The Real Spl

[vanderark14]

http://therealspl.com/index.php

 

thoughts?

[zander]

Pointless so basically the team who comes 3rd wins the real spl? No other gains.

[vanderark14]

Pointless so basically the team who comes 3rd wins the real spl? No other gains.

 

I like the thought of it but it won't really do anything as nothing will change in this country, theres too much fear amongst other clubs and authorities to stand up to those 2. Hearts will no doubt add it to their honours list though

[Pudgie]

Would let us see what a league without the scum would look like table wise.

[zander]

Would let us see what a league without the scum would look like table wise.

 

Could probally do that by just removing the top two, however if third placed supplemented its wins by beating the old firm a few times.

[Pudgie]

Could probally do that by just removing the top two, however if third placed supplemented its wins by beating the old firm a few times.

Well it would be a bitty harder than that, working out all the games the old firm played then subtracting points and goals from the totals of every team. Easy, but a c**t of a job.

[zander]

Suppose could be a bit interesting, we might have made top six and had a positive gd if we hadn't played the tims.

[RUL]

I think its a disgrace that at a time when both rangers and celtic are sh*t at football that we have to resort to looking at league tables pretending we had not played them.

[vanderark14]

I think its a disgrace that at a time when both rangers and celtic are sh*t at football that we have to resort to looking at league tables pretending we had not played them.

 

Celtic and Rangers have declined compared to the Laudrup and Larsson era's but so has every other club in the league, its all relative

[Ke1t]

Any Scottish League not featuring the violence, thuggery, ignorance, racism, anti-semitism, sectarianism, bigotry or greed of the Old Firm gets my vote.

 

Scottish football would thrive without them.

 

They're the cancer that has killed the Scottish game, and so long as they remain part of Scottish football it will be a dead league.

 

Get them both to f**k.

 

Of course that would need the other Scottish teams to be in possession of a working set of bollocks. So we're f**ked.

[nemesis_psyche]

Any Scottish League not featuring the violence, thuggery, ignorance, racism, anti-semitism, sectarianism, bigotry or greed of the Old Firm gets my vote.

 

Scottish football would thrive without them.

 

They're the cancer that has killed the Scottish game, and so long as they remain part of Scottish football it will be a dead league.

 

Get them both to f**k.

 

Of course that would need the other Scottish teams to be in possession of a working set of bollocks. So we're f**ked.

 

The Scottish league would be fine without the Old Firm. Only yesterday Dunfermline and Raith Rovers managed to get over 11,000 at a game in a league with doesn't have either of them in it. Dundee Utd, supposedly one of the bigger SPL teams, have only had a home crowd bigger than this 3 times this season. It's not the Old Firm which increase attendances and enjoyment, it's a competitive league. If Aberdeen were playing Dundee United whilst they were joint top of the league it'd be a sell out. Battling for third (or to get in the top 6) isn't quite as appealling.

 

But never mind. A 10 team league will sort all this. Or a 2 team league and an 8 team league, as that's what it'll really be. You smaller clubs can enjoy fighting over relegation each season. That'll bring the crowds back...

[madjockmcferson]

The Scottish league would be fine without the Old Firm. Only yesterday Dunfermline and Raith Rovers managed to get over 11,000 at a game in a league with doesn't have either of them in it. Dundee Utd, supposedly one of the bigger SPL teams, have only had a home crowd bigger than this 3 times this season. It's not the Old Firm which increase attendances and enjoyment, it's a competitive league. If Aberdeen were playing Dundee United whilst they were joint top of the league it'd be a sell out. Battling for third (or to get in the top 6) isn't quite as appealling.

 

But never mind. A 10 team league will sort all this. Or a 2 team league and an 8 team league, as that's what it'll really be. You smaller clubs can enjoy fighting over relegation each season. That'll bring the crowds back...

 

 

So what they got 11,000 to a one off game. Big deal. Their average attendance is what matters, and they both have sh*te averages. Dumpfermline averaged 3,000 in 2009 and Rovers averaged 2,200 in 2009.

