spamspamspam Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 BBC Story So a judge has just ordered BT to block a site that posts links to other sites that host pirate films and TV shows etc. Personally I think the entertainment industries are going about this the wrong way. I fully understand that the money from sales etc goes towards the making of the product be that a TV program, movie or music but technology has moved on when the industry hasnt. I think the film, TV and music industry should look at ways of making money through imbedded ads on TV programs, product placement - lets face it how much money does Apple make from its macbooks being seen on almost every cop show on TV? I dont actually think they pay for the privilege in the UK, if they did we'd have that product placement mark on the program. Its the TV side of this that has annoyed me more than movies, I'm not a movie person but with programs like SGU, The Event, Caprica (didnt watch it but its of the same genre) and V all cancelled this year due to poorish viewing figures (when they then take in people watching online, Sky+ and illegally downloading etc they are all well watched and if they had these figures watching live on the night of broadcasr each program would be commercially viable) but all this means lack of money from advertising so the initial broadcaster doesnt fork out the up front fee to commission. Piracy is hurting us as well right now, we no longer get quality programming and films are just reworks of the same commercially viable formula over and over again. So thoughts... is this going to make a difference to how you download/watch films and TV or do you think all it does is start a game of cat and mouse between the people who set up these sites and those who make the films and TV programs in the first place? Do you feel that you are part of the problem when downloading a movie or a TV program or do you think that its up to the makers to insure they make money by thinking out of the boy when it comes to how they advertise during their program when its on air and also online? Last question/point. Would you happily sit through a film you downloaded for free if, as you see on a TV program you download that has the next program popping up underneath it, it had adverts for products doing the same and had blatant product placement in it to help pay the money you no longer pay by downloading? These are of course hypothetical questions, downloading a film or a TV program is illegal... Link to comment
diamondsr4ever Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 whilst they still host and allow kiddie porn and all other paedo pish without a care in the world. c**ts Link to comment
spamspamspam Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 whilst they still host and allow kiddie porn and all other paedo pish without a care in the world. c**ts Strange post considering your vote These sites exist in the mainstream of interweb because people want to download movies and tv programs illegally. If you take away their main source of traffic then a lot of them wouldnt be needed anymore. Wouldnt supporting the networks and film makers by downloading their films and programs with ads officially help? Dont think you bothered reading the post actually... Link to comment
diamondsr4ever Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Strange post considering your vote These sites exist in the mainstream of interweb because people want to download movies and tv programs illegally. If you take away their main source of traffic then a lot of them wouldnt be needed anymore. Wouldnt supporting the networks and film makers by downloading their films and programs with ads officially help? Dont think you bothered reading the post actually... BT to block a site Link to comment
spamspamspam Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 BT to block a site so you didnt Link to comment
diamondsr4ever Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 so you didnt the whole thing is a sham, boring and a fecken nonsense considering what IS allowed through these sites, and most sites. Link to comment
Jones Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 the whole thing is a sham, boring and a fecken nonsense considering what IS allowed through these sites, and most sites. What do you mean? What sites? Link to comment
spamspamspam Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 the whole thing is a sham, boring and a fecken nonsense considering what IS allowed through these sites, and most sites. asking what networks and film makers can do instead of just relying on the 30 seconds of ads they get is a sham and boring and feckin nonsense? Link to comment
diamondsr4ever Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 asking what networks and film makers can do instead of just relying on the 30 seconds of ads they get is a sham and boring and feckin nonsense? I fecken hate ads....and would prefer to pay for a download without them, I have no intetrest in pizza hut offers beforem after or during a film. sorry for the previous rant... Link to comment
