aberdeen1970 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, afc1903mad said: We’ll have to agree to disagree then. It's like saying the bottom 6 of the spl is the same standard as the top 6 after the split because it's the same clubs. Of course it's not. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: It's like saying the bottom 6 of the spl is the same standard as the top 6 after the split because it's the same clubs. Of course it's not. It’s nothing like that at all. If I’ve got time or the inclination later on, I’ll show the teams competing this year in the ECL versus the EL last year. Your assumption that the ECL will be easier is off (in my opinion) Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 minute ago, afc1903mad said: It’s nothing like that at all. If I’ve got time or the inclination later on, I’ll show the teams competing this year in the ECL versus the EL last year. Your assumption that the ECL will be easier is off (in my opinion) FFS min. The Europa is a superior competition to the Conference just like the Champions league is a superior competition to the Europa. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: FFS min. The Europa is a superior competition to the Conference just like the Champions league is a superior competition to the Europa. The ECL qualifying rounds are not easier as a result. The same quality and seceding of teams are in the draws that we had in the last 8 seasons. I said we have to agree to disagree but you keep pushing. Yes, the EVL is the third tier of Europe now, but the teams in the draw were the same teams that were in the EL for the last 8 seasons. This year the draw has been kinder to us than in any other of the last 8 seasons Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, afc1903mad said: The ECL qualifying rounds are not easier as a result. The same quality and seceding of teams are in the draws that we had in the last 8 seasons. I said we have to agree to disagree but you keep pushing. Yes, the EVL is the third tier of Europe now, but the teams in the draw were the same teams that were in the EL for the last 8 seasons. This year the draw has been kinder to us than in any other of the last 8 seasons The draw hasn't been kinder to us. The better teams in general are playing to qualify for the Europa League so don't need to play qualifiers in the conference league. Link to comment
DelMonte Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Millertime said: Thats pure, unadulterated shite that It's a lower level tournament and it shows with the difference in thr teams we have had More bullshit from you. The decline is fucking unbelievable ? 1 Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Can we put McInnes's Euro failures behind us now? Please. Link to comment
redcryptoknight Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 If Aberdeen were to make it to the group stages, what would be our chances of progressing?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–22_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, Millertime said: You're talking utter, utter mince The only thing mince is your opinion and obligated defence of all thing Hun. You must be spewing today given Utd’s result Link to comment
Scotty_Toronto Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 League - win SLC - win SC - win Europe - groups (There's no point otherwise.) Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Millertime said: Thats pure, unadulterated shite that It's a lower level tournament and it shows with the difference in thr teams we have had Which teams are in the ELC that were not ECL or EL in recent seasons? (See below). Our draw for Breidablik was the 2nd lowest QR2 seed. In our pot for the PO round, we drew the lowest rank sides of those available. Seeded clubs coef. Unseeded clubs coef. ------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ---------------- AS Roma Ita 90.000 Molde FK ** Nor 17.000 Tottenham Hotspur Eng 88.000 Anorthosis / Rapid Wien &3 5.550 - 17.000 FC Basel ** Sui 49.000 Johnstone / Galatasaray &3 6.675 - 17.000 FC København ** Den 43.500 Union Berlin Ger 14.714 Viktoria Plzen ** Cze 33.500 Rosenborg BK ** Nor 14.000 AA Gent ** Bel 26.500 NK Rijeka ** Cro 13.500 Anderlecht *3 Bel 25.000 Dundalk * Irl 10.500 FK Astana ** Kaz 22.500 Paços de Ferreira *3 Por 9.709 LASK *3 Aut 21.000 CD Santa Clara ** Por 9.709 Feyenoord ** Ned 21.000 CSKA Sofia ** Bul 8.000 Qarabag FK ** Azb 21.000 Rubin Kazan *3 Rus 7.676 Maccabi Tel-Aviv ** Isr 20.500 Aberdeen ** Sco 7.500 PAOK Thessaloniki *3 Gre 20.000 Kolos Kovalivka *3 Ukr 6.620 Stade Rennais Fra 19.000 Sivasspor ** Tur 6.020 Partizan Belgrade ** Srb 18.000 Cukaricki Belgrade ** Srb 5.350 Hapoel Beer-Sheva ** Isr 17.500 IF Elfsborg * Swe 4.100 Jablonec / Celtic &3 7.000 - 34.000 Tobol Kustanai ** Kaz 3.125 Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, afc1903mad said: Which teams are in the ECL that were not ECL or EL in recent seasons? (See below). Our draw for Breidablik was the 2nd lowest QR2 seed. In our pot for the PO