Why Do Players Go Out Of Favour So Quickly

[Stoneybloke]

Over the last few weeks, opinion of Osbourne has changed from him being a solid defender to a virtual non-entity. Same thing with Vernon at the end of last season when he looked a bit stale. Even Magennis was being hailed as a good prospect for a while. Milsom went through the same thing when he lost form last season. Attention has been turned to Arnason as well who is getting a bit of stick at times. Fyvie too, and Foster ....... the list goes on. Only one who seems to have escaped so far this season is Considine.

 

Is it all just down to frustration or is it justified?

[tup]

Osbourne is a good player, at what he does, which is break up play, fetch, and carry.

 

Similarly, Arnason is a good footballer, although he is more talented than Osbourne and has a different role.

 

Milsom is the best footballer we have, along with Ryan Jack, in terms of ability on the ball, composure, and making it happen in the final third.

 

Vernon is a goalscorer, pure and simple, he does not look good at all when we are on the backfoot.

 

The problem in football is that all these parts must be working well together, when one part breaks down, such as when Milsom got assaulted by Naismith, as we seen, the others do not work nearly so well, you need the worker, the tackler and the playmaker in midfield to play good football, remove one of those and the others struggle.

 

The ability of the players in question has never changed, it's merely the opinion of those watching, which needs to be tempered with realism.

[Foster14]

Osbourne is doing the same as he always was, he suffered from Arnason going out injured and as a result was expected to do more than just break up play and pass on to someone else.

 

The general point though, football is an emotive subject. I use another football chat site which predominantly has fans of the Dundee teams. Daly scores twice the other day to take it from 1-1 to 3-1. He is third top scorer in the league. And the majority were still laying in to him over the last few days...

 

To me, an opinion is justified as long as you are willing to back it up with some reasoning...

[tup]

It's far too easy to just say a player is shite without looking at all at mitigating circumstances.

 

None of them are shite, obviously, otherwise they would not be playing professional football.

[ollie1903]

It's far too easy to just say a player is shite without looking at all at mitigating circumstances.

 

None of them are shite, obviously, otherwise they would not be playing professional football.

Magennis is utterly shite, and he is playing professional football.

 

Nothing you can say will alter that.

[wilm1542]

Football fans generally have a short memory. Also these players haven't been here long enough to earn full respect from the fans. The team needs to be going somewhere and players need to be giving their all week in week out for that to happen

[tup]

Magennis is utterly shite, and he is playing professional football.

 

Nothing you can say will alter that.

 

He's a half-decent keeper.

[Crossbow]

It's far too easy to just say a player is shite without looking at all at mitigating circumstances.

 

None of them are shite, obviously, otherwise they would not be playing professional football.

 

It simply depends on where you set your standards. All of them would be great footballers if placed in a team of under12s.

All of them would struggle if playing against Barcelona.

 

For where Aberdeen FC could be realistically too many of them are simply not up to it either by lack of skill or character or both. That number is less than it was in the Magoo era but we still have a stupidly unbalanced squad and sadly deserve to be where we are in the league.

 

The main mitigating circumstance for many of our players is that AFC are paying them a wage to do it. The fault lies within the structure that is AFC and much but not all lies at CBs door.

[ollie1903]

He's a half-decent keeper.

I'll give you that

 

[E-P-K]

Magennis is utterly shite, and he is playing professional football.

 

Nothing you can say will alter that.

 

And has full International caps to show for his shiteness.

 

But it is really amazing how we see so called players make a career of being professional footballers, and a decent wage for being shit.

 

You can watch a HFL game any given weekend, and see players busting a gut, showing great commitment and determination, and a will to win, for nothing more than local pride, beer tokens, and so on.

 

Then we see prima donna, sulking, attitude ridden, dont give a fuck, everyone to blame bar me, SPL players collecting

[ollie1903]

And has full International caps to show for his shiteness.

 

But it is really amazing how we see so called players make a career of being professional footballers, and a decent wage for being shit.

 

You can watch a HFL game any given weekend, and see players busting a gut, showing great commitment and determination, and a will to win, for nothing more than local pride, beer tokens, and so on.

 

Then we see prima donna, sulking, attitude ridden, dont give a fuck, everyone to blame bar me, SPL players collecting

[RUL]

Over the last few weeks, opinion of Osbourne has changed from him being a solid defender to a virtual non-entity. Same thing with Vernon at the end of last season when he looked a bit stale. Even Magennis was being hailed as a good prospect for a while. Milsom went through the same thing when he lost form last season. Attention has been turned to Arnason as well who is getting a bit of stick at times. Fyvie too, and Foster ....... the list goes on. Only one who seems to have escaped so far this season is Considine.

 

Is it all just down to frustration or is it justified?

 

Generally, fans will cut more slack to home grown players. Feel Considine's had a good season and represents us well, where as I am more cynical with boys like Ozzy using us as a stepping stone.

[tup]

He's athletic, which in the eyes of some coaches, puts you 75% of the way there to becoming a pro.

 

Never mind that he canna actually play football, at all, he can run all day, and knock wee guys out the road, the ball is a mere sideshow.

 

In the ploughed fields we call football pitches this is actually reasonably effective.

 

If he turned up at Barcelona, they would not be able to stop laughing at him, and would point out that perhaps he should seek an alternative career, such as boxing for instance.

