Next Manager

[Willo flood]

10 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

So lets say Jimmy Thelin is in the frame.

Any concern that his tactics sound awfully like Robson's at the start of this season?

Long pass quickly forward, high press, counter press, not caring about possession stats. 

Any concerns that it just wont consistently work in the spfl or was Robson just thick as mince?

Robsons tactics were just to hoof the ball as far as possible, let’s be honest 

Mind our kickoffs? Straight back to Roos just for him to wallop it into the main stand

[Yerdas Selzavon]

If we're worried about players buying into it - ultimately he just has to cobble together something that works for the last 9-10 games of this season depending on how the cup semi goes. Then he has the summer to build a team that can buy into it and play the game how he wants it played.

[slippers]

18 minutes ago, Yerdas Selzavon said:

Saw Scott Burns posting about foreign managers outside the old firm being bad - not sure whether that's just a random thought that has occurred to him or whether that is a suggestion something is afoot

Ive heard this before but im genuilly struggling to think of many apart from lad at killie a few years back and a few hearts managers. They are very few and far between.

[JamieMT]

9 minutes ago, Yerdas Selzavon said:

Saw Scott Burns posting about foreign managers outside the old firm being bad - not sure whether that's just a random thought that has occurred to him or whether that is a suggestion something is afoot

How many Scottish managers have been a success in the Scottish top-flight, outside of Rangers (deceased) and Celtic? Especially post '86, after Rangers initiated the financial arms race.  If we're playing percentages, the numbers won't be great.

[Yerdas Selzavon]

1 minute ago, slippers said:

Ive heard this before but im genuilly struggling to think of many apart from lad at killie a few years back and a few hearts managers. They are very few and far between.

I think if things aren't working they get hounded out very quickly as Scottish football is very insular and parochial. As we've actually coincidentally just been talking about players may have struggled to buy into more progressive styles as for decades its always been about long balls, picking the tall lads, graft etc rather than technical ability.

The Scottish football media class are also a problem - they get very hurt when you don't appoint one of their mates or a Scottish football old boy and make sure to stick the knife in as soon as the team hits a rough patch. The old firm however are given a pass because they're the old firm.

[slippers]

3 minutes ago, Yerdas Selzavon said:

I think if things aren't working they get hounded out very quickly as Scottish football is very insular and parochial. As we've actually coincidentally just been talking about players may have struggled to buy into more progressive styles as for decades its always been about long balls, picking the tall lads, graft etc rather than technical ability.

The Scottish football media class are also a problem - they get very hurt when you don't appoint one of their mates or a Scottish football old boy and make sure to stick the knife in as soon as the team hits a rough patch. The old firm however are given a pass because they're the old firm.

you only have to look at sportsounds reaction to Warnock. Lost their shit because it wasnt 1 of the tried and failed merry go round managers. They may well have been correct in the end but Warnock had a far better CV than many they suggested. 

It's another bonus if we appoint a foreigner. 

[DeltaRay1903]

9 minutes ago, JamieMT said:

How many Scottish managers have been a success in the Scottish top-flight, outside of Rangers (deceased) and Celtic? Especially post '86, after Rangers initiated the financial arms race.  If we're playing percentages, the numbers won't be great.

Scottish managers for Scottish clubs. Even if they're all shite and have been indoctrinated with a SFA / glasgow bias. No thanks. 

[Russell]

22 minutes ago, AyrshireSheep said:

 

Its obviously got him an element of success. The only thing that concerns me is that we don't have the players capable of playing long successful passes. Especially at the back. 

Disagree, Roos must have at least a 90% success rate connecting with the ball boys

[JamieMT]

9 minutes ago, Yerdas Selzavon said:

I think if things aren't working they get hounded out very quickly as Scottish football is very insular and parochial. As we've actually coincidentally just been talking about players may have struggled to buy into more progressive styles as for decades its always been about long balls, picking the tall lads, graft etc rather than technical ability.

The Scottish football media class are also a problem - they get very hurt when you don't appoint one of their mates or a Scottish football old boy and make sure to stick the knife in as soon as the team hits a rough patch. The old firm however are given a pass because they're the old firm.

Said similar in the Warnock thread, but got shot down for it. There's a village like mentality in the Scottish football media. It's largely comprised of ex-pros who very much look out for each other and resent anyone from the "outside" coming in. Unless as you say, that someone is being appointed by a Glasgow club.

[eeps]

7 minutes ago, slippers said:

you only have to look at sportsounds reaction to Warnock. Lost their shit because it wasnt 1 of the tried and failed merry go round managers. They may well have been correct in the end but Warnock had a far better CV than many they suggested. 

It's another bonus if we appoint a foreigner. 

exactly, its fucking absurdo, Burns is a clown

[Russell]

19 minutes ago, slippers said:

Ive heard this before but im genuilly struggling to think of many apart from lad at killie a few years back and a few hearts managers. They are very few and far between.

Ebbe obviously, Hearts must have had a few under Romanov. Kampman (?) at Motherwell who came from a diddy Finnish team. Suazee who only got the job at Hibs because he played for them. Bonetti because his pal bought the team.

It's not so much foreign managers haven't been successful, it's more that the foreign managers have been shite picks. If that makes sense. 

[slippers]

2 minutes ago, Russell said:

Ebbe obviously, Hearts must have had a few under Romanov. Kampman (?) at Motherwell who came from a diddy Finnish team. Suazee who only got the job at Hibs because he played for them. Bonetti because his pal bought the team.

It's not so much foreign managers haven't been successful, it's more that the foreign managers have been shite picks. If that makes sense. 

If you were to do a break down of managers in Scottish premier league in last 20 years outside the 2 cunts the % being foreign would easily be under 10% prob under 5%. 

[Footballs coming Rome]

9 minutes ago, DeltaRay1903 said:

Scottish managers for Scottish clubs. Even if they're all shite and have been indoctrinated with a SFA / glasgow bias. No thanks. 

It’s a job for the boys merry go round in Scotland. Media pundits and coaches alike in each others pockets. Everyone on nickname terms of “wee”,  “big” or (insert name)y. 
 

Hope we rise above it but any foreign manager will get grief from the media portraying we made a bad choice. How we should have employed one of the Largs lot who they drink with. 

[JamieMT]

4 minutes ago, Russell said:

Ebbe obviously, Hearts must have had a few under Romanov. Kampman (?) at Motherwell who came from a diddy Finnish team. Suazee who only got the job at Hibs because he played for them. Bonetti because his pal bought the team.

It's not so much foreign managers haven't been successful, it's more that the foreign managers have been shite picks. If that makes sense. 

100%. A good manager's a good manager.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

It’s a question I’ve pondered a lot recently.  What is this “Scottish Game” that you need to know all about?

Clemente, Postecoglu, Rodgers and Gerrard all prove you don’t need it at the top end so what is it that Warnock didn’t have or Ross or (seems like) half a dozen Hearts boys.

It doesn’t need much.  McInnes didn’t exactly transform us, Naismiths now doing the same.  And what little we did learn under Derek was all too quickly and easily forgotton.

So what is IT?

[Big Hat Logan]

1 hour ago, Willo flood said:

Robsons tactics were just to hoof the ball as far as possible, let’s be honest 

Mind our kickoffs? Straight back to Roos just for him to wallop it into the main stand

It’s Scottish football though, that’s enough to win most games if the players can be arsed.

[Big Hat Logan]

8 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

It’s a question I’ve pondered a lot recently.  What is this “Scottish Game” that you need to know all about?

Clemente, Postecoglu, Rodgers and Gerrard all prove you don’t need it at the top end so what is it that Warnock didn’t have or Ross or (seems like) half a dozen Hearts boys.

It doesn’t need much.  McInnes didn’t exactly transform us, Naismiths now doing the same.  And what little we did learn under Derek was all too quickly and easily forgotton.

So what is IT?

It’s just nonsense, people want someone who knows the Scottish game but they absolutely must not have rangers connections. Good luck with that.

[Russell]

1 hour ago, ahead on alphabet said:

One of Robson's biggest problems was for me the obvious fact he couldn't adapt to anything mid game. He couldn't affect anything during a game, he never had any answers to the problems on the pitch we were facing. It's one thing having a style or a set up you prefer and occasionally, given the squad he wanted to pick from, his set up did seem logical, but you won't go very far unless you're capable of adapting to the changing game or the oppositions tactics or players. 

Robson was thick as mince. 

The one game he did change things and make a difference mid game was his triple sub against PAOK 🤡

[JumboJET]

How's Thelin's vest data?

[Helmet]

2 hours ago, JamieMT said:

How many Scottish managers have been a success in the Scottish top-flight, outside of Rangers (deceased) and Celtic? Especially post '86, after Rangers initiated the financial arms race.  If we're playing percentages, the numbers won't be great.

Well said mate.

Burns makes the argument of a complete moron and it’s completely emblematic of Scottish football.

How many dozens of Scottish managers are absolutely shite online league every season. Very few from outside are given a crack at it tbf.

Ps- Not sure why he mentioned Wales, have we had a good Welsh managers in Scottish football?

[Helmet]

2 hours ago, DeltaRay1903 said:

Scottish managers for Scottish clubs. Even if they're all shite and have been indoctrinated with a SFA / glasgow bias. No thanks. 

Top posting.

[BrisDon]

1 hour ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

It’s a question I’ve pondered a lot recently.  What is this “Scottish Game” that you need to know all about?

Clemente, Postecoglu, Rodgers and Gerrard all prove you don’t need it at the top end so what is it that Warnock didn’t have or Ross or (seems like) half a dozen Hearts boys.

It doesn’t need much.  McInnes didn’t exactly transform us, Naismiths now doing the same.  And what little we did learn under Derek was all too quickly and easily forgotton.

So what is IT?

Anyone managing Celtic or Rangers has an enormous financial advantage so doesn’t count. 
 

At least 90% of it comes down to recruitment. Not just having the best players but having the right mix of players. Unless you have the massive financial advantage of the Glasgow clubs and can bring in players who are clearly a cut above what the Scottish leagues have to offer, I don’t think £ for £ (or maybe that should be €) having a foreign manager or buying foreign players presents better value. Turns out it’s much of a muchness. Without having undertaken an I depth statistical analysis, I would say foreign players and managers present a wider risk curve with a median performance below Scottish managers i.e. they could be better but probably won’t be. 

Recruitment is probably most difficult for the non Glasgow clubs with aspirations of European football every season (basically us, Hearts and Hibs). There’s a higher level of expectation at these clubs but the financial ‘advantage’ they have over the likes of Motherwell, St Mirren, Kilmarnock etc. isn’t enough on its own to override the variability of player recruitment hence all three clubs regularly finish outside the top 6 or are even relegated. 
 

Of course, we should be casting out the net wider than the British leagues (Miovski being the perfect example of how this can pay off) but I think the core of our team should be Scottish - preferably talent from our own youth system augmented by the better Scottish players from the smaller SPFL clubs. It’s about widening the pool of available talent - that’s it really. 
 

 

[Dunty]

3 hours ago, Yerdas Selzavon said:

I think if things aren't working they get hounded out very quickly as Scottish football is very insular and parochial. As we've actually coincidentally just been talking about players may have struggled to buy into more progressive styles as for decades its always been about long balls, picking the tall lads, graft etc rather than technical ability.

The Scottish football media class are also a problem - they get very hurt when you don't appoint one of their mates or a Scottish football old boy and make sure to stick the knife in as soon as the team hits a rough patch. The old firm however are given a pass because they're the old firm.

 

3 hours ago, DeltaRay1903 said:

Scottish managers for Scottish clubs. Even if they're all shite and have been indoctrinated with a SFA / glasgow bias. No thanks. 

 

3 hours ago, JamieMT said:

Said similar in the Warnock thread, but got shot down for it. There's a village like mentality in the Scottish football media. It's largely comprised of ex-pros who very much look out for each other and resent anyone from the "outside" coming in. Unless as you say, that someone is being appointed by a Glasgow club.

All correct.

Remember when Mark Wotte arrived to work as technical director at the SFA. He was basically hounded out. Every defeat from the youth teams to the full team was blamed on him.

He left in 2014, would struggle to tell you who has held the post since because the press aren't bothered about them despite the same failures at youth level.

[RDS]

5 hours ago, JumboJET said:

How's Thelin's vest data?

String one for Summer and Markies thermals for Winter

[ericblack4boss]

8 hours ago, JamieMT said:

Said similar in the Warnock thread, but got shot down for it. There's a village like mentality in the Scottish football media. It's largely comprised of ex-pros who very much look out for each other and resent anyone from the "outside" coming in. Unless as you say, that someone is being appointed by a Glasgow club.

The " Largs mafia"

[DeltaRay1903]

8 hours ago, Hoppy said:

Willie Falsconer

With a B and a Y and an R, O, N.

[ericblack4boss]

5 hours ago, Dunty said:

 

 

All correct.

Remember when Mark Wotte arrived to work as technical director at the SFA. He was basically hounded out. Every defeat from the youth teams to the full team was blamed on him.

He left in 2014, would struggle to tell you who has held the post since because the press aren't bothered about them despite the same failures at youth level.

Malky MacKay and Brian McClait I think  have been in that post  since

[BaaBaaRedSheep]

Anybody else hearing whispers about Alex Neil?

Would be a decent appointment IMO, as long as Cormack agrees to keep his snitch out of footballing related decisions. 

Otherwise we may end up with Paul Chuckle as boss.

[RUL]

15 minutes ago, BaaBaaRedSheep said:

Anybody else hearing whispers about Alex Neil?

Would be a decent appointment IMO, as long as Cormack agrees to keep his snitch out of footballing related decisions. 

Otherwise we may end up with Paul Chuckle as boss.

Not heard anything but someone shared a post about how he left Sunderland as he wanted total control of football operations.

[Ernie McCracken]

19 minutes ago, BaaBaaRedSheep said:

Anybody else hearing whispers about Alex Neil?

Would be a decent appointment IMO, as long as Cormack agrees to keep his snitch out of footballing related decisions. 

Otherwise we may end up with Paul Chuckle as boss.

Us fans are over Alex Neil now. Jimmy Thelin is the man. The bar has been set.