to comment
red kelly Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 11 hours ago, Crashnyploshnit said: They're not "vaccine passports," they're movement licenses. It's not a vaccine, it's experimental gene therapy. "Lockdown" is at best completely pointless universal medical isolation and at worst ubiquitous public incarceration. Call things what they are, not their euphemisms. check out south australia. more orwellian by the day. id just like to add, whats to stop china doing this again and again. https://www.itnews.com.au/news/sa-govt-trials-home-quarantine-app-with-facial-recognition-gps-tracking-568979 2 Link to comment
Crashnyploshnit Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 3 hours ago, red kelly said: check out south australia. more orwellian by the day. id just like to add, whats to stop china doing this again and again.https://www.itnews.com.au/news/sa-govt-trials-home-quarantine-app-with-facial-recognition-gps-tracking-568979 That’s exactly what I’m getting at. The so called passport Ian’s lockdowns are a control mechanism. Too many are just accepting that their governments are doing the right thing and not questioning the bigger picture. 1 Link to comment
Bamber Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Just out of interest have you ever read about the spanish flu our last worldwide pandemic? They used lockdowns , enforced quarantine, even sprayed the streets with disinfectent, the close areas of high close population like cinemas there are more similarities with how we hadnled spanish flu than differences. The second wave killed more than the first. So many worries about the long term impact of covid limitations. yet the last time we did anything similar it lasted the 4 years that spanish flu and most other pandemics lasted. A cartoon/poster of the time said "dont talk to anyone, dont go near anyone and you are safe" No doubt. But is that not a little difficult". The pictures on the cartoon include a picture advising "avoid crowded streets" "dont go on trains or buses - in fact walk" "dont get tired" "dont speak to anyone who has signs of a cold" "dont take a taxi" and "Notice to aircraft dont come near" That cartoon could have been produced today the advice lasted months and then disappeared as will this Its not like we have never seen this before - and none of the limitations lasted and they were convinced that this was all a government plot in fact swap chinese for spanish and we are spot on Link to comment
maryhilldon Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Bamber said: So many worries about the long term impact of covid limitations. yet the last time we did anything similar it lasted the 4 years that spanish flu and most other pandemics lasted. I watched a docu about the Spanish flu, it was only about 1 year from start to finish. Link to comment
Bamber Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, maryhilldon said: I watched a docu about the Spanish flu, it was only about 1 year from start to finish. maybe in europe it started early 1918 probably 1917 and New York had an outbreak in mid 1920 there were other outbreaks of other diseases in the 1920s that could directly and indirectly traced to the spanish flu oh Rosie and JIm - love em often narrow boat holiday - as does son - gives me chance to read and formulate my own opinions Link to comment
Bamber Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: Spanish flu was also a much more deadly virus than Covid-19, so I'd suggest theres not really parallels to be made in many regards. so ok lets go with this - a lot more deadly required stricter more harsher conditions than we face that required more impact on our liberties controlling the populace harder than we are. Emerging from a war and easier to control than this internet linked society and yet all controls just disappeared . even arguements against arguements are so full of holes that a chees maker would be impressed Link to comment
elephantstone78 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: Spanish flu was also a much more deadly virus than Covid-19, so I'd suggest theres not really parallels to be made in many regards. Good to see you back young chap. Link to comment
Guest Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 56 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: Spanish flu was also a much more deadly virus than Covid-19, so I'd suggest theres not really parallels to be made in many regards. There's one discernible difference that you're all missing when comparing the Spanish Flu and Covid. Spanish flu was actually real. Not a man made virus from a lab in China, designed years in advance of it's release with multiple Government plans of how it was going to be rolled out. If not for social media, the internet and 24 hour news channels, coupled with testing everyone to within an inch of their life, no one would know Covid was even a 'thing'. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, maryhilldon said: I watched a docu about the Spanish flu, it was only about 1 year from start to finish. 1 hour ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: Spanish flu was also a much more deadly virus than Covid-19, so I'd suggest theres not really parallels to be made in many regards. Brief historical overview of 1918 Spanish influenza The 1918 Spanish influenza is caused by an H1N1 influenza A virus postulated to be of avian origin.2 The 1918 Spanish influenza lasted from 1918 to 1920 and consisted of four waves. The first wave lasted approximately from 15 February 1918 to 1 June 1918; the second lasted approximately from 1 August 1918 to 2 December 1918; the third lasted approximately from 3 December 1918 to 30 April 1919; and the fourth wave lasted approximately from 1 December 1919 to 30 April 1920.3 It infected about 500 million people, roughly one-third of the world’s population at that time, and resulted in the deaths of 50 million, including 675 000 Americans.2The first public news of the epidemic appeared in Madrid on 22 May 1918 in Madrid’s ABC newspaper; hence, it became known as the Spanish influenza.4 However, there is no definite evidence of origination, and