Durrant Dived Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said: With his comparative budget to other clubs in the league he was bound to get lucky with a few but it must be said (especially considering his budgetary advantages) he got some real stinkers in there. I do like how you try to trivialise his dross as just ‘some’ yet his good ones as ‘an awful lot’ that would imply a far better hit than miss rate, when in actual fact it was far more heavily weighted towards dross/failures. Let's be honest every club regardless of budget has good and bad signings and all managers are guilty of signing flops at some point. Link to comment
thurso Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, fine-n-dandy said: No I’m saying he (& his team) were pretty shite as a whole in terms of signings but his scattergun method had a few hits. His main methodology of signings was terrible. Crocks & journey men for most part but he did get one or two good ones outwith that methodology. Like Rooney, McLean, Cosgrove, Logan, Shinnie. That is pretty much it really. when you consider how strong a hand he held compared to his ‘competition’ for signings. He was pretty much a failure for most part You said one or two and rattled of 5 and there is a lot more you left of that list. How many “crocks” did he actually sign. Link to comment
ThomohawkKid Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Broony on a night out wae eoghan O’Connell - what’s odds his names banded about now? Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Durrant Dived said: Let's be honest every club regardless of budget has good and bad signings and all managers are guilty of signing flops at some point. McInnes had a lot of lazy box ticking signings. Multiple hole fillers rather than specialists. 11 minutes ago, thurso said: You said one or two and rattled of 5 and there is a lot more you left of that list. How many “crocks” did he actually sign. That’s 5 in 8 years, maybe he had another couple I cannot think of right now but by fk he had more shite than good. Forrester, Gleeson, Tansey, Maynard, Main, May, Goodwillie, Kennedy, Ojo, (maybe McGeouch) Taylor (sure some will debate lol) Bryson, Storie, Stewart, this list goes on but not even onto loan signings yet where he also probably had more miss than hits. But maybe a slightly better ratio towards hits in them 1 Link to comment
thurso Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, fine-n-dandy said: McInnes had a lot of lazy box ticking signings. Multiple hole fillers rather than specialists. That’s 5 in 8 years, maybe he had another couple I cannot think of right now but by fk he had more shite than good. Forrester, Gleeson, Tansey, Maynard, Main, May, Goodwillie, Kennedy, Ojo, (maybe McGeouch) Taylor (sure some will debate lol) I’ll give you forrester, Gleason, tansey, Maynard, main, and ojo as shit. I’d put may goodwillie Kennedy mcgeouch and Taylor as average but your not naming his good signings Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, thurso said: I’ll give you forrester, Gleason, tansey, Maynard, main, and ojo as shit. I’d put may goodwillie Kennedy mcgeouch and Taylor as average but your not naming his good signings I named all the good ones I could think of. As I say though his loan signings record was probably a lil better than his ft signings record but I still think even that record was heavier weighted towards miss than hit Kennedy is nowhere near average, that is pushing it. Taylor whilst maybe slightly better second time around isn’t either imo. Goodwillie was a failure also Link to comment
The Gee Man Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 39 minutes ago, thurso said: Derek like most managers signed some dross but also signed an awful lot of good players Out of the final squad left what percentage would you say is “Good”? Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I’d like to see a FULL list of all McInnes signings. Or two even, one with ft signings & also loans. Just to have a decent look. But maybe best in McInnes thread for this Link to comment
Tord31 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, ThomohawkKid said: Broony on a night out wae eoghan O’Connell - what’s odds his names banded about now? Never heard of him but see he is out of contract. Rochdale captain? Due to be a better bet than Devlin Link to comment
thurso Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 31 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said: I named all the good ones I could think of. As I say though his loan signings record was probably a lil better than his ft signings record but I still think even that record was heavier weighted towards miss than hit Kennedy is nowhere near average, that is pushing it. Taylor whilst maybe slightly better second time around isn’t either imo. Goodwillie was a failure also So are you not counting loan signings as good signings as they don’t count as their not permanent and out of interest why are you classing goodwillie as a failure Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, thurso said: So are you not counting loan signings as good signings as they don’t count as their not permanent and out of interest why are you classing goodwillie as a failure I was only mentioning his main signings at first but feel free to be all inclusive as although his loan signings record is maybe a lil better (as it should be really as that generally comes from teams out with our budget) but it’s still not great IMO. Goodwillie was at very best an average signing but a failure in reality & expectations quite simply. Are you trying to say he was better than he was shift to correct thread if you really want to continue Link to comment
thurso Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 38 minutes ago, The Gee Man said: Out of the final squad left what percentage would you say is “Good”? Lewis, Hoban, Ferguson, mccrorie, hayes, McGinn probably mccgeouch won’t count the players who have come through the youth ranks 1 Link to comment
