What Makes You "english", "scottish" Etc

[StandFree1982]

I'm not looking for the legal definition, i'm looking for peoples opinions on the matter.

[a don in oz]

Poll multiple choice now (wasn't originally) but still not flexible enough for me.

 

 

 

 

My feelings are:

 

 

 

1. Born there

 

2. Grew up (significant amount) there

 

3. Parent/s born there

 

4. Have taken nationality or lived there a long enough time to do so

 

(5. as far as playing international... if your career has been largely or significantly based in that country I'm sortof ok about that being a basis for it... maybe. Not convinced myself entirely about that but leaning that way)

[Dynamo]

Where's the option for "knowing you'll never be good enough for England but fancy adding internationalist to your CV"

 

 

Very true

 

I'd also class "Neither parents are Scottish but you were born and raised and live in Scotland" as Scottish.

[Karl Fletcher]

*I hate being Scottish. We're the lowest of the fucking low, the scum of the earth, the most wretched, servile, miserable, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the English, but I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. We can't even pick a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete arseholes. It's a shite state of affairs and all the fresh air in the world will not make any fucking difference.

 

 

 

*I quite like being Scottish

[Crossbow]

My gut feeling basically comes down to where you feel you belong but if rules are needed then for me if you were born in Scotland you can claim to be Scottish regardless.

If both parents are Scottish then you can claim to be Scottish too.

If born in a foreign country and one parent belongs to that country even if other parent Scottish it becomes less convincing though you can make a better claim if neither parent belongs to that foreign country you were born in and one of them is Scottish however anything beyond that just isn't - imo.

I've lived in the Glasgow area for many years that doesn't make me Glaswegian (not that I hate them simply for being born there - hating someone because of where they were born is daft). If you are born in England of English parents and lived in Edinburgh for 10 years - you are still English even if grannie lives in Leith.

[Stoney]

Are we not all british anyways ?

 

[K-9]

Votes none of them. All subjective.

 

But someone who played for his country (England) up through levels then all of a sudden decides they are Scottish as no chance of playing for England are most certainly not Scottish.

[tup]

We all ken these footballers are not Scottish.

 

We're simply taking advantage of daft rules.

 

Disna matter anyway, once they pull on the shirt, I'll back the English cunts to the hilt.

[StandFree1982]

Are we not all british anyways ?

 

I classify myself as European. :thumbs:

[Nespa]

the missus wee brother (21) was born and has lived in England his whole life (obviously with a strong English acdent) but both parents are Scottish as is his family and he is fiercely Scottish to the point he would go for you if you even suggested he was English.

 

Hilarious when he come up for Scotland football games and when he goes away to the Rugby with his Kilt on. Gets some strange looks. He now rocks a few Dons tops sent down for his Bday/Xmas

 

Personally i think it comes to how you as a person feel! Id never play for a country that i have absol no link to including a Grand father unless i had been greatly influenced by him.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

The clue is in the question. What makes you Scottish?

 

The English.

[Henry]

International football should be stripped back to basics - you have to have been born in that country in order to qualify. Not yer ma, yer granny or yer postie, just you.

[Bluto10]

International football should be stripped back to basics - you have to have been born in that country in order to qualify. Not yer ma, yer granny or yer postie, just you.

 

you mean born there like terry butcher was in singapore? or born there as in you hold that nations passport?

 

its too complicated these days and folk like cascarino have highlighted that the system is a bit of a joke.

 

should be simple like you say.

 

would france have won teh world cup with only french passport holders? how many of them were actually french?

the dutch in the past too have taken many with diverse backgrounds.

[thebladder]

where's the none of the above option on that poll?

[tup]

Money dictates it as much as anything, look at Deco, blatantly Brazilian, lives in Portugal for a few years, all of a sudden the cunt is Portuguese.

 

Two Polish cunts up front for Germany when they destroyed England. I canna say I have a problem with that mind you.

[Henry]

Born there as in been shat out by your mother, not gained a passport through residency.

[Bluto10]

Born there as in been shat out by your mother, not gained a passport through residency.

 

who you talking about?

 

what about folk born on a trans atlantic plane or pan pacific boat?

[Henry]

who you talking about?

 

what about folk born on a trans atlantic plane or pan pacific boat?

 

I'm talking about international footballers.

 

If they are born over international waters, they don't get to play international football. Blame the parents for going on holiday.

[Bluto10]

I'm talking about international footballers.

 

If they are born over international waters, they don't get to play international football. Blame the parents for going on holiday.

 

didnt think it through, did you.

[spamspamspam]

lots of things make you Scottish/English etc.

 

Could be where you were born, brought up, the values your granda/grunny/ma/da instilled into you and where you feel you belong.

 

I know a guy Sweden that says he's Scottish. Brought here when he was 8 and has lived here almost 30 years. He has a Swedish and UK passport but he says without a doubt he's from Aberdeen and he's a Scