Folk That Go To The Games

[Pudgie]

Do they have a better view of how things are going and how the team are performing than those that don't? Just wondering what peoples point of view is.

[barassie_afc]

Do they have a better view of how things are going and how the team are performing than those that don't? Just wondering what peoples point of view is.

 

Week in week out probably , but then that does not compensate for intelligence levels and ability to analyse a game of football, but I general I would agree

[Bebo]

Of course. But everyone can view games differently and come off with different, even polar opposite opinion. However an analysis and opinion of players and performances will always carry more weight by someone that goes to games than someone who does not, or only manages to see a few live games against the OF a season

[Stoney]

Absolutely! Is that opinion always correct - of course not!

 

But you cannot expect to have a well informed judgement of something if you arnt there to see it.

 

Football is not just about the player on the ball, and thats all you tend to see on tv, you dont see the movement, off ball running, effort to find space, work rate. Its impossible to tell from the tv.

 

Watching a team like man united on tv and in person is like comparing chalk and cheese - the amount of effort that goes into the game from every player is breath taking and has to be seen to be believed.

[barassie_afc]

Absolutely! Is that opinion always correct - of course not!

 

But you cannot expect to have a well informed judgement of something if you arnt there to see it.

 

Football is not just about the player on the ball, and thats all you tend to see on tv, you dont see the movement, off ball running, effort to find space, work rate. Its impossible to tell from the tv.

 

Watching a team like man united on tv and in person is like comparing chalk and cheese - the amount of effort that goes into the game from every player is breath taking and has to be seen to be believed.

 

The being there and TV is a moot point I feel Stoney, depending on where you are on the ground. I feel if you can see the whole pitch from the stand up high its a great perspective

[Foster14]

They are better placed to make their own opinions on players and how the team as a whole are playing.

 

As barassie has already alluded to though, there are various circumstances where someone at a game will perhaps see things what would be viewed as incorrect to the majority. Whether it be intelligence, understanding of the game, personal bias or innebriation, people going to the same game will have different perceptions of the same events.

 

The thing about those not at games is by in large their opinions will be formed by those at games. Again, you have to look at the various criteria above that may affect peoples' perceptions.

 

Personally, in forming my own opinion, which is the most important to me, I feel I am better placed when I have seen a game in person first and foremost, on the TV second, then listening to others who were at the game on a sliding scale based on how much I respect their opinions.

[Stoney]

The being there and TV is a moot point I feel Stoney, depending on where you are on the ground. I feel if you can see the whole pitch from the stand up high its a great perspective

 

 

Very true, I always like the birds eye view.

[zerodon47]

without a doubt, in my opinion. although similar to what barassie said, some people analyse all aspects of the game ie keep an eye on all areas of the pitch, players movement, positioning etc whereas some people simply follow the ball, which doesnt mean they have a better view, just a different one. but all in all, folk that go to most games definately have a much better insight to those who watch the highlights and/or read match reports etc

[madjockmcferson]

Sorry, voted no in error. I don't go to the games as I now live in Virginia, and i previously lived in London.

 

I try not to comment on individual performance, I was last a ST holder in 2009, but I will pull people up on making over generalisations, for making statements they can't back up or simply just making sh*t up about people / the club.

 

It may come across that I am deliberately being obtuse and maybe an agent provocateur but it is well intentioned.....

[King Street Loon]

Without a doubt yes.

 

I'll very rarely comment on the performance on someone if I haven't seen it for myself at the game.

 

I may offer an opinion about why someone may not have played well if I didn't see it, but I generaly just leave the analysis to folk who have attended.

[zig-a-zig-ah]

Sorry, voted no in error. I don't go to the games as I now live in Virginia, and i previously lived in London.

 

I try not to comment on individual performance, I was last a ST holder in 2009, but I will pull people up on making over generalisations, for making statements they can't back up or simply just making sh*t up about people / the club.

 

It may come across that I am deliberately being obtuse and maybe an agent provocateur but it is well intentioned.....

 

Your blog is pish

[madjockmcferson]

Your blog is pish

 

That must mean it is awesome

[Stoney]

Without a doubt yes.

 

I'll very rarely comment on the performance on someone if I haven't seen it for myself at the game.

 

I may offer an opinion about why someone may not have played well if I didn't see it, but I generaly just leave the analysis to folk who have attended.

 

Yeah im the same, just doesnt feel right!

[scoutman70]

I said yes and I am a regular attender.

 

However I actually realised it wasn't as obvious at it may seem. People who can't make the games generally rely on radio/tv coverage. As much as many of dislike certain pundits, the majority of them do they what they're talking out (except when being stupid/heavy bias). I also think those who can't attend will perhaps make more of an effort to keep in touch and find out what is happening with the team.

 

Also if you seeing players every week or so, you are much more likely to have favourites. I think a prime example of this is the whole MT-Langfield saga. Statistically, i'll agree Langfield seems to be a good keeper, and not attending games you often hear comments of him making another fine save. However those attending games have seen 1st hand some of the god awful mistakes he makes. Now unless it leads to a goal, it'll probably go unnoticed by others.

[Kilkito]

There is no doubt that if you are a regular attender your opinion is more informed, but as others have said, it doesn't preclude those who dont go regulalry from having an opinion.

However if someone doesn't go to the games I don't understand how they can get worked up on a forum about matters all the time, yet not get worked up enough to take in a match(this exludes those who can't make it for various valid reasons), I also dont see how those who don't go can criticise the level of support given by those who do.

[Foster14]

not at all.

 

if El Hadji Diouf went to see a performance of "Carmen" and Stephen Fry listened to it on the radio, i'd believe Stephen Fry's summation of how that performance was before i would El-Hadji's

 

yes, in this analogy i am stephen fry and you all are el hadji diouf

 

Irrelevant (as always). Fry would listen to the performance on the radio, not someone's interpretation of it.

