Jack_Glass Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Just read a wee bit from CB asking for more cash to be directed into Scots Football to save our game and sports in general. My only concern about this is how the cash is distributed because knowing the OF, they'll find some way of manipulating the system so they can get more than the rest of us, on grounds they need it to strengthen Scots football in Europe. I think it's daft folk winning 100million all to themselves when 1 or 2 million per person is more than enough, the rest of the cash could rebuild Scots football in a big way and improve sports & arts at all levels for all ages across Scotland. Thoughts? Link to comment
Big Man Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 No. I think the money would be pissed up a wall as per usual. Anyway, it would be a temporary solution to what is a much more deep seated and systemic problem. Scottish football is dying on its arse for the simple reason that it is not commercial enough relative to the premiership, La liga, Serie A. We just don Link to comment
Jack_Glass Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share Posted August 27, 2011 It would require a steady stream of cash to at least help clubs hold onto their best home-grown players. Any cash would be a help just now. Even if each team only got 250-500k a year each, with the provision it's used only for youth & training facilities development, in time it could help raise standards, even just a little. Then give teams bonus cash for bringing through players from youth to their first teams after a certain amount of full appearances. Every little helps. It may not save our game completely, but it's a start. Link to comment
Bamber Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Football as in clubs should not receive one penny of lottery cash however sporting facilities throughout the uk would seriously benefit from some sort of cash injection a full sized indoor pitch in each town over say 75k woudl be a start - good quality inner city playing fields another give money to football - nope Link to comment
Site Sponsor RTYD Posted August 29, 2011 Site Sponsor Share Posted August 29, 2011 Just read a wee bit from CB asking for more cash to be directed into Scots Football to save our game and sports in general. My only concern about this is how the cash is distributed because knowing the OF, they'll find some way of manipulating the system so they can get more than the rest of us, on grounds they need it to strengthen Scots football in Europe. I think it's daft folk winning 100million all to themselves when 1 or 2 million per person is more than enough, the rest of the cash could rebuild Scots football in a big way and improve sports & arts at all levels for all ages across Scotland. Thoughts? Don't like socialism it doesn't work and stunts ambition. I for example in winning Link to comment
dj_bollocks Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 I'd only give Lottery money or government funding if the SFA, SPL and SFL agreed to disband and form one quango esque organistaion that was held accountable... and (and there's probably something like it already...) a National Soccer School where the SPL teams have to pay for and get draft picks based on league position - so the promoted team from the first division gets the first pick, champions get the last pick (needs a little work)... I'd also go back to some variation of the no more than 5 foreigners rule, or at least 5 Scots born players in your team - though no doubt the EU would have something to say about that... Or have a lump sum as an interest free loan... Link to comment
Jack_Glass Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Don't like socialism it doesn't work and stunts ambition. I for example in winning Link to comment
Jack_Glass Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 I'd only give Lottery money or government funding if the SFA, SPL and SFL agreed to disband and form one quango esque organistaion that was held accountable... and (and there's probably something like it already...) a National Soccer School where the SPL teams have to pay for and get draft picks based on league position - so the promoted team from the first division gets the first pick, champions get the last pick (needs a little work)... I'd also go back to some variation of the no more than 5 foreigners rule, or at least 5 Scots born players in your team - though no doubt the EU would have something to say about that... Or have a lump sum as an interest free loan... Like the way they do in American football? Link to comment
Redstar Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Lottery cash....Good God!!Lottery Cash is meant to be given to charitable organisations...although AFC is run like a charity case... it isn't a registered charity.Milne get yer hand in your pocket ya grippet cu*t.....your a fu*king embarasment to the City Link to comment
stirlingsheep Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Heard the interview with CB about this, he was suggesting not that football was a charitable organisation, but that hundreds of millions had been ploughed in to the arts over the years, and he thought that the lottery could do the same for sports in the country, think it was more to do with youth facilities in the country than individual clubs receiving money. Pointed to Norway, where there is something like 30 purpose built facilities to accommodate indoor football, and this was years ago, whereas Scotland was still lagging way behind. Link to comment
OddJob Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Does Scottish football deserve lottery cash: NO In fact lottery cash as far as i'm concerned should be getting put to better economical use in this country i.e road improvements, NHS, schools etc. Sports shouldn't even come into the equation in any country. Link to comment
madjockmcferson Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Football doesn't deserve taxpayers money. The taxpayer should definitely fund good facilities, including indoor, but they should not directly finance football...not when players earn as much as they do (esp the OF)..... Link to comment
madjockmcferson Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Does Scottish football deserve lottery cash: NO In fact lottery cash as far as i'm concerned should be getting put to better economical use in this country i.e road improvements, NHS, schools etc. Sports shouldn't even come into the equation in any country. All of these things should be financed out of taxation....not the lottery. The lottery shouldn't be a substitute for paying for what the government should be financing. Link to comment
Dynamo Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Does Scottish football deserve lottery cash: NO In fact lottery cash as far as i'm concerned should be getting put to better economical use in this country i.e road improvements, NHS, schools etc. Sports shouldn't even come into the equation in any country. Are you kidding me? Sport is vital to every country. it brings people together. It can give kids a chance to do something special, something to focus on and stay out of trouble. To dismiss sport like you have just done is ridiculous. Do you not think the government would look like a bit of a joke if they took in lottery cash to fund the NHS? Pay for road improvements? That's what taxes are for. Lottery cash should be for commiunity centres, football pitches to make things like sport easily accessible for everyone. Scottish football receieving lottery cash doesn't necessarily mean a handout to clubs. Simply providing public facilities. Link to comment
tup Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Lottery cash is all very well, basically what that amounts to is to say England have lots of money, we want some too. Which is of course totally missing the point. More money = less competition. We know that, we're living in it in terms of the footballing landscape right f**king now. So more money does not solve it. Lottery cash SHOULD however be given for facilities, for all clubs, evenly. They gave eighty f**king million to the Scottish Arts council, which lends credence to the theory that the lottery is run by elitists hellbent on taxing the stupidity of poor people, and making a fortune every week for their minimal effort in getting some faggott to press a button on a glorified bingo machine to a tinned drumroll and voiceover man's predictable background drivel. So if they give that to those c**ts, who'll fritter it away in bars in Rose Street in Edinburgh with a bunch of f**king luvvies before doing something mental whilst out of their minds on drugs which, come sobriety, actually looks a bit different, like sellotaping household appliances to a wall covered in HP sauce, that type of thing, seems absurd, but it sells. Sure as sh*t it disna cost eighty f**king million. Getting lottery cash is a song and f**king dance for small groups so christ knows how football clubs like ours (vulgarity say the Camelot board, REJECT!) would lever it, I say no chance. Link to comment
dj_bollocks Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Like the way they do in American football? Well they should be paying for it... Then ensuring that the least successful teams get the benefit of it... Rather than the OF just lifting their skirts and throwing cash at the best talent... One things for sure, some radical rethinking and doing things differently is what's required because if we just emulate what everyone else is doing we'll always be a third world footballing country... Look at cricket, or to a slightly lesser degree golf... Coming up with new formats and new ways for even kids from less well off back grounds to engage and interact. Kids playing 5 a side or 6 a side - bringing back the Tennent's Sixes, Summer Sixes (particularly all those years Scotland aren't in any championship (ie every year) - Schools Sixes ? I dunno... But you can bet your ass if we don't get the required results in the Euro Qualifiers in the next week, they'll be even more knells about the Death of Scottish Football... Link to comment
OddJob Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Are you kidding me? Sport is vital to every country. it brings people together. It can give kids a chance to do something special, something to focus on and stay out of trouble. To dismiss sport like you have just done is ridiculous. Do you not think the government would look like a bit of a joke if they took in lottery cash to fund the NHS? Pay for road improvements? That's what taxes are for. Lottery cash should be for commiunity centres, football pitches to make things like sport easily accessible for everyone. Scottish football receieving lottery cash doesn't necessarily mean a handout to clubs. Simply providing public facilities.Sorry didn't actually word that the way i should have, meant to say that lottery money if it were to be spent on sport shouldn't be prioritised to that. The thing is we talk about our taxes going towards education, NHS etc but is it really though? Most of our taxes feel like they are being spunked away quite frankly cause have any of you seen any major improvements going on in our city? I haven't seen many with the exception of Union Square and i'm not even sure if that was payed with taxpayers money or not. So what i'm saying is ok i've no problem with lottery cash being used to fund sports, as you say Dynamo anything to keep kids away from trouble (although it still won't deter every kid) but i just think there's more pressing issues to be dealt with first but hey ho just my tuppence worth Link to comment
Ke1t Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Scottish football is controlled by greedy morons at the top and bulked out by cowards like those who run Aberdeen Football Club at the bottom. It deserves f**k all but a kick in its collective c**t. Link to comment
Site Sponsor RTYD Posted August 30, 2011 Site Sponsor Share Posted August 30, 2011 Aberdeen must be run by socialists then Scotland as a whole in all levels of sports/arts is fairly stunted anyway, surely some kind of financial reform to improve our kids futures would be a benefit to the whole country in time. That's a different bag of spanners. I like what the Govt is doing with proceeds of crime money by sponsoring the league cup. Put that a stage further and use all such monies for healthy lifestyle options, in other words kids fitba. Link to comment
Site Sponsor RTYD Posted August 30, 2011 Site Sponsor Share Posted August 30, 2011 Does Scottish football deserve lottery cash: NO In fact lottery cash as far as i'm concerned should be getting put to better economical use in this country i.e road improvements, NHS, schools etc. Sports shouldn't even come into the equation in any country. It's all about choices. I think lottery cash should be used for anything which IS NOT the responsibility of Government. Do we really want to spunk more money into the NHS when clearly the problem with it is that the vast sums currently being spent have massive waste elements to them. Link to comment
Site Sponsor RTYD Posted August 30, 2011 Site Sponsor Share Posted August 30, 2011 Are you kidding me? Sport is vital to every country. it brings people together. It can give kids a chance to do something special, something to focus on and stay out of trouble. To dismiss sport like you have just done is ridiculous. Do you not think the government would look like a bit of a joke if they took in lottery cash to fund the NHS? Pay for road improvements? That's what taxes are for. Lottery cash should be for commiunity centres, football pitches to make things like sport easily accessible for everyone. Scottish football receieving lottery cash doesn't necessarily mean a handout to clubs. Simply providing public facilities. Leave the site immediately, that is far too sensible a statement. Link to comment
Site Sponsor RTYD Posted August 30, 2011 Site Sponsor Share Posted August 30, 2011 Lottery cash is all very well, basically what that amounts to is to say England have lots of money, we want some too. Which is of course totally missing the point. More money = less competition. We know that, we're living in it in terms of the footballing landscape right f**king now. So more money does not solve it. Lottery cash SHOULD however be given for facilities, for all clubs, evenly. They gave eighty f**king million to the Scottish Arts council, which lends credence to the theory that the lottery is run by elitists hellbent on taxing the stupidity of poor people, and making a fortune every week for their minimal effort in getting some faggott to press a button on a glorified bingo machine to a tinned drumroll and voiceover man's predictable background drivel. So if they give that to those c**ts, who'll fritter it away in bars in Rose Street in Edinburgh with a bunch of f**king luvvies before doing something mental whilst out of their minds on drugs which, come sobriety, actually looks a bit different, like sellotaping household appliances to a wall covered in HP sauce, that type of thing, seems absurd, but it sells. Sure as sh*t it disna cost eighty f**king million. Getting lottery cash is a song and f**king dance for small groups so christ knows how football clubs like ours (vulgarity say the Camelot board, REJECT!) would lever it, I say no chance. So we don't buy lottery tickets up here then? Link to comment
tup Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 So we don't buy lottery tickets up here then? Your point being? Link to comment
Site Sponsor RTYD Posted August 31, 2011 Site Sponsor Share Posted August 31, 2011 Your point being? Simple; you state that if we got lottery money it would be English money, therefore the implication is that only the English contribute to the lottery surplus, therefore we don't buy lottery tickets here. Link to comment
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