round, we drew the lowest rank sides of those available. Seeded clubs coef. Unseeded clubs coef. ------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ---------------- AS Roma Ita 90.000 Molde FK ** Nor 17.000 Tottenham Hotspur Eng 88.000 Anorthosis / Rapid Wien &3 5.550 - 17.000 FC Basel ** Sui 49.000 Johnstone / Galatasaray &3 6.675 - 17.000 FC København ** Den 43.500 Union Berlin Ger 14.714 Viktoria Plzen ** Cze 33.500 Rosenborg BK ** Nor 14.000 AA Gent ** Bel 26.500 NK Rijeka ** Cro 13.500 Anderlecht *3 Bel 25.000 Dundalk * Irl 10.500 FK Astana ** Kaz 22.500 Paços de Ferreira *3 Por 9.709 LASK *3 Aut 21.000 CD Santa Clara ** Por 9.709 Feyenoord ** Ned 21.000 CSKA Sofia ** Bul 8.000 Qarabag FK ** Azb 21.000 Rubin Kazan *3 Rus 7.676 Maccabi Tel-Aviv ** Isr 20.500 Aberdeen ** Sco 7.500 PAOK Thessaloniki *3 Gre 20.000 Kolos Kovalivka *3 Ukr 6.620 Stade Rennais Fra 19.000 Sivasspor ** Tur 6.020 Partizan Belgrade ** Srb 18.000 Cukaricki Belgrade ** Srb 5.350 Hapoel Beer-Sheva ** Isr 17.500 IF Elfsborg * Swe 4.100 Jablonec / Celtic &3 7.000 - 34.000 Tobol Kustanai ** Kaz 3.125 You're missing the point though min. Nobody is saying that the pool of teams across the Europa and the conference isn't similar to the pool that was in the Europa last year. We're saying that the better teams will end up in the Europa and some of those teams will not play any conference qualifiers at all as they will have qualified for the superior competition and won't need a parachute down to the Conference. Therefore, the conference pool is generally a diluted version of last year's Europa. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: You're missing the point though min. Nobody is saying that the pool of teams across the Europa and the conference isn't similar to the pool that was in the Europa last year. We're saying that the better teams will end up in the Europa and some of those teams will not play any conference qualifiers at all as they will have qualified for the superior competition and won't need a parachute down to the Conference. Therefore, the conference pool is generally a diluted version of last year's Europa. I believe you are missing the point I’m making. You’ve agreed that the pool of the teams are the same as last year and generically the last 8 years. It’s the same pool of teams that McInness’s teams were up against. The difference this year is that we never drew a team like Breidabliks level in QR3 previously, and our PO draw was the best option that we could have pulled. Would you have preferred to have drawn Spurs in the PO round? Therefore (my point) is that our draw for QR3 and the PO round have given us the best opportunity to progress against the same pool of teams. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, afc1903mad said: I believe you are missing the point I’m making. You’ve agreed that the pool of the teams are the same as last year and generically the last 8 years. It’s the same pool of teams that McInness’s teams were up against. The difference this year is that we never drew a team like Breidabliks level in QR3 previously, and our PO draw was the best option that we could have pulled. Would you have preferred to have drawn Spurs in the PO round? Therefore (my point) is that our draw for QR3 and the PO round have given us the best opportunity to progress against the same pool of teams. This is my last post. Our draw is easier because there were less good teams in the draw overall meaning the odds of drawing a top team were less. Because we are in the third tier competition. Have a good weekend Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: This is my last post. Our draw is easier because there were less good teams in the draw overall meaning the odds of drawing a top team were less. Because we are in the third tier competition. Have a good weekend Nope, the draw is not easier because there are less teams. Let me put this another way, the EL last season was the bottom tier of European football competition, as is this years ECL. The ECL is effectively the same as the EL last year. You’ve been duped into thinking that by adding another tier below it is somehow of lower quality, it is not. The EL this year I has less qualification rounds as a result of fewer teams, who all dropped into the ECL. EL QR3 this year comprises of three ties from the nations ranked 13-15, with their opponents being CL drop outs. Laughably, the seeded sides end up playing higher seeds CL drop outs Seeded clubs coef. Unseeded clubs coef. ------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ---------------- FK Jablonec Cze 7.000 Celtic @2 Sco 34.000 St. Johnstone Sco 6.675 Rapid Wien @2 Aut 17.000 Anorthosis Famagusta Cyp 5.550 Galatasaray @2 Tur 17.000 Essentially the new EL tier is a safeguarding for more CL teams that drop out. They’d have been better calling it a Champions League 2. There are no teams in the New EL from nations below ranked 15 (with the exception of this year given there was no ECL winner, it went to the nation ranked 16th) The EL is not the same as last year, there is not the same qualification process, all that transferred to the ECL. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, afc1903mad said: Nope, the draw is not easier because there are less teams. Let me put this another way, the EL last season was the bottom tier of European football competition, as is this years ECL. The ECL is effectively the same as the EL last year. You’ve been duped into thinking that by adding another tier below it is somehow of lower quality, it is not. The EL this year I has less qualification rounds as a result of fewer teams, who all dropped into the ECL. EL QR3 this year comprises of three ties from the nations ranked 13-15, with their opponents being CL drop outs. Laughably, the seeded sides end up playing higher seeds CL drop outs Seeded clubs coef. Unseeded clubs coef. ------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ---------------- FK Jablonec Cze 7.000 Celtic @2 Sco 34.000 St. Johnstone Sco 6.675 Rapid Wien @2 Aut 17.000 Anorthosis Famagusta Cyp 5.550 Galatasaray @2 Tur 17.000 Essentially the new EL tier is a safeguarding for more CL teams that drop out. They’d have been better calling it a Champions League 2. There are no teams in the New EL from nations below ranked 15 (with the exception of this year given there was no ECL winner, it went to the nation ranked 16th) The EL is not the same as last year, there is not the same qualification process, all that transferred to the ECL. No. The better teams in the Europa League will qualify through to the Europa League groups and will never see a conference game. Some of those teams will be teams that we could have drawn last season. Some of the teams who lose will drop into the conference qualifiers. Therefore they will be lesser teams than the teams that have beaten them. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 It doesn't matter how many ways you try and twist it. The majority of teams in the Europa League groups will be much better teams than those that are in the conference league groups. And will get paid more as a result. Because its a higher level competition. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 In the years gone by, the draw has not been a kind to us, we’ve drawn relatively the better sides, whilst this year, we have drawn relatively easier sides For the PO draw, our seeded pot included Qarabağ (AZE) - 21.00Basel (SUI) - 49.00Viktoria Plzeň (CZE) - 33.5Tottenham (ENG) - 88.00 we drew the lowest seeded side For the QR3 round, we drew the team that was 2nd lowest in QR2 Seeded clubs coef. Unseeded clubs coef. ------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ---------------- FC Basel Sui 49.000 Servette FC Genève Sui 5.245 FC København Den 43.500 Aris Thessaloniki Gre 5.200 Viktoria Plzen Cze 33.500 KuPS Kuopio * Fin 5.000 AA Gent Bel 26.500 Dynamo Brest Bls 5.000 FK Astana Kaz 22.500 DAC Dunajska Streda Svk 5.000 Feyenoord Ned 21.000 FH Hafnarfjardar * Isl 5.000 Qarabag FK Azb 21.000 MS Ashdod Isr 4.875 FCSB Rom 21.000 Sutjeska Niksic * Mon 4.750 Maccabi Tel-Aviv Isr 20.500 FC Santa Coloma * And 4.500 AEK Athens Gre 19.500 Partizani Tirana * Alb 4.250 Partizan Belgrade Srb 18.000 Vålerengens IF Nor 4.200 Hapoel Beer-Sheva Isr 17.500 Hammarby IF Swe 4.100 BATE Borisov Bls 17.500 BK Häcken Swe 4.100 Molde FK Nor 17.000 IF Elfsborg Swe 4.100 Rosenborg BK Nor 14.000 Lokomotiv Plovdiv Bul 4.075 NK Maribor * Slo 14.000 Arda Kardzhali Bul 4.075 NK Rijeka Cro 13.500 KF Laçi * Alb 4.000 Apollon Limassol Cyp 13.500 Kauno Zalgiris * Lit (4.000) Ararat Yerevan * Arm (11.500) FK Liepaja * Lat 4.000 Dundalk * Irl 10.500 Levadia Tallinn * Est 3.750 Austria Wien Aut 10.000 Sepsi OSK Rom 3.640 CD Santa Clara Por 9.709 FC Drita * Kos 3.500 Suduva Marijampole * Lit 8.750 Kesla FK Azb 3.375 CSKA Sofia Bul 8.000 Sumgayit FK Azb 3.375 Hajduk Split Cro 8.000 Birkirkara * Mlt (3.250) F91 Dudelange Lux 8.000 Bohemians Dublin * Irl (3.250) FC Sochi Rus 7.676 Tobol Kustanai Kaz 3.125 Aberdeen Sco 7.500 Shakhtyor Karaganda Kaz 3.125 The New Saints * Wal 7.500 Puskás Akadémia * Hun 3.100 Spartak Trnava * Svk 7.500 Újpest TE Hun 3.100 Olimpija Ljubljana Slo 6.750 Torpedo Zhodino Bls 3.050 Hibernian Sco 6.675 Raków Czestochowa Pol 3.025 Vorskla Poltava Ukr 6.620 Pogon Szczecin Pol 3.025 Milsami Orhei * Mol (6.250) Slask Wroclaw * Pol 3.025 Sivasspor Tur 6.020 FK Shkupi * Mac 3.000 NK Osijek Cro 6.000 Petrocub Hîncesti * Mol 3.000 Universitatea Craiova Rom 6.000 Honka Espoo * Fin (3.000) AGF Aarhus Den 5.575 Velez Mostar * Bos (2.750) AEL Limassol Cyp 5.550 Dinamo Batumi * Geo (2.750) FC Vaduz Lie 5.500 Vllaznia Shkodër * Alb (2.750) NK Domzale * Slo 5.500 MSK Zilina * Svk 2.725 Vojvodina Novi Sad Srb 5.350 Larne FC * Nir (2.500) Cukaricki Belgrade Srb 5.350 Gzira United * Mlt 2.500 1.FC Slovácko Cze 5.320 Breidablik * Isl 2.250 RFS Riga * Lat (5.250) FK Panevezys Lit 1.750 The draw has been kind to us for both rounds, regardless of the quality of teams in this competition, and who incidentally are all CL and EL regulars during the McInness era. I therefore think this is our best opportunity to progress and would anticipate that the coming seasons will not find ourselves as fortunate as we have been 1 Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: It doesn't matter how many ways you try and twist it. The majority of teams in the Europa League groups will be much better teams than those that are in the conference league groups. And will get paid more as a result. Because its a higher level competition. Agreed, because they’ve limited that competition to only the top 15 nations. The EL is a higher competition, but the ECL is effectively last years EL. Villarreal won last years EL, beating Man Utd. I fully expect the ECL will be won by a CL dropout as well Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: It doesn't matter how many ways you try and twist it. The majority of teams in the Europa League groups will be much better teams than those that are in the conference league groups. And will get paid more as a result. Nobody is arguing this years EL groups will be on average a high level, that’s not the point we are debating. I was making the point that the qualification process of this years ECL, is effectively the same ad]s last years EL and that our draw this year has been kinder than in previous years Link to comment
frankie_mac's_4 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Thread needs some spreadsheets and charts IYAM Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, afc1903mad said: Nobody is arguing this years EL groups will be on average a high level, that’s not the point we are debating. I was making the point that the qualification process of this years ECL, is effectively the same ad]s last years EL and that our draw this year has been kinder than in previous years You created a debate that didn't need to exist. The Europa is a higher level competition than the Conference was what was stated hours ago. Pages of spreadsheets later this remains unchanged. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 minute ago, aberdeen1970 said: You created a debate that didn't need to exist. The Europa is a higher level competition than the Conference was what was stated hours ago. Pages of spreadsheets later this remains unchanged. I never argued that this season EL is higher than the ECL. The EL is different this year. My point is that the ECL is effectively same as the previous EL and we have had more fortuitous draws this year. I’ve said it a number of ways and I think you’re now getting it and trying to change your point. Ive said enough, so am now out. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Just now, afc1903mad said: I never argued that this season EL is higher than the ECL. The EL is different this year. My point is that the ECL is effectively same as the previous EL and we have had more fortuitous draws this year. I’ve said it a number of ways and I think you’re now getting it and trying to change your point. Ive said enough, so am now out. No. The conference this year is still a lesser competition than last year's Europa. Plenty of champions league drop outs in the Europa last year. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Millertime said: @bebo please, please bring back the dildo Can you not put me on block for the 7th time? You add absolutely nothing when you reply to my posts 1 2 Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 52 minutes ago, Millertime said: I mean this 100%, you have so little self awareness its alarming You're the one who adds nothing Don't believe me? Put up a poll You and your poll’s, I’ve seen you post similarly before. it’s sad and desperate Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 hours ago, afc1903mad said: In the years gone by, the draw has not been a kind to us, we’ve drawn relatively the better sides, whilst this year, we have drawn relatively easier sides Relatively? we’ve gone from drawing teams from the biggest leagues in the world and champions league regular to drawing a team from iceland who play at a ground like banks o dee Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said: Relatively? we’ve gone from drawing teams from the biggest leagues in the world and champions league regular to drawing a team from iceland who play at a ground like banks o dee Absolutely, we got a better draw than we have had in the past. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 42 minutes ago, Millertime said: Aye, nothing like joining up on hackens forum and being this slimy creep, "hey guys, let's be friends, I can answer questions you may have, yeah man, peace!!" C R I N E Making up bollox again. United winning today has brought the worst out in you. what are they saying on follow follow? We know you frequent there Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 hours ago, afc1903mad said: Absolutely, we got a better draw than we have had in the past. Assisted by most of the better teams being in a completely different tournament, as folk keep trying to inform you Link to comment
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