 

Neither of these teams deserves to be in the top division and neither of them will enhance the SPHell.

 

Also, a game against DU would not sell out. An SPHell without the OF would make it more competitive but not necessarily any better. It may well be that the best thing for our league is to down size it. That might be an option if the OF left....but they won't.

[dervish]

I'd sign up for kicking them to f**k. Maybe would start with a total boycott of Sky Sports and petitions to the SPL. It needs to get serious. If the SPL was a members club and two kept bringing the whole club down they'd be barred, these c**ts should be the same.

 

1) Dock points.

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2) Knock em down a league.

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3) Kick them out.

 

0 penalty = 0 results, and it can't stay the same.

[madjockmcferson]

Nonsense, Dunfermline especially would contribute far more than Hamilton's pathetic crowds.

 

This fantasy league looks like nonsense, time and effort would be far better used lobbying the SFA/SPL to try and grow some balls and stand up to the Old Firm.

 

The Old Firm, scummy f**kers as they are, are the least of our worries at present.

 

Dumpfermline are as bad as Hamilton. Hamilton's average crowd is 3,000, Dumpfermlines is simliar - neither team is big enough for a top league. The Sfl is full of crap.

[Ke1t]

It's not the Old Firm which increase attendances and enjoyment, it's a competitive league. If Aberdeen were playing Dundee United whilst they were joint top of the league it'd be a sell out. Battling for third (or to get in the top 6) isn't quite as appealling.

 

This is the thousand pound gorilla in the room that everyone manages to ignore.

 

The lack of any kind of competition, where virtually every prize up for grabs is won with monotonous regularity, again and again and again, by either one of the two most vile clubs on the face of this planet is the reason the game is dying.

 

Every year they win the league, every year they win the cups with one or two rare exceptions, every year the gobble up the TV money (what little of it there is. Every year they gain entry into the only major money spinner, the Champions League. Now they've started demanding money from the other clubs, a form of protection money under the guise of "5% for administration."

 

And they do this with the approval of the authorities in Scotland.

 

This doesn't even begin to highlight the ways in which these two clubs bring the Scottish game into disrepute over and over again. When they're not rioting and tearing cities to pieces they're sending mail bombs to each other.

 

They bring nothing to the table, save an increased crowd a few times a season... this 'benefit' is more than negated by the worsening crowds as a result of a lack of competition, the protection money we have to pay them, the lack of Champions League football for any other club, the lack of prize money from domestic competition for any other club.

 

They do far, far more harm than good... and there's no good reason to remain in a league which is run for the benefit of only two teams.

 

Unfortunately, as has been pointed out repeatedly, our clubs are run by short-sighted cowards. Cowards who think that increasing or decreasing the number of non-OF clubs in the top league will somehow improve the situation.

 

The bottom line is that if there are 10 clubs in the SPL then it's 8 clubs who will win nothing. If it's 16 clubs in the top league then it's 14 teams who will win nothing.... How that changes anything is a mystery.

[Bobby Connor]

This concept is pathetic. Losers.

[K-9]

I think its a disgrace that at a time when both rangers and celtic are sh*t at football that we have to resort to looking at league tables pretending we had not played them.

This.

[B_T]

This.

 

Some of you gents are missing the point, Scottish football is dying. The Old Firm monopoly is out of control. The SPL, SFA and the media pander to the old firm, they live in fear that they will move to a different league. They have both made it perfectly clear they don

[RUL]

The Real SPL is a load of sh*te, anyone that gives credence to it is a loser.

[Giblets]

The Real SPL is a load of sh*te, anyone that gives credence to it is a loser.

 

So what do you suggest then? Just keep going the way we are going?

[vanderark14]

The Real SPL is a load of sh*te, anyone that gives credence to it is a loser.

 

what a great contribution to the discussion, pretty much the same with all of your posts lately

[vanderark14]

This.

 

K-9 do you honestly believe that nay of the other ten clubs in the SPL are in a position to challenge the old firm?

[vanderark14]

So basically we're giving up because they're too good for us?

 

I'd far rather we got our own act together as a club, and be better placed to beat the filth regularly.

 

The whole thing is a stupid idea.

 

I'd far rather we did that as well so please tell me how this is done bripod?

[vanderark14]

Make the best out of our available budget.

 

and you believe that would challenge the old firm for honours?

[vanderark14]

Erm, we'd be a lot closer?

 

so we wouldn't be challenging them then?

[vanderark14]

I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball?

 

You can't start whinging about things being too hard until we have a proper shot at it?

 

Folk are talking about taking out the two best teams because they're too good, if that's not a losers mentality I don't know what is.

 

I think you are completely deluded bripod if you think we will get any where near the old firm. Its not a loser mentality its reality I'm afraid.

[nemesis_psyche]

I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball?

 

You can't start whinging about things being too hard until we have a proper shot at it?

 

Folk are talking about taking out the two best teams because they're too good, if that's not a losers mentality I don't know what is.

 

It's not about them being too good, it's about them being on a different level financially (which their greed and the incompetence of the rest of the SPL has helped develop).

 

Even if Aberdeen do have a miraculous start to next season and find themselves, at Christmas, 10 points clear of the SPL you still wouldn't win the league. By the end of January either Rangers or Celtic would have stole your manager and your 10 best players would be scattered amongst the Old Firm and the Championship.

 

The whole thing is a joke.

[dervish]

Getting rid should probably be accepted as nigh on impossible. However they could be docked points for their behavior (fans and club), taxed for the extended policing requirements, have their European places handed to the next Scottish team if they sing their silly songs in Europe/trash another city. Obviously changing the rules pretty much requires them to agree. However if we could 1) Get SFA on side to impose whichever sanctions they can. 2) Get the police to withdraw support for their games 3) Try to get UEFA to ban them from competition we could contrive to deliver substantial ball-ache to them.

 

Also separately I think whichever teams get the Euro spots should have (at least part) of the amount they get for winning the league/cup "re-distributed" on the occasion of them getting money for participation in Europe using "our league"'s places.

 

Hey-ho only chat really but what else is the internet good for?

[tayred]

The Real SPL is a load of sh*te, anyone that gives credence to it is a loser.

 

As opposed to? Lets face it the Spl as it stands - no, Scottish football as it stands - is well on the path to a painful death. Unless something changes soon we can kiss the game goodbye. Crowds are dropping all over, even the evil twosome are seeing crowds drop. Games being played in the middle of the afternoon on a weekday is just another sign that as far as the SPL are concerned the fans are not the priority - or even part of the equation it seems.

 

If the game is to recover, then we need competition. Only by providing that can you hope to generate the excitement to bring the crowds back (and increase TV interest). Now how is that going to happen when the Glasgow two have complete control of the setup? The remaining clubs just tug their forelock and fall into line when they are told. Referees are being bullied into toeing the line. The SFA are so pathetically weak and spineless that UEFA are having to step in and try to do the dirty work, as our game is repeatedly humiliated by association with these two clubs. Even the Police are now having to do the work that should be being done by the clubs and the SFA/SPL.

 

Something has to happen and yes I kinda agree the Real SPL idea is, as it stands, is verging on just being a glorified fantasy football league. But, its something, a start, somewhere that ideas can be put forward and shot down if/when required. If it gets sufficient support and publicity maybe the authorities might at least wake up to the fact that the long suffering non-OF fans are growing very, very restless.

 

Meantime, I admire your apparent belief that any club outside the OF have any chance of truely competing for the league. It will get worse if the 10 team league idea goes ahead. No club will be able to press the old firm, even Hearts with the millions they have thrown at it are nowhere close. Doing nothing nothing and leaving it to the nutters that are in charge of the game will mean it's death. Calling those that are at least willing to try something as being "losers" and supporting "a load of sh*te" is about as useful as Willie Miller in a chip shop. The real loser is going to be our game, if everyone like you is happy just to pay up, put up and shut up like the chairmen would like us to every bl***y week.