[E-P-K]

Generally, fans will cut more slack to home grown players. Feel Considine's had a good season and represents us well, where as I am more cynical with boys like Ozzy using us as a stepping stone.

 

Even home grown players would still see us as a stepping stone if they were good enough to command interest from other better teams.

[King Street Loon]

It's because we're all a bunch of moaning faced fuckers.

 

But some of the stick meated out to some players is justified.

Like Magennis for example.

One of the worst players I've seen pull on a Dons jersey.

[Crossbow]

Do you think we'd moan about the players so much if we were consistently winning 3-0 - whilst some would ("should've been 5") - most would feel we were playing well and go with the flow and enjoy the experience. The performance on the pitch is the major factor in the supporters attitude and sadly we have few players who are consistently good.

[Robbie Winters]

Years ago my friends and to some point myself used to probably look upon Robert Connor as a player who was seen as one of the poorer AFC players in our eyes. To this end we beratted him at the slightest error he made and never cut him any slack.

It was not until one particular game at Pittodrie when I happened to be sitting pitch side in the Souther that I woke up and began to really appreciate what Roger could actually do. His 1st touch was very good, his passing was good and his off the ball movement was 2nd to none and this was all appreciated more at close quarters and fully understanding of how quick the professional game moves.

So in short BC went from hero to anti-christ to respected again his career at AFC probably reflected that quite well. He was probably more missed than others would admit to at the time.

Fast Forward to 2011 and what would we give to have a Bobby Connor in our team just now ? If any of the current players were say to score a hat-trick against the Huns or anyone else for that matter the rest of his previous could be forgiven, even Mackie but as others point out we are but mere punters and folk like Broon choose to have them there on merit and some of these players have international caps but as KSL points out some deserve critisism but they do not pick themselves to play, thats the managers job

[sheepiekev]

It's far too easy to just say a player is shite without looking at all at mitigating circumstances.

 

None of them are shite, obviously, otherwise they would not be playing professional football.

 

 

Generally true...but there are various exceptions throughout the SPL.....

 

Josh Magennis will never be good enough

Ross Tokely

Half of Dunfermline

 

I could go on.

 

We have players that have been deemed good enough to be professional footballers, it doesn't stop them being shite

 

Its more an indictment of the standard of the SPL.

[Dynamo]

We only really have 3, maybe 4 at tops players that are actually half decent at football (Milsom, Arnason, Jack - you could argue vernon is good at what he does, but he has hardly any ability).

 

The rest are just varying degrees of shiteness.

[OddJob]

The one constant with the team that hasn't changed since McGhee was in charge is the balance of the team, and it was evident again tonight. Osbourne is NOT a full-back. At the end of the day we have 4 central midfielders battling for the 2 places which in turn leaves us with no width. So really how do you set up the team? Weirdly Jack looked a little lacklustre tonight for some strange reason but he's clearly looked very composed in that role otherwise. Brown really has to sit back and think hard on how to shape this team up for the 2nd half of the season and FFS buy a winger.

[Crossbow]

The one constant with the team that hasn't changed since McGhee was in charge is the balance of the team, and it was evident again tonight. Osbourne is NOT a full-back. At the end of the day we have 4 central midfielders battling for the 2 places which in turn leaves us with no width. So really how do you set up the team? Weirdly Jack looked a little lacklustre tonight for some strange reason but he's clearly looked very composed in that role otherwise. Brown really has to sit back and think hard on how to shape this team up for the 2nd half of the season and FFS buy a winger.

 

and a fullback or two

[Henry]

 

 

But some of the stick meated out to some players is justified.

Like Magennis for example.

One of the worst players I've seen pull on a Dons jersey.

 

What's your beef with Magennis? OK, he's a bit of a porker, but I'd steak money on him giving 110% every game.

[tup]

Have to agree that Magennis is a turkey, I imagine he is running scared of the prospect of facing Matthews of Celtic.

[diamondsr4ever]

Have to agree that Magennis is a turkey, I imagine he is running scared of the prospect of facing Matthews of Celtic.

 

for all his shiteness, he certainly gets himself into numerous goalscoring positions....unlike mackie.

[tup]

for all his shiteness, he certainly gets himself into numerous goalscoring positions....unlike mackie.

 

:confused:

 

I don't get it, something to do with ice-cream?

[King Street Loon]

What's your beef with Magennis? OK, he's a bit of a porker, but I'd steak money on him giving 110% every game.

 

I just don't think he's of good stock.

I just get fed up lambasting him every game for his shiteness.

[tup]

Changing from a keeper to a striker, he's just jumping aboard the football gravy train.

 

Leave him to stew in the reserves I say.

 

He'd struggle to get a start for Oxo United to be honest.

[diamondsr4ever]

Changing from a keeper to a striker, he's just jumping aboard the football gravy train.

 

Leave him to stew in the reserves I say.

 

He'd struggle to get a start for Oxo United to be honest.

 

we could sign paxo fae hamilton or fariver he's fae, makes a good partnership

[tup]

we could sign paxo fae hamilton or fariver he's fae, makes a good partnership

 

 

Aye, maybe try and get Jamie McAllister fae Bisto City too.

[diamondsr4ever]

 

Aye, maybe try and get Jamie McAllister fae Bisto City too.

 

then we could change the title of this thread to

 

why do players go out of flavour