 

Unless of course, you are some "genius" that can tell how a game is going purely on crowd noises and the sounds from the pitch, you are talking shiiiiiiiiiiittteee. Again.

[madjockmcferson]

so, if someone cant go because they have a sick mum to watch...then their opinion counts over someone who doesnt go because he doesnt want to lose the one free day in the week he gets to de-stress?

 

MT - that isn't what he said. He did say not going to games was ok 'for valid reasons' - which covers looking after ill parents.

[Mrs_Mols]

nobody bite - just ignore

 

edit: too late.

[minijc]

not at all.

 

if El Hadji Diouf went to see a performance of "Carmen" and Stephen Fry listened to it on the radio, i'd believe Stephen Fry's summation of how that performance was before i would El-Hadji's

 

yes, in this analogy i am stephen fry and you all are el hadji diouf

Your analogy is absolute pish, that's like saying if Mourinho didn't watch a game but commented on it but I was a the game and our opinions were different, his would be the better one as he is a manager.

[Foster14]

nobody bite - just ignore

 

edit: too late.

 

This thread was created for the sole purpose of the situation that is now arising...

[Kilkito]

so, if someone cant go because they have a sick mum to watch...then their opinion counts over someone who doesnt go because he doesnt want to lose the one free day in the week he gets to de-stress?

 

I didn't say their opinion counts more, I said I can't understand those who dont have, in my opinion, a particularly good reason for not going, yet get all worked up on here, ie, if someone cares enought to post on here constantly, why dont they care enough to go to a game, its not some sort of sacrifice your making, its meant to be entertainment, its not "losing a day".

[robbo]

undoubtedly yes.

 

those who watch it on tv get a good idea but your are totally dependent on what the guy with the camera and the guy in the production bus says to show.

 

those who listen to it on the radio and dependent on the guy with the microphone being able to speak faster than the ball moves.

It boils down the old classic "picture paints a thousand words". I can listen to anyone give me a play by play of who the ball is being passed to and ill know whats happening, but you never truly know what is going on outwith the 10 yards around the ball - ie did the player lose possession because of a poor pass, poor positioning, poor 1st touch, didnt take it safe side, ball bobbled etc.

 

I like to be able to see the relationship between the horizontal and lateral units, the players who cut off the passing pathways by making a simple 5 yard jog to the left that doesnt get noted by the commentator, the winger who anticipates where the 1st ball is going so can already start making his run. all these tiny things that a commentator cant tell you, you have to see.

[Kilkito]

no, he said people with valid reasons not to go to games would be allowed to vent their opinions, go and check

 

em, no he didn't. Anyway, I'm off to the pub before the Beady Eye concert, so I'll be saved from the usal MT fishing exercise, have a good weekend all

[Foster14]

erm, no...

 

i can hear what the commentators saying

 

if someone miscontrols the ball, or someone misplaces a pass...i hear it through the commentator??

 

whats the confusion?

 

It is still their interpretation which you are taking on board. You are forming opinions based on that soley, which is not as good as forming your own opinions based on watching a game in person.

[Kilkito]

haha right all bull aside between us on here, hand on heart...you telling me you feel dons games these days is "entertainment" and not "losing a day"?

 

Sometimes it aint a lot of fun, but for instance, I went to the Hearts game last week, had to leave at 7:40 in the morning, and got back at half 5, and thoroughly enjoyed the trip and the game, its part of the beauty of football you never know what your going to get. I didn't think I wish I'd done something else.

[Foster14]

yeah?

 

so pudgie is attention seeking?

 

Unfortunately not. I would imagine it was set up to make you look daft (not that you need help at times) and yet again you are succeeding. I can only imagine you are on one long fishing trip. Either that, or you are delusional...

[Coopy100]

erm, no...

 

i can hear what the commentators saying

 

if someone miscontrols the ball, or someone misplaces a pass...i hear it through the commentator??

 

whats the confusion?

Sadly MT that is all down to the way the commentator himself views it and what his OPINION of the incident he SAW with his own eyes.. This means that your opinion is formed not on an actual event that was seen with your eyes but on the opinion of others. I am sure someone els will have said the same thing.

[robbo]

that my friend really all boils down to said person's perception

 

little game for you then MT, lets assume youve gone to an art gallery and i wasnt able to go. Your on the phone to me describing the art on show

 

 

describe this picture here without obviously using the words "the scream" and "edvard munch"

 

the picture ill get in my head will be similar to the one in yours, but ill guaran-damn-tee it wont be the same

[Coopy100]

what, so when considine has the ball at his feet and launches it right out the park, the commentators view on that is different to minijcs?

Yes. MiniJC can see where other players are standing and doing in relation to the action that the commentator is describing. This sadly could be lacking in the radio commentary or a brief description only given.

For example the commentator could say: considine has booted the ball out of the park with a hearts attacker closing down.

 

MiniJC may see it as this: Considine has booted the ball out needlessly inviting pressure rather than playing a simple pass to a.n. other Aberdeen player when the nearest hearts attacker was 10 yards away and closing him down.

 

The same incident but you are rellying on the commentator giveing a full picture of the events and where other players are in relation to ball etc. It does not present a full and frank picture of what is happening here.

[robbo]

over-rated?

 

okay, not really the point i was going for so here, a picture you wont say is over rated

 

describe that image to me. bear in mind, thats 1 still image, not a 24 frame per second moving thing with 22 different items to focus on plus a ball and 2 goals.

 

what im trying to get at very laboriously is while you may be able to describe in some detail what is on show, i couldnt reproduce that image from your description alone.

 

i show that picture to anyone, theyll be able to copy it easily.