Bluto10 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Just seen a pic of Stuart Holden after his tackle from Jonny Evans in the Satuday Man United Bolton game. I doesnt look that bad but when you read that its a gash through to the bone, required 20odd stitches and will be out for 6 months - I guess it hurt.Shame for him he'll miss their FA cup semi and last season he missed the WC from another bad injury. Bit surprised that that boots can cause an injury like that. I preume its down to the studs but even still. Link to comment
tup Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 It was an atrocious tackle. If an Aberdeen player had committed a foul like that on a Rangers player, they'd be banging on about it for 20 years. Link to comment
ollie1903 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 It was an atrocious tackle. If an Aberdeen player had committed a foul like that on a Rangers player, they'd be banging on about it for 20 years.It was a full blooded, commited challenge from both players. Holden was unfortunate that Evans got to the ball first. The boot could so easily have been on the other foot. I'd be pissed off if I was sent off for that Link to comment
tup Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I'd be pissed off if I was sent off for that Seriously? If that's not a sending off, I'm not sure what is. Whether the challenge was full blooded or not, whether they were both going for the ball or not, the fact remains Evans missed it and clattered Holden in eye watering fashion. To my mind the challenge was reckless, although once he'd committed to it there was no going back. Evans thought about protesting, looked at Holden, seen the injury, and took his medicine. It's a red card offence for sure. At least Coyle had a very dignified response to it, contrasting sharply with Wenger's whining about Shawcross. Link to comment
ollie1903 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Seriously? If that's not a sending off, I'm not sure what is. Whether the challenge was full blooded or not, whether they were both going for the ball or not, the fact remains Evans missed it and clattered Holden in eye watering fashion. To my mind the challenge was reckless, although once he'd committed to it there was no going back. Evans thought about protesting, looked at Holden, seen the injury, and took his medicine. It's a red card offence for sure. At least Coyle had a very dignified response to it, contrasting sharply with Wenger's whining about Shawcross.IMO Evans and Holden are equally commited to the challenge. Evans wins the ball and his momentum takes him into him. Holden is very unlucky to come out of it the way he has. Owen Coyle, I believe thinks the same. Mike Phelan's response baffles me though. He agrees it was 50/50 and both players equally commited, Evans gets a touch on the ball but agrees the ref was correct. The game is soft now. Link to comment
fifered Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I thought Evans was unlucky to be sent off. Both players went in for the ball in exactly the same manner, both off the ground with one straight leg and their left leg bent. When they made contact both had their left legs on the ground. It was just unlucky for Holden that Evans followed through towards his knee whilst Holden went to the side of Evans leg. The red card was given because of the injury and not the tackle in my opinion. In saying that Mike Phelan did say he thought the decision was correct, although I don't think he could say anything else given the furore they made over Nani's injury, albeit Carragher's tackle was atrocious. Link to comment
Pash Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 It was an atrocious tackle.If an Aberdeen player had committed a foul like that on a Rangers player, they'd be banging on about it for 20 years.Don't agree with that. They froze it from side on on MOTD last night and it was like a mirror image, both players did exactely the same thing, only difference was Evans got their first and knocked the ball away then unfortunately injured Holden. Not even a booking imo but if it was then both players should have been booked as they were both off the ground. Link to comment
Sonoftherock Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Feel a bit sorry for both players actually. Evans foot was too high so, by definition, he had to go. However, I don't believe meant to hurt holden. It was a ball that he had to play - the stakes are high and Manchester United are playing for the league title - you have to fight for every ball. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tci7mvxJUaU From the second angle on this video you can make out that Evans actually gets to the ball first, and as the ball pops up he catches Holden with the follow-through. Unfortunate incident. Link to comment
Stoney Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Past few weeks and there has been some awful decisions against us, Wasnt two footed and it wasnt dangerous, 50/50 tackle, plays the ball and both players collide, very harsh red in my opinion, boltons players hardly even reacted which in itself tells a story. Certainly no worse than Carraghers against nani and Luiz against rooney. Link to comment
tup Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Past few weeks and there has been some awful decisions against us Have there? The Dons matches I've seen have passed without refereeing controversy. Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Have there? The Dons matches I've seen have passed without refereeing controversy. Just wait till the 17th of April Link to comment
Stoney Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Have there? The Dons matches I've seen have passed without refereeing controversy. Leave the fishing to me newby Link to comment
beer gut Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Definite red card IMO. He jumps into the tackle with studs showing and goes over the ball. It's reckless. It looks like it's his trailing leg that gets the ball. Stuart Holden comes in low and tries to win the ball from the side. I'm sure if it was a Man U player on the receiving end Fergie would be going mental. Link to comment