most epidemiologists and virologists believe that the virus originated in either the USA or France.4 A week later on 28 May 1918, King Alfonso XIII, the Prime Minister and some cabinet members became ill.4As the influenza spread, basic services such as the postal service, telegraph services and some banks were forced to temporarily close operations.4 Comparison between COVID-19 and 1918 influenza First, the patient population differs. While the 1918 influenza killed a disproportionate number of 25–40 year olds, COVID-19 mostly affects those over the age of 65, especially those also with comorbidities.2 5 In particular, the mortality rate for the influenza rose to 8%–10% for younger people compared with a 2.5% overall mortality whereas the mortality rate for the 25–40-year-old age range is a mere 0.2% in contrast to the 2.4% overall mortality rate.2 5 Those aged 25–40 year olds accounted for 40% of deaths from the 1918 influenza, whereas those in the 18–44-year-old range account for only 3.9% of deaths from COVID-19.2 5 More countries were spared in the 1918 pandemic, whereas only the smaller Pacific Islands (Soloman Islands and Vanuata) remain COVID-19 free.2 6 The mortality rate for pregnant women with the Spanish influenza was 23%–37% and 26% of those who survived but lost their child, whereas the mortality rate of pregnant women with COVID-19 is unknown.2 7The Spanish influenza resulted in acute illness in 25%–30% of the world population, with over 50 million deaths, whereas COVID-19 has infected nearly 55 million to date, with 1.3 million deaths.2 5 In the USA alone, COVID-19 cases are at over 11 million as of 16 November 2020, which is nearly a 40% increase from the month prior.5 Second, the two diseases kill via different mechanisms. While those with the influenza died of secondary bacterial pneumonia, those with COVID-19 died from an overactive immune response that resulted in multiple organ failure.2 8 Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) can develop in both cases.2 8 As a complication from the influenza, ARDS had an 100% fatality rate compared with a 53.4% mortality rate as a complication from COVID-19.2 9 The projected economic impact of COVID-19 on the US economy is a $5.76–$6.17 trillion decrease in gross domestic product (GDP), based on Fitch Ratings and the US GDP according to the World Bank. The economic data during the 1918 pandemic is scarce, but it was noted that Mexico suffered a $9 billion loss.2 Diagnoses, treatments and vaccines were delayed in both cases. States developed different COVID-19 diagnostic tests, since the initial one by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) could not be confirmed. Currently, there are no COVID-19 treatments approved by the Food and Drug Administration, but antivirals like remdesivir, antibody and interleukin 33 blockers are currently under investigation. Vaccines are also in development. In 1918, bleeding was initially used as treatment, since such minimal progress had been made against pneumonia that even renowned William Osler still recommended it to relieve symptoms.2 In 1917, Dr Rufus Cole, Dr Oswald Avery and Dr Alphonse Dochez, with help from six other Rockefeller researchers, developed and tested a vaccination to prevent pneumonia caused by types I, II and III pneumococci. In March 1918, this vaccine was given to 12 000 troops on Long Island, with no vaccinated solder developing pneumonia from those strains. In contrast, 101 out of 19 000 soldiers serving as controls, developed pneumonia from those strains.2 Yet, since neither an influenza vaccine nor antibiotics to treat associated secondary bacterial infections were available, worldwide containment efforts relied heavily on isolation and quarantine similar to the current efforts against COVID-19.2 In terms of duration and origination, there is controversy over the origination of both viruses, and both consist of multiple waves. The 1918 influenza lasted 25 months, and may have originated in Spain, France or the USA with no definite evidence of origination.3 4 The first wave lasted approximately from 15 February 1918 to 1 June 1918 and the fourth and final wave lasted approximately from 1 December 1919 to 30 April 1920.3 COVID-19 originated in Wuhan China on 31 December 2019, with controversy over whether it originated in a wet market or at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Unlike in 1918, DNA sequencing of COVID-19 can predict whether infected individuals will be symptomatic or asymptomatic, based on a single base change (11 083G>T).10 Conclusions Both the COVID-19 and 1918 influenza pandemic similarly caused significant negative impacts on the global economy, affecting international relations and had considerable delay in its diagnosis, treatment and vaccines. The pandemics largely differed in the highest risk population and the mechanism of death. The 1918 influenza affected less than half of the countries and the most vulnerable groups are healthy adults between the ages of 25 years and 40 years, while COVID-19 has affected nearly all countries and the most vulnerable group are adults above 65 years of age with comorbidities. Victims of the 1918 influenza mostly died from secondary bacterial pneumonia, while victims of COVID-19 mostly died from an overactive immune response resulting in organ failure. The key major differences between the pandemics are highlighted in table 1. COLLAPSE INLINE VIEW POPUP Table 1 Summary of major differences: COVID-19 versus 1918 influenza COVID-19 1918 influenza Viral aetiology SARS-CoV-2 H1N1 influenza A virus Mortality rate 2.40% 2.50% Number of deaths 2.2 million 50 million Highest risk population 65+ with comorbidities 25–40 year olds Cause of death Overactive immune system leading to end organ failure Secondary bacterial infection Place of origin Wuhan (either in a wet market or Wuhan Institute of Virology) Haskell County, Kansas Virus type Coronavirus Orthomyxoviridae Economic impact $5.76 trillion–$6.17 trillion decrease in Gross Domestic Product (GDP) Minimal economic data, Mexico suffered a $9 billion loss Link to comment
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