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Was having a similar discussion recently about the Cup Winners Cup being a mickey mouse meaningless trophy.

 

It was in it's latter years, when teams started playing 2nd string sides for cup games.

 

Not when we won it though, cups were a serious business then, and it was better than the UEFA cup at that stage :scarf:

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Bluto10 Grand Master

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It was in it's latter years, when teams started playing 2nd string sides for cup games.

 

Not when we won it though, cups were a serious business then, and it was better than the UEFA cup at that stage :scarf:

 

good backtracking.

 

ah the good old days.

 

i really hope that man united, so used to champions league the past 15 years, can add a bit of prestige and kudos to the uefa cup. been a while since a club of their stature has competed in it.

 

would be a nice trophy for fergie to win and complete his personal haul of euro baubles but alas i feel that money i.e. league postitions will dictate that 3 points on the sunday take preference.

 

step fwd macheda, pogba and morrisson.

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Bluto10 Grand Master

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I think this a lot about some of Tups comments.

 

He likes a say in everything, strange given he says he 'doesn't give a fuck' - but comments anyways, so it tells me he clearly gives a fuck.

 

i remember he didnt give a fcuk about the champions leage and english clubs then predicted that schalke were favourites to beat man united last season.

 

he also didnt give a fcuk about spurs and opredicted hearts would beat them.

 

mental. absolutley bloody mental.

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vanderark14 Contributor

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good backtracking.

 

ah the good old days.

 

i really hope that man united, so used to champions league the past 15 years, can add a bit of prestige and kudos to the uefa cup. been a while since a club of their stature has competed in it.

 

would be a nice trophy for fergie to win and complete his personal haul of euro baubles but alas i feel that money i.e. league postitions will dictate that 3 points on the sunday take preference.

 

step fwd macheda, pogba and morrisson.

 

Bayern, Juve, AC Milan & Aberdeen have all played in it recently

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Bluto10 Grand Master

Bluto10

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Bayern, Juve, AC Milan & Aberdeen have all played in it recently

 

 

ok.

let me rephrase it then.

 

when was the last time a team who reached 3 out of 4 european cup finals competed in it then?

i.e. a team regularly used to genuinely (unlike juve, ac and batyern) competing for the more prestigious competition

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ok.

let me rephrase it then.

 

when was the last time a team who reached 3 out of 4 european cup finals competed in it then?

i.e. a team regularly used to genuinely (unlike juve, ac and batyern) competing for the more prestigious competition

 

what you really mean is, when was the last time man utd played in it.

 

plenty prestigious clubs have played in it and they generally don't give a fuck about it.

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Bluto10 Grand Master

Bluto10

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what you really mean is, when was the last time man utd played in it.

 

plenty prestigious clubs have played in it and they generally don't give a fuck about it.

 

 

no. lets say then when was the last time barcalona played in it?

 

the best teams over the past 5/6 seasons have been man united and barca.

 

for a team that good and consistnetly successful to be playing in the uefa cup is hopefully a boost to the reputation of the competition.

 

sadly i fear that united will not take it very serioulsy.

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Come the end of January it could be the only trophy left for United to win this season!!

 

IMO they should go for it. Fergie hasn't won it before so he might as well give it a go but I doubt many will see it the same way.

 

It a shame that any tournament is devalued because of money.

 

back on topic, Barca and Santos final. It will no doubt be labelled Messi v Neymar

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Bluto10 Grand Master

Bluto10

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No just this bit, which is bollocks.

 

 

sorry, can you please enlighten me on ac milans RECENT european cup success, besides their 2007 win?

 

i'd be very interested to see how they have performed and what makes them currently such a big attraction in european football (when compared to the recently more successful man united and barcalona)?

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sorry, can you please enlighten me on ac milans RECENT european cup success, besides their 2007 win?

 

i'd be very interested to see how they have performed and what makes them currently such a big attraction in european football (when compared to the recently more successful man united and barcalona)?

 

bluto apart from trying to wank yourself in to a frenzy aboot man utd what exactly is it you are trying to say?

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Bluto10 Grand Master

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Did Bayern not reach the European cup final the year after they played in the UEFA cup?

AC Milan played in it having won the European Cup 3(?) years previous and playing in 3 finals in 6/7 years? 2 vs Liverpool, 1 vs. Juventus.

 

 

fair point dynamo, but i was really meaning the past handful of years.

 

i know ac milans OVERALL pedigree is huge of course but not so much success post kaka and post liverpool.

 

that was why i thought man united's (default) entry to the uefa cup is unusual and more importantly hopefully a shot in the arm to a sadly ailing competition.

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tup Newbie

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sorry, can you please enlighten me on ac milans RECENT european cup success, besides their 2007 win?

 

i'd be very interested to see how they have performed and what makes them currently such a big attraction in european football (when compared to the recently more successful man united and barcalona)?

 

The 2007 win was the Champions League.

 

Less lustre to it since football was ruined by the G14.

 

When it was the European Cup, as you referenced, Milan won it twice, two years running, whilst United won it once, in 19-oatcake. Milan have won the Champions League 3 times, again more than United.

 

Glad to have cleared that up for you, pre-1993 I ken, anything else you need to know just ask.

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Dynamo Veteran

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fair point dynamo, but i was really meaning the past handful of years.

 

i know ac milans OVERALL pedigree is huge of course but not so much success post kaka and post liverpool.

 

that was why i thought man united's (default) entry to the uefa cup is unusual and more importantly hopefully a shot in the arm to a sadly ailing competition.

 

 

It's very rare that a team will compete at the top in Europe for more than 5/6 years. Peaks and troughs. Their time will come again.

 

Milan had 3 finals in 5 seasons - Juve (2003), Liverpool, Liverpool.

Man United have had 3 finals in 4 seasons. Chelsea (2008), Barca, Barca.

Barcelona have had 3 finals in 6 seasons - Arsenal (2006), Man United, Man United.

Real Madrid hve 3 finals in 4 season - Juventus (1998), Valencia, Bayer Leverkusen.

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