Big Man Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 This is an interesting subject spamspamspam and it's an issue which i think (more than any other) is going to dominate this decade. For me, i wouldn't want to sit through adverts on a free copy of a film – not because im impatient but because of an important matter of principle. Article 5 of the European convention on human rights provides that everyone has the right to liberty and security of person – but that these rights are subject to lawful restriction (what constitutes lawful is a whole other debate). Why should i be a slave to the global media conglomerates that control the mainstream entertainment industry – that churn out the same paint by numbers pish year after year, decade after decade (and make billions of pounds doing it at my expense), depriving my brain of much needed intellectual stimulation? They dominate our lives with their product placement pish and blatant advertising – they're far too powerful. I'll look for another version of the film, whether legal or so called ''illegal'' thanks. That's me exercising my right to choose, a right which they want to take away. P2P is just the normal guy on the street exercising their lawful right to do as they wish and take back that power. 20 years ago if i bought a copy of the lion king on VHS and wanted to share it with one of my pals (say Rocket_Scientist) i'd nip round to his house and gee it to the boy (nothing illegal in that), and then when he'd finished with it he'd pass it on. Nowadays, if i buy a film online and want to share it with my pals i can do that online as well. But lets say i don't have 1 pal lets say i have 2 million – then the only possible way to share films is through P2P. When does legal sharing become illegal file sharing? This is nothing more than the thought police attempting to re-take the control they once had over us before the internet age. Disgusting. Don't get me wrong if something is worthy of my money i'll happily go out and buy it. But the latest pishy blockbuster release that gets rammed down my throat - forget it. Good luck to the filesharers when they go around sharing that s/hit. Link to comment
Foster14 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I pay a tenner a month to be a premium member at Spotify, so that I don't have to listen to their annoying adverts. Often use it to try before you buy and such like. Guess I would be the same with films and television shows, I would rather pay to get a version that didn't have them. I guess the argument is a bit moot with me though, since I have never been one for downloading films or television programmes illegally. Link to comment
spamspamspam Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 This is an interesting subject spamspamspam and it's an issue which i think (more than any other) is going to dominate this decade. For me, i wouldn't want to sit through adverts on a free copy of a film Link to comment
spamspamspam Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 I pay a tenner a month to be a premium member at Spotify, so that I don't have to listen to their annoying adverts. Often use it to try before you buy and such like. Guess I would be the same with films and television shows, I would rather pay to get a version that didn't have them. I guess the argument is a bit moot with me though, since I have never been one for downloading films or television programmes illegally. never used spotify, is that the same sort of site as Hulu is in the US where you can watch streaming vids on demand? I know the likes of netflix and Hulu are now looking into commissioning their own mini-series but our networks are making it hard for companies like these to do business in the UK. In the US, fox and Sy Fy programs are available on both their own websites and on Hulu but the likes of ITV and the BBC here wont agree with Hulu to do the same in the UK so they are also holding up any other ways of showing the programs and making money from them. Link to comment
Henry Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (say Rocket_Scientist) i'd nip round to his house and gee it to the boy (nothing illegal in that) Link to comment
Foster14 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 There's a big difference between giving your mate a shot and sticking it online for anyone to download. You just have to look at chart sales to see how the numbers have been effected. It used to be you had to sell 5000 copies in a week to get into the top 100, now that gives you a number 1. The music industry has went down the ultra commercial route, a band is made, their song is hyped and sold and then they do the stadium tours. Its left us with a mainstream music industry devoid of talent. If the film and tv industry goes the same way then there will be nothing worth watching at all. The film industry still makes plenty from the cinema, its still a popular pass time and some can take in billions at the box office. I'm sure if a film was brought to you by, in connection with and then had the odd pop up you'd be able to cope, at the end of the day you are getting someones work. I'm sure you wouldnt be happy if your work was given out for free... As I said though its the TV programs thats really effected by the likes of Sky+ which is perfectly legal and above board and downloads which arent legit. I think its this part of the market the industry has to target first. If it doesnt we'll end up with nothing but reality tv hosted by celebs made famous from other reality tv programs. Anything cheap as chips to make... Sorry, should have clarified, Spotify is music streaming though you can also listen to offline if you are a premium member. You can get it for free, but there will be adverts every 3 or 4 songs. A premium member doesn't have that. Link to comment
muttondressedaslamb Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Excuse my ignorance about all this as I'm a technophobe, but does this apply to streaming films and TV also? i.e. does the website blocked stream films? Is streaming a film/TV prog illegal? I used to download but tend to stream now. Link to comment
Admin Bebo Posted July 28, 2011 Admin Share Posted July 28, 2011 Excuse my ignorance about all this as I'm a technophobe, but does this apply to streaming films and TV also? i.e. does the website blocked stream films? Is streaming a film/TV prog illegal? I used to download but tend to stream now. The court ruling only applies to one ISP (BT), and one site (Newzbin). However it does set a precedent, and possible slippery slope to future and similar orders to other individual streaming and torrent sites. Well, any site really, not just those that are engaged in filesharing. Link to comment
spamspamspam Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 Excuse my ignorance about all this as I'm a technophobe, but does this apply to streaming films and TV also? i.e. does the website blocked stream films? Is streaming a film/TV prog illegal? I used to download but tend to stream now. It depends where you stream it from. If you have a Love Films account or you watch something on the iplayer for one of the channels then no it isnt illegal. If you are watching it on megavideo them yes it is illegal to watch as it is for them to host. However, all your internet supplier can see is you are watching something and not what you are watching so at the moment they cant catch you. Its certain sites that will be blocked, this newzbin one for example. It shows links to where to download... Link to comment
Big Man Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 There's a big difference between giving your mate a shot and sticking it online for anyone to download. You just have to look at chart sales to see how the numbers have been effected. It used to be you had to sell 5000 copies in a week to get into the top 100, now that gives you a number 1. The music industry has went down the ultra commercial route, a band is made, their song is hyped and sold and then they do the stadium tours. Its left us with a mainstream music industry devoid of talent. If the film and tv industry goes the same way then there will be nothing worth watching at all. The film industry still makes plenty from the cinema, its still a popular pass time and some can take in billions at the box office. I'm sure if a film was brought to you by, in connection with and then had the odd pop up you'd be able to cope, at the end of the day you are getting someones work. I'm sure you wouldnt be happy if your work was given out for free... As I said though its the TV programs thats really effected by the likes of Sky+ which is perfectly legal and above board and downloads which arent legit. I think its this part of the market the industry has to target first. If it doesnt we'll end up with nothing but reality tv hosted by celebs made famous from other reality tv programs. Anything cheap as chips to make... I agree with almost everything you've said here (about the way of the music industry and reality tv etc), i share your concern. But IMHO, P2P is going to be the acid test for the entertainment industry – and thats nothing but a good thing. The cheap as chips pish that's too easy to make will hopefully flounder and the grade A stellar pieces with the well written scripts and the golden globe quality acting will flourish. Look at shows like Lost, The Sopranos, The Wire – television triumphs of the past decade. Almost everyone i know downloaded and watched these shows illegally to some extent. Did this stop them making hundreds of millions of pounds? Most people i know went out and bought them after they watched them the first time for free. People know when something is worth the money they are paying for it, and they know when it isn't. In my experience people file share for two reasons 1) To test the waters i.e. see if the sopranos is any good 2) Because something is so second rate or gash or not worth your money – but you still want to watch it anyway. I'm sure you wouldnt be happy if your work was given out for free... Well, admittedly this depends on what kind of work it was of mine. But why do Mozilla give away their browser for free? why is the source code for ubuntu available online? why are there a free office suites out there to rival Microsoft's? why do doctors and lawyers volunteer their time pro bono?– its the satisfaction of knowing that your helping your fellow man. And the internet does nothing but encourage that kind of philanthropy. A dangerous precedent has been set today – the defining feature of the world wide web is that it can't be censored. Secure P2P over a Tor type network is on its way... You know how he is saying... like saying I'm gay. Alright, I'm not gay. In fact, I can honestly say I've never come over a little queer. Link to comment
spamspamspam Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 I agree with almost everything you've said here (about the way of the music industry and reality tv etc), i share your concern. But IMHO, P2P is going to be the acid test for the entertainment industry Link to comment
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