Joe pike Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Medw1311 said: If Chelsea qualify for the Champions League through the league does that affect things in any way? If St. Johnstone do get bumped up to the PO round I'd guess they would take Randers place and be Priority 1 for the draw where they would play a Priority 4 or 3 team. Have you got a maths degree? Fucking ridiculous system. 1 Link to comment
Tord31 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 apparently its confirmed now that st johnstone start in Europa QR3 Link to comment
Dynamo Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 So contrary to what was reported earlier this year, 3rd in the league/cup winners not guaranteed any group stages. Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 36 minutes ago, Tord31 said: apparently its confirmed now that st johnstone start in Europa QR3 Shame for them after what they achieved this season. We would be absolutely gutted had it been us matching their achievements edit. Only in terms of Europe, not cup wins Link to comment
Tord31 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Dynamo said: So contrary to what was reported earlier this year, 3rd in the league/cup winners not guaranteed any group stages. Correct. It was always an interpretation of what might happen. Some folk missed that point Link to comment
Medw1311 Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 Now confirmed that we won't be seeded for QR3, but we will be seeded for QR2. Link to comment
The Gee Man Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Typical and shows uefa are no different to the proposers of the ESL, it’s all about the top teams in their eyes too 1 Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Gee Man said: Typical and shows uefa are no different to the proposers of the ESL, it’s all about the top teams in their eyes too Over seeding is killing football Is there a single competition left that isn't seeded to the hilt? Same applies for most other sports 1 Link to comment
The Gee Man Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 I’d love to see a competition not rigged in Europe that could really show they are the best , even the world club tournament is a total farce as if Europe are the be all of football Link to comment
Medw1311 Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 Here's a dilemma... Providing we get through QR2 we will definitely be in the Play Off Round Draw so what would we prefer in QR3? 1) Drawn against one of the "easier" seeded teams (likes of Dundalk, Santa Clara, Pacos de Ferreira, Suduva Marijampole etc) and not be seeded in the PO Round 2) Drawn against one of the "harder" seeded teams (likes of Basel, Gent, Anderlecht, Astana, LASK, Feyenoord, Qarabag, FCSB etc) and should we somehow win we'd be seeded in the PO round. Seeded teams in the PO Round include the likes of Spurs, Roma & Villareal Link to comment
slippers Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Option 1 definitely. Get the shittest seed possible and play another poor team in playoffs. Being unseeded in the playoffs (if we made it) would be almost impossible even in this low tier competition. When I first heard of this tournement I wasn’t expecting quite the level of teams that there is. A lot of the teams in playoff round are similar level to Europa league. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, slippers said: When I first heard of this tournement I wasn’t expecting quite the level of teams that there is. A lot of the teams in playoff round are similar level to Europa league. That's because the real objective is to make sure as many teams from the bigger countries get European group stage football. They fully expect and want the teams from the smaller countries to get papped out in the qualifiers. Link to comment
thedandydon Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Still inexplicable why, with an additional tournament wedged in, we still have so many qualifying rounds to negotiate so early in the season. It is of course designed as a further safety net for the bigger clubs, diluting the competitions for those of us who qualify. You should get one shot in whichever one you start out in and thats it. Get humbled by Lincoln Red Imps in your CL qualifier, tough shit, yer oot. The fate of our Euro campaign lies squarely in getting a favourable draw so option 1 for me and just hope we catch a bigger club cold in the PO. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, thedandydon said: Still inexplicable why, with an additional tournament wedged in, we still have so many qualifying rounds to negotiate so early in the season. It is of course designed as a further safety net for the bigger clubs, diluting the competitions for those of us who qualify. You should get one shot in whichever one you start out in and thats it. Get humbled by Lincoln Red Imps in your CL qualifier, tough shit, yer oot. The fate of our Euro campaign lies squarely in getting a favourable draw so option 1 for me and just hope we catch a bigger club cold in the PO. Aye just copying the other European competitions. They are all just a mirror image of each other now. Would have been great if they'd just had a third competition which was unseeded and straight knockout (over two legs) . What a breath of fresh air it would have been and would have added some excitement to the dull as dishwater European nights between August and December when the same teams play each other in the same groups time and time again. There's enough teams from England, Spain etc coining it in as it is. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Guaranteed unseeded in QR3 now. Here’s who’s anticipated to be seeded so far in the QR3 round FC Basel ** Sui 49.000 AA Gent ** Bel 26.500 Anderlecht Bel 25.000 FK Astana ** Kaz 22.500 LASK Aut 21.000 Feyenoord ** Ned 21.000 Qarabag FK ** Azb 21.000 FCSB ** Rom 21.000 PAOK Thessaloniki ** Gre 20.000 AEK Athens ** Gre 19.500 Partizan Belgrade ** Srb 18.000 BATE Borisov ** Bls 17.500 Molde FK ** Nor 17.000 Rosenborg BK ** Nor 14.000 NK Maribor * Slo 14.000 NK Rijeka ** Cro 13.500 Apollon Limassol ** Cyp 13.500 FC Fehérvár * Hun 11.500 Dundalk * Irl 10.500 CD Santa Clara ** Por 9.709 Paços de Ferreira Por 9.709 Suduva Marijampole * Lit 8.750 . . . . Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Seeded team anticipated so far in the PO round is AS Roma Ita 90.000 Tottenham Hotspur Eng 88.000 Villarreal Esp >62.000 FC Basel ** Sui 49.000 AA Gent ** Bel 26.500 Anderlecht *3 Bel 25.000 FK Astana ** Kaz 22.500 LASK *3 Aut 21.000 Feyenoord ** Ned 21.000 Qarabag FK ** Azb 21.000 FCSB ** Rom 21.000 +6more Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, afc1903mad said: Guaranteed unseeded in QR3 now. Here’s who’s anticipated to be seeded so far in the QR3 round FC Basel ** Sui 49.000 AA Gent ** Bel 26.500 Anderlecht Bel 25.000 FK Astana ** Kaz 22.500 LASK Aut 21.000 Feyenoord ** Ned 21.000 Qarabag FK ** Azb 21.000 FCSB ** Rom 21.000 PAOK Thessaloniki ** Gre 20.000 AEK Athens ** Gre 19.500 Partizan Belgrade ** Srb 18.000 BATE Borisov ** Bls 17.500 Molde FK ** Nor 17.000 Rosenborg BK ** Nor 14.000 NK Maribor * Slo 14.000 NK Rijeka ** Cro 13.500 Apollon Limassol ** Cyp 13.500 FC Fehérvár * Hun 11.500 Dundalk * Irl 10.500 CD Santa Clara ** Por 9.709 Paços de Ferreira Por 9.709 Suduva Marijampole * Lit 8.750 . . . . Doesn’t seem to be any easier at all compared to the Europa League. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 St Johnstone will face a CL drop-out in EL QR3. I'm guessing they can't face Celtic, but one from the following: - Seeded clubs coef. Unseeded clubs coef. ------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ---------------- Celtic Sco 34.000 Rapid Wien Aut 17.000 PSV Eindhoven Ned 29.000 Galatasaray Tur 17.000 Sparta Praha Cze 17.500 FC Midtjylland Den 13.500 Tough shift given they don't have any earlier rounds in Europe. Scotland's country rating now is higher (currently 9th but will be classed as 11th for next season), therefore the cup winners (3rd) the next couple of seasons are placed directly into the PO round of the EL (Cup winners from countries 7-12) Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, afc1903mad said: St Johnstone will face a CL drop-out in EL QR3. I'm guessing they can't face Celtic, but one from the following: - Seeded clubs coef. Unseeded clubs coef. ------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ---------------- Celtic Sco 34.000 Rapid Wien Aut 17.000 PSV Eindhoven Ned 29.000 Galatasaray Tur 17.000 Sparta Praha Cze 17.500 FC Midtjylland Den 13.500 Tough shift given they don't have any earlier rounds in Europe. Scotland's country rating now is higher (currently 9th but will be classed as 11th for next season), therefore the cup winners (3rd) the next couple of seasons are placed directly into the PO round of the EL (Cup winners from countries 7-12) Big season next season then. Does the cup winnier (3rd) get a pass to the Europa Conference if get knocked out EL in PO round? Where do you get your info from min? Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 18 hours ago, WesthillWanderersFC said: Doesn’t seem to be any easier at all compared to the Europa League. I think all they have done is made the Europa League smaller. Doesn't seem to be a huge amount of extra spaces in the Europa Diddy League. Wonder if the inaugural winners will be a side who were eliminated in both the champions league and europa league through the course of the season. How exciting Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said: I think all they have done is made the Europa League smaller. Doesn't seem to be a huge amount of extra spaces in the Europa Diddy League. Wonder if the inaugural winners will be a side who were eliminated in both the champions league and europa league through the course of the season. How exciting Can you drop from Champions League to Europa to Conference? Ridiculous if you can. Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Betty Swallicks said: Can you drop from Champions League to Europa to Conference? Ridiculous if you can. I'm not sure, but wouldn't be surprised. Losing a couple of qualifiers or maybe a CL qualifier then the EL group stage.... don't know Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 33 minutes ago, Betty Swallicks said: Can you be a no mark club that have never had a sniff of 2nd never mind 1st, get bolstered by tv money that is precisely fuck all to do with your fan base, probably need half your squad to get passports just to get papped oot by some croatian postmen drop from Champions League to Europa to Conference? Ridiculous if you can. FIFY Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said: I think all they have done is made the Europa League smaller. Doesn't seem to be a huge amount of extra spaces in the Europa Diddy League. Wonder if the inaugural winners will be a side who were eliminated in both the champions league and europa league through the course of the season. How exciting Yeah, the Europa League now consists of just top 15 nations and CL dropouts. It means there are fewer qualifying rounds (just QR3 and the PO) before the groups It is possible to go from CL to EL to ECL. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Betty Swallicks said: Can you drop from Champions League to Europa to Conference? Ridiculous if you can. Yes, you can. A number of ways. If your interested (although maybe not) being ranked 11th this upcoming season means that the Scottish Premier League Winners would go straight into the CL PO round, to which losing means straight into the EL groups. Next year (as were 9th) the Scottish Premier League Winners would be straight into the CL groups, with second place in QR3 non champions route (two rounds to qualify, but losing either puts you into the EL groups) Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Betty Swallicks said: Big season next season then. Does the cup winnier (3rd) get a pass to the Europa Conference if get knocked out EL in PO round? Where do you get your info from min? Yes, they would. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, afc1903mad said: Yes, they would. What a load of fucking bollocks UEFA are. That diagram is full of second and third chances for the big clubs from the big countries. 1 Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: What a load of fucking bollocks UEFA are. That diagram is full of second and third chances for the big clubs from the big countries. Aye its crap. In my head, until recently, I thought it was gonna be the likes of us and our old mates Groningen, Rijeka and Kairat getting a decent run out in Europe. But now it is clear it is just another method to ensure all the money stays with the same clubs / leagues. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said: Aye its crap. In my head, until recently, I thought it was gonna be the likes of us and our old mates Groningen, Rijeka and Kairat getting a decent run out in Europe. But now it is clear it is just another method to ensure all the money stays with the same clubs / leagues. In essence there was 48 teams in th EL groups and now there will only be 32 (designed to optimised the higher placed teams / countries. The ECL adds another 32 teams to its group stages, but although initially for the lower ranked nations, you’ll find the groups are heavily filled with top tier nations. That’s why the anticipated teams in the ECL PO so far are:- 20 hours ago, afc1903mad said: Seeded team anticipated so far in the PO round is AS Roma Ita 90.000 Tottenham Hotspur Eng 88.000 Villarreal Esp >62.000 FC Basel ** Sui 49.000 AA Gent ** Bel 26.500 Anderlecht *3 Bel 25.000 FK Astana ** Kaz 22.500 LASK *3 Aut 21.000 Feyenoord ** Ned 21.000 Qarabag FK ** Azb 21.000 FCSB ** Rom 21.000 +6more Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 On 5/23/2021 at 8:59 PM, Tord31 said: Correct. It was always an interpretation of what might happen. Some folk missed that point Some didn’t though Link to comment
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