The Gee Man Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, thurso said: Lewis, Hoban, Ferguson, mccrorie, hayes, McGinn probably mccgeouch won’t count the players who have come through the youth ranks Wow Hoban certainly was released as not up to standard in the end! Even Hayes and McGinn had very poor seasons and in all honesty should not have been resigned imo! But still only 6.5 out of the squad so definitely a very very poor return and makes my initial point! Recruitment was sub standard Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, thurso said: Lewis, Hoban, Ferguson, mccrorie, hayes, McGinn probably mccgeouch won’t count the players who have come through the youth ranks Hayes & McGinn are Brown signings. if you want to class them as Mcinnes signings then you surely have to judge them as they are in terms of their second spells with us. Lazy ‘safe’ signings that have basically been a let down second time around for most part 1 Link to comment
ThomohawkKid Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 41 minutes ago, Tord31 said: Never heard of him but see he is out of contract. Rochdale captain? Due to be a better bet than Devlin Was a young lad wae Celtic. Played the odd first team game. Link to comment
ThomohawkKid Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Just read this on his wiki page and now am pretty convinced he’s a target. O'Connell plays as a centre back.[22] During his time with Celtic, the Herald Scotland described him as "an assured ball-playing centre-half with an air of calmness around him which has belied his lack of experience."[36] His manager at Celtic, Brendan Rodgers, said O'Connell had an "in-built brain for the game."[23] Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, ThomohawkKid said: Just read this on his wiki page and now am pretty convinced he’s a target. O'Connell plays as a centre back.[22] During his time with Celtic, the Herald Scotland described him as "an assured ball-playing centre-half with an air of calmness around him which has belied his lack of experience."[36] His manager at Celtic, Brendan Rodgers, said O'Connell had an "in-built brain for the game."[23] Played just 10 league games for a club relegated to the bottom tier of English football. No thanks. Link to comment
Tord31 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Where did you see they were out? insta? Link to comment
Durrant Dived Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, fine-n-dandy said: McInnes had a lot of lazy box ticking signings. Multiple hole fillers rather than specialists. So did Calderwood, McGhee, Paterson, Brown... Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Durrant Dived said: So did Calderwood, McGhee, Paterson, Brown... Of course they all did also. Probably as many if not more. Our recruitment has in general been extremely LAZY with very little actual work involved in terms of ‘eye for emerging talent’ for a long long time. So hopefully this is something we really are focusing on improving. Im not just blaming McInnes for his recruitment but end of day, he had final say & I am pretty sure he was very involved with them all. edit. That said. JET for example falls very snuggly into the above criteria Link to comment
ThomohawkKid Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Tord31 said: Where did you see they were out? insta? Yeah. Am no saying he’s any good just to clarify, just putting 2 n 2 together. Link to comment
GDON21 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 9 hours ago, DD1903 said: I think we should be going for McNamara in that case. Rooney has only really played 4 months this season, so a no from me McNamara went back to Millwall and won young player of the year in half a season and agreed a long term deal. Wouldn't go for Rooney personally, turned up n the big games but I have seen him plenty games getting the run around. Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, GDON21 said: McNamara went back to Millwall and won young player of the year in half a season and agreed a long term deal. Wouldn't go for Rooney personally, turned up n the big games but I have seen him plenty games getting the run around. He’s a flavour of the month player. He’s a big, honest trier, who’s had a great season, but he’s pretty limited. I wouldn’t want him. Link to comment
Durrant Dived Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 32 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said: Of course they all did also. Probably as many if not more. Our recruitment has in general been extremely LAZY with very little actual work involved in terms of ‘eye for emerging talent’ for a long long time. So hopefully this is something we really are focusing on improving. Im not just blaming McInnes for his recruitment but end of day, he had final say & I am pretty sure he was very involved with them all. edit. That said. JET for example falls very snuggly into the above criteria May as well add Glass to the list along with our next manager too. Yes our recruitment could be better but we will always sign players that end up being duds. Link to comment
Andy_123 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Someone had a list of all McInnes signings in another thread somewhere. His good and average signings combined were still outnumbered by the complete pish he brought in here over the years. 1 Link to comment
Redtaz2 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, Durrant Dived said: May as well add Glass to the list along with our next manager too. Yes our recruitment could be better but we will always sign players that end up being duds. Jesus that’s a depressing outlook Link to comment
DD1903 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, GDON21 said: McNamara went back to Millwall and won young player of the year in half a season and agreed a long term deal. Wouldn't go for Rooney personally, turned up n the big games but I have seen him plenty games getting the run around. Yeah I know. I was trying to make a point. Link to comment
Don Fonte Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, DD1903 said: Yeah I know. I was trying to make a point. And failed miserably. Well done. Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, DD1903 said: Yeah I know. I was trying to make a point. That was the GWT’s philosophy as well. as it became Mcinnes’s too Link to comment
Redtaz2 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Jack gurr who has been mentioned as a target , got a game tonight and lasted until 87min then red carded Link to comment
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