K-9 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 BBC link New bill to tackle sectarianism in Scottish football The Scottish government has published its proposals for legislation to tackle sectarianism related to football, including tough new prison terms. The bill aims to stamp out abusive behaviour from football fans whether they are watching matches in a stadium, in the pub or commenting online. It would raise the maximum jail term from six months to five years. But the legal profession and Holyrood's justice committee raised fears the laws were being rushed through too quickly. The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Bill, which could be passed by 30 June and in place for the start of the football season in July, aims to tackle disorder around football matches and clamp down on internet hate postings. The draft legislation includes two new offences. The first relates to stirring up religious hatred at or around football matches in a way likely to cause public disorder. It will also apply to pubs which are showing the games on television. The second addresses the use of new technology to air old prejudices. It bans communications anywhere, including on sites such as Facebook and Twitter, which involve a threat or incitement to stir up religious hatred. The new legislation comes in the wake of several high-profile football-related incidents, including the recent appearance of two men in court, after suspected bombs were sent to Celtic manager Neil Lennon and two other high-profile supporters of the club, in March. However, justice committee convener and SNP MSP Christine Grahame said the time scale for passing the bill meant it may not get the proper parliamentary scrutiny. She called on the Scottish government to insert a "sunset clause" into the legislation, requiring MSPs to revisit it at a later stage. Her concerns were echoed by the committee's deputy convener, Labour MSP James Kelly, who said: "We look forward to working constructively with the Scottish government to ensure the new laws are in place as quickly as possible, but, if we rush this legislation through at breakneck speed without proper scrutiny, there is a real danger that we will get something wrong." Bill McVicar, of The Law Society of Scotland, expressed similar concern, saying time must be made for proper consultation and scrutiny. He said: "Without this consultation there is the risk that the legislation could be passed which either does not meet its objective or is inconsistent with existing law, making it unworkable. "It could also result in legislation that is open to successful challenge." And the moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, The Right Rev David Arnott, said he was "nervous" about the plan to see the bill approved by 30 June. "Whilst we are not against the ideas in this bill, we remain unconvinced of the wisdom of this approach," he said. "The speed at which it is being rushed through means it appears to lack scrutiny and clarity. "The government is rightly asking for support from across civic Scotland, but is not giving civic Scotland much time to make sure they are happy with the content." Scotland's community safety minister, Roseanna Cunningham, said the bill was the beginning and not the end of the fight against sectarianism. "We felt as a government that we had to move fast while we dealt with the broader problem right throughout society," she said. "Of course, there is a great deal more work that needs to be done right across society in order for us to tackle the bigger problem which is endemic across Scotland." The minister warned: "There is no pot of fairy dust - I cannot sprinkle Scotland and have it change overnight, much as I would wish that to be the case. "But what do have, as a society, to do is to address it, stop tolerating it - I think that has been one of the problems in Scotland. "It shames us and it shames us in the eyes of the world and we have begun to see that and understand that and it is time we really began to tackle it." ------------------------------ Sectarian bill - key measuresThe legislation introduces two new offences on football-related behaviour regarded as offensive and threatening. One will look at disorder around football matches inside the ground, and extends to those travelling to and from stadiums, as well as fans watching games elsewhere, for example, in pubs or on big screens outdoors. The second offence deals with serious threats - including murder - made on the internet. That would take in posts on sites like Facebook and Twitter, as well as specific websites. Both offences would become indictable, with a maximum punishment of five years in jail. The maximum jail term for sectarian hate crimes is currently six months. As is always the case, any new law sets out the penalties available - decisions on sentencing in each case are a matter for the courts. ------------------ Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill (SP Bill 1) Link to comment
barassie_afc Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 An utter over reaction, did these guys not go to football in the 80s and 90s. What will be regarded as "sectarian" what is and what is not allowed ? This will be a fkn minefield. Link to comment
Donmacca Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 This won't change anything. People doing this will just carry on as they simply just don't care. Link to comment
Dandyesque Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 An utter over reaction, did these guys not go to football in the 80s and 90s. What will be regarded as "sectarian" what is and what is not allowed ? This will be a fkn minefield. Minefield is the right word. I for one will be far from impressed if I get 5 years for calling a hun a hun, just beceause I happen to be at a football match Maybe it's time to start using the term for Celtic fans again, just to make it clear that it's an insult, but not a sectarian one? Link to comment
Tommy Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 rangers and their support will always be the huns. I aint stopping calling them that and this is just a pathetic attempt by parliament to be pc. The issue of jailing anyone caught with a knife makes far more sense to me. Link to comment
tup Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 There are plans afoot to build 60,000 & 45,000 capacity, all seated jails in the Parkhead and Govan areas. Link to comment
Scarface Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 An utter over reaction, did these guys not go to football in the 80s and 90s. What will be regarded as "sectarian" what is and what is not allowed ? This will be a fkn minefield. Spot on, barass. Sledgehammer to crack a nut. It's another example of do-gooding liberals sanitising football to the extent where it will no longer but enjoyable for your average punter to attend. Watch any of yer big games from the Bundesliga, Serie A, or South America and you'll see proper cauldrons of partizan hostility and yet we're pandering to a few MSPs getting all upset about a couple of controversial chants. Link to comment
bobb4you Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Never thought I'd see Aberdeen fans become the apologists for sectarianism. Link to comment
barassie_afc Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Never thought I'd see Aberdeen fans become the apologists for sectarianism. ? Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Play a game or two behind closed doors and if still no joy then take points off them. Problem solved and a better league to boot. Link to comment
amancalledbuck Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 I'm mostly in favour of sectarianism. Link to comment
Admin Bebo Posted June 18, 2011 Admin Share Posted June 18, 2011 There wasn't enough police to enforce the laws previous to this at stadiums and these new laws aren't going to magical up police balls to enforce these ones either. Waste of time. Link to comment
tightbreeks Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 balls to families at football. familes just come along and ruin everything. i want to shout and swear and abuse people at the footy. the stewards at celtic park take a very dim view of sectarinjism round about the dugouts, but it's probably fair game everywhere else. Link to comment
onlyjim Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 ? Read the forumsGo to the gamesThe old firm might be the worst but i have been sickened at many a game listening to some of the Dons fans sectarianism and some of their racist remarks as well.My apologies if you are deaf as i do not wish to offend. Link to comment
Dynamo Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Read the forumsGo to the gamesThe old firm might be the worst but i have been sickened at many a game listening to some of the Dons fans sectarianism and some of their racist remarks as well.My apologies if you are deaf as i do not wish to offend. FTP Link to comment
onlyjim Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 FTP Friendly Topical Polite.What a lovely comment.I take my hat off to you/ Link to comment
bobb4you Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 f**k this sh*t. Hammer the scum. Link to comment
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