tup Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Definite red card IMO. He jumps into the tackle with studs showing and goes over the ball. It's reckless. It looks like it's his trailing leg that gets the ball. Stuart Holden comes in low and tries to win the ball from the side. I'm sure if it was a Man U player on the receiving end Fergie would be going mental. Correct. Lots of folk seeing it through their Man U tinted spectacles, they're the Rangers of England, nothing's ever their fault and they have the refs and media in their pocket. Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 studs up going in for 50/50 ball is a sending off isn't it? the whole point of that rule I thought was to avoid serious injury. Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 read elsewhere that he's out for 6 months Link to comment
Pash Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Correct. Lots of folk seeing it through their Man U tinted spectacles, they're the Rangers of England, nothing's ever their fault and they have the refs and media in their pocket.I don't have Man u spectacles, only Aberdeen ones. I agree with the bit in bold though. Link to comment
Stoney Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 studs up going in for 50/50 ball is a sending off isn't it? the whole point of that rule I thought was to avoid serious injury. For me studs are down, pointing towards ball which is later won, he is in exactly the same position as holden, ball is there to be won by both players, and evens gets there first, good tackle and holden is unlucky with the collision Dont think there is any comparision to be made with gerrard as he went in two footed and missed the ball Link to comment
Stoney Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Carragher made the challenge of the season........But then again the c**t is still walking so he couldnt even do that right =) Link to comment
Bluto10 Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 the pic there of gerrards looks a shocker!mind you he has been known in the past for awful challenges. i think i remmeber one in the liverpool derbys a few years back. Link to comment
tup Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Tedious Liverpool Man U tit for tat aside, Gerrard's tackle is nothing to do with the point being made. Evans' challenge was crude, and had it been Cahill on Rooney, god only knows what sort of fuss would have been made by all and sundry. Has Evans apologised for it? You can see by the look on his face he knew he'd gone too far. Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Tedious Liverpool Man U tit for tat aside, Gerrard's tackle is nothing to do with the point being made. Evans' challenge was crude, and had it been Cahill on Rooney, god only knows what sort of fuss would have been made by all and sundry.Has Evans apologised for it? You can see by the look on his face he knew he'd gone too far. apparently he has called Holden to apologise Link to comment
tightbreeks Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 He chose the US over Scotland to play football for, and up until now he was at the top of the grauniad player ratings, so he's none too shabby. He could have played for Scotland and become a hero, instead he's playing for a country that couldn't give a monkeys about it. Link to comment
K-9 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Definite red card IMO. He jumps into the tackle with studs showing and goes over the ball. It's reckless. It looks like it's his trailing leg that gets the ball. Stuart Holden comes in low and tries to win the ball from the side. I'm sure if it was a Man U player on the receiving end Fergie would be going mental.Agreed. Link to comment
Pash Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 From that picture Stoney you would assume that Holden would be the one getting a red card. He is clearly nowhere near the ball where as Evans right boot is clearly touching it. Link to comment
Stoney Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 From that picture Stoney you would assume that Holden would be the one getting a red card. He is clearly nowhere near the ball where as Evans right boot is clearly touching it. Exactly, Good old fashioned 50/50. Both players putting in a good tackle. "Coyle added: 'In real time, it looked as though two players were committed going for the ball. There didn't seem any malice.'' Dont think it was even a yellow to be honest! Dont see how the ref can punish one player and not the other. Link to comment
Pash Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Exactly, Good old fashioned 50/50. Both players putting in a good tackle. "Coyle added: 'In real time, it looked as though two players were committed going for the ball. There didn't seem any malice.'' Dont think it was even a yellow to be honest! Dont see how the ref can punish one player and not the other.Agreed. A good old fashioned 50/50. One player came out second best and got hurt but that doesn't mean it was a bad challenge. Just unfortunate. Link to comment
tup Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 The ref punished the player who smashed the other player's leg, funnily enough. It's amazing how people see things differently dependant on the colour of shirt of the perpetrator. That it deserved a red card is undeniable to all but the most biased of observers. Link to comment
Stoney Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 The ref punished the player who smashed the other player's leg, funnily enough. It's amazing how people see things differently dependant on the colour of shirt of the perpetrator. That it deserved a red card is undeniable to all but the most biased of observers. Apart from Owen Coyle of course......... =) Link to comment
Pash Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 The ref punished the player who smashed the other player's leg, funnily enough. It's amazing how people see things differently dependant on the colour of shirt of the perpetrator. That it deserved a red card is undeniable to all but the most biased of observers.Well that is funny as I am a neutral. And I also think Holden is ace and Evans is pap. Link to comment
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