HH_is_back Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Three points are three points but as usual we needed to make it difficult for ourselves with a leaderless display. We have got the making of a half decent side in that squad, thats my genuine opinion. Just a shame we lack leadership and experience. The back 4 just panic and there is clearly no communication at all amongst them. The amount of times that Considine and Foster went for the same ball was embarrassing, zero, absolutely zilch communication in that back line. Simple hoofs up the park are rushed and mistimed, its pathetic. We need an experienced seasoned professional and calming influence at the back before we are relegated. Midfield wise we are well covered and Jack and Milson linked up well. Arni wasn't at his best but he gets through a lot of the spade work. Fallon and Vernon can and will work if they get the service. Crazy shout but I'd consider giving Vernon the captains arm band for the remainder of the season. Back to the defence. I'd also start McArdle at centre half as he was better than both Considine and Mawene. He could actually clear the decks. Thats a start. 0-2 up with 10 minutes left and we are still lacking leadership. We are in the St Johnstone half and we start passing the ball back to our own goal! Head to the corners and keep the ball there for fuck sake. Use your common sense, surely to God we have someone in the side with enough experience and leadership to remember to keep the ball. Anyway as I say 3 points are a welcome relief however we need to switch on at the back and start communicating. Link to comment
ollie1903 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Three points are three points but as usual we needed to make it difficult for ourselves with a leaderless display. We have got the making of a half decent side in that squad, thats my genuine opinion. Just a shame we lack leadership and experience. The back 4 just panic and there is clearly no communication at all amongst them. The amount of times that Considine and Foster went for the same ball was embarrassing, zero, absolutely zilch communication in that back line. Simple hoofs up the park are rushed and mistimed, its pathetic. We need an experienced seasoned professional and calming influence at the back before we are relegated.Midfield wise we are well covered and Jack and Milson linked up well. Arni wasn't at his best but he gets through a lot of the spade work. Fallon and Vernon can and will work if they get the service. Crazy shout but I'd consider giving Vernon the captains arm band for the remainder of the season. Back to the defence. I'd also start McArdle at centre half as he was better than both Considine and Mawene. He could actually clear the decks. Thats a start. 0-2 up with 10 minutes left and we are still lacking leadership. We are in the St Johnstone half and we start passing the ball back to our own goal! Head to the corners and keep the ball there for fuck sake. Use your common sense, surely to God we have someone in the side with enough experience and leadership to remember to keep the ball. Anyway as I say 3 points are a welcome relief however we need to switch on at the back and start communicating.Preferably an uncrocked, capable of playing in the next three months, calming influence. I just don't get the clamour for a perma(currently)injured Russel Anderson. Link to comment
Coopy100 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 to be fair to hh i said much the same un live chat and I've always been one to say that we shouldn't take Anderson back. Link to comment
Redstar Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Preferably an uncrocked, capable of playing in the next three months, calming influence. I just don't get the clamour for a perma(currently)injured Russel Anderson. Agreed Anderson is not the answer...I'd be looking to make more use of McArdle as a CB paired with Considine. Broon (fat) looks suspect on anything other than the basics...which is another worry Link to comment
RUL Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Thought brown was solid enough in all areas last night? Link to comment
Site Sponsor RTYD Posted December 14, 2011 Site Sponsor Share Posted December 14, 2011 Three very welcome points Brown: A decent display with some very good stops. Osbourne. His best game in a while and being a midfield player understands why it is vital for the full backs to support the forward play. Foster. Utter, utter gash. Almost cost us the game at the death. How many times would that have been in the season? Strip him of captaincy and see if he can be traded in the January window. Mawene. OK. Considine. Decent enough Arnason. Loose passes, but does add a presence to the midfield. Jack. MOM Clark. Complete pish. Milsom. A power of work and he has something about him Vernon. Led the line well. Fallon. Almost as slow as Lee Miller (almost). Needs more games I think before assessing him. Considine and possibly Mawene out for Saturday so put McArdle and Arnason at the back, Fyvie into Arnason's position, Pawlett for Clark and Chalali for Fallon. Pawlett and Chalali posed a real threat. If they had been given more time on the pitch we might have scored a couple more. FOSTER AND CLARK - GTF Link to comment
Macca Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Three very welcome points Brown: A decent display with some very good stops. Osbourne. His best game in a while and being a midfield player understands why it is vital for the full backs to support the forward play. Foster. Utter, utter gash. Almost cost us the game at the death. How many times would that have been in the season? Strip him of captaincy and see if he can be traded in the January window. Mawene. OK. Considine. Decent enough Arnason. Loose passes, but does add a presence to the midfield. Jack. MOM Clark. Complete pish. Milsom. A power of work and he has something about him Vernon. Led the line well. Fallon. Almost as slow as Lee Miller (almost). Needs more games I think before assessing him. Considine and possibly Mawene out for Saturday so put McArdle and Arnason at the back, Fyvie into Arnason's position, Pawlett for Clark and Chalali for Fallon. Pawlett and Chalali posed a real threat. If they had been given more time on the pitch we might have scored a couple more. FOSTER AND CLARK - GTF What he said. Link to comment
Ron1903 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Wish Sky Sports came up with a "distance covered/number touches" etc stat like they often do when Clark got subbed. Seem to remember him kicking it about 3 times in the first half and not a single touch in the 2nd. Thought Jack, Osbourne, Vernon and Milsom were very good last night, need to get Vernon on a longer contract, reckon if we had a half decent team creating chances he'd easily get 20 goals a season. Foster at least tried hard but he is terrible, and as already said nearly blew it at the end for us. Chalali looked good when he came on, would have had a goal if wasn't for wrong offside decision and also made a few good tackles. Is a bit ball greedy but sure that'll change with more games. Link to comment
Jonty Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Got to keep Jack in Centre Mid after good performance yesterday. Personally I'd like to leave him and Arnason inthere for a few games - Fyvie has struggled a bit this season and some down time could do him good. I'd also consider moving Foster to centre half on Saturday to replace Considein, if only to do a job on Sproule who as we all know is quick as f4ck - he'd prob get in behind Mawene and Mccardle too easily. Link to comment
K-9 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Got to keep Jack in Centre Mid after good performance yesterday. Personally I'd like to leave him and Arnason inthere for a few games - Fyvie has struggled a bit this season and some down time could do him good. I'd also consider moving Foster to centre half on Saturday to replace Considein, if only to do a job on Sproule who as we all know is quick as f4ck - he'd prob get in behind Mawene and Mccardle too easily.Fyvie not been playing in middle all season and nobody to put in at left back to move Foster into middle. Link to comment
Jonty Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Fyvie not been playing in middle all season and nobody to put in at left back to move Foster into middle. Sorry, I was commenting on the suggestion above that Fyvie should be moved into the middle and Arnason moved to the back. Clark Robertson is a left back - give him a go. Link to comment
RUL Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Wish Sky Sports came up with a "distance covered/number touches" etc stat like they often do when Clark got subbed. Seem to remember him kicking it about 3 times in the first half and not a single touch in the 2nd. Thought Jack, Osbourne, Vernon and Milsom were very good last night, need to get Vernon on a longer contract, reckon if we had a half decent team creating chances he'd easily get 20 goals a season. Foster at least tried hard but he is terrible, and as already said nearly blew it at the end for us. Chalali looked good when he came on, would have had a goal if wasn't for wrong offside decision and also made a few good tackles. Is a bit ball greedy but sure that'll change with more games. I thought Clark had a good first half but faded second, think your critique is rather off considering the work rate he appeared to be putting in was really good in the first half. All about opinions I guess. Link to comment
ollie1903 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I thought Clark had a good first half but faded second, think your critique is rather off considering the work rate he appeared to be putting in was really good in the first half. All about opinions I guess.Workrate should be a given. Passing, heading, ball retention etc etc awful. In fact his all round ability is frankly, terrible. But he's not alone in this squad. Link to comment
HH_is_back Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 I have to disagree about the criticism that Fallon has been given, he is a worker and his link up play for Vernon is excellent, he also drags defenders out of position. Foster just needs to go back to the basics as do the whole of that back line. If in doubt row Z! No pussy footing about just get it tae. I also couldn't help notice last night that we got given next to no decisions by the referee. I can only remember us getting 2 free kicks all night, I hope to God it was more but it certainly didn't reach double figures, we had at least 3 very questionable offsides given against us and a few dodgy decisions where the ball went out of play for what was clearly a red throw in only for the linesman to give it to StJ. Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Workrate should be a given. Passing, heading, ball retention etc etc awful. In fact his all round ability is frankly, terrible. But he's not alone in this squad. correct see above for a description of Mackie and Foster too I have to disagree about the criticism that Fallon has been given, he is a worker and his link up play for Vernon is excellent, he also drags defenders out of position. Foster just needs to go back to the basics as do the whole of that back line. If in doubt row Z! No pussy footing about just get it tae. I also couldn't help notice last night that we got given next to no decisions by the referee. I can only remember us getting 2 free kicks all night, I hope to God it was more but it certainly didn't reach double figures, we had at least 3 very questionable offsides given against us and a few dodgy decisions where the ball went out of play for what was clearly a red throw in only for the linesman to give it to StJ. Fallon - I agree with the above. he creates space for Vernon, just a shame he doesn't get on the score sheet more. Foster - he struggles even with the very basic stuff in football and on top of it he moans at everyone else. He should not be in our starting 11 let alone be our captain. Link to comment
tup Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Workrate should be a given. Passing, heading, ball retention etc etc awful. In fact his all round ability is frankly, terrible. But he's not alone in this squad. Aye, if you're pish that is. Some of the best players ever to have played the game were amongst the laziest bastards you could imagine. Prosinecki, 40 fags a day, alkie, sublime footballer. Cantona, lazy, arrogant, stinking Frenchman, again a cracking player. Link to comment
Stoneybloke Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I thought Clark had a good first half but faded second, think your critique is rather off considering the work rate he appeared to be putting in was really good in the first half. All about opinions I guess.He has a similar approach to Derek Young, committed to the cause and industrious. Seems very injury prone though. Link to comment
Crossbow Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Aye, if you're pish that is. Some of the best players ever to have played the game were amongst the laziest bastards you could imagine. Prosinecki, 40 fags a day, alkie, sublime footballer. Cantona, lazy, arrogant, stinking Frenchman, again a cracking player. Would disagree with this - certainly these players did not track back as well as some others - but given opportunity moved well and into space. You can afford to be "lazy" as a striker/attacking midfielder if you then react rapidly to opportunity, move into space and make telling passes - what no one can afford is a lazy midfielder who also struggles to do the basics. Their laziness is the laziness of the hunter waiting for an opportuunity, I don't think that description could really be applied to Christina? Link to comment
tup Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Zidane, bone idle. Russell Latapy, gasping for a fag after 60 minutes, toughs it out anyway, another 30 minutes of standing about doing fuck all. These types of players only come alive when they get the ball, rest of the time they do nothing, and are not expected to. Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Personally thought Osbourne had a pish game. At least twice St Johnstone had clear cut chances on that left hand side (our right) where Osbourne should have been. Davidson had two chances which he should have buried at least one of them. We need a proper right and left back, that is obvious. Link to comment
spamspamspam Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 FOSTER AND CLARK - GTF These 3 words and 3 letters pretty much says it all about AFC and why we're always in the shite. How come? Because I remember typing those exact word on the BBC 606 in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 Almost 2012 and people are still typing exactly the same thing. Link to comment
robbojunior Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 These 3 words and 3 letters pretty much says it all about AFC and why we're always in the shite. How come? Because I remember typing those exact word on the BBC 606 in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 Almost 2012 and people are still typing exactly the same thing. you forgot to mention the hyphen Link to comment
tup Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I would also suggest that 'get to fuck' are three words in themselves. So you were typing those six words and a hyphen six years ago bri, if you only typed three words no wonder nobody got the message. Link to comment
zander Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 you forgot to mention the hyphen He forgot Mackie too Link to comment
tup Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Given one would say 'Foster, Clark and Mackie - GTF' we are now looking at eight words and a hyphen. The folk on 606 must have thought poor bri was speaking in code, and were unable to decipher it in six years. Link to comment
Terrorfex Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I was at the game. Thought Fallon was mostly anonymous - ponderous and slow-reacting to everything going on around him. Didn't think Foster played particularly poorly. Might as well have been playing with ten men though, for all Chris Clark imposed himself on the game. Link to comment
The Boofon Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Given one would say 'Foster, Clark and Mackie - GTF' we are now looking at eight words and a hyphen. The folk on 606 must have thought poor bri was speaking in code, and were unable to decipher it in six years. Pardon my ignorance but 8 words and a hyphen? 1. Foster2. Clark3. and4. Mackie-5. Get6. to7. fuck Where is this 8th word that you speak of? Who is this Bri you refer to? RTYD made the initial statement. Questions that require answers. Get on it. Link to comment
robbojunior Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Pardon my ignorance but 8 words and a hyphen? 1. Foster2. Clark3. and4. Mackie-5. Get6. to7. fuck Where is this 8th word that you speak of? Who is this Bri you refer to? RTYD made the initial statement. Questions that require answers. Get on it. the 8th word is 'cunt' said under your breath after the word foster - like a silent word. Link to comment
tup Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Foster and Clark and Mackie - 5 Get to fuck - 3 = 8. :spam: :spam: :spam: was the one who had issue with RTYD's statement. Next! Link to comment
diamondsr4ever Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Get Arnie in at centre half, though good in the middle, slow and laboured when defending at times and gives away far to much fouls in midfield. Foster has to be dropped, nearly lost us a point in the dying moments last night, 2 god awful games imo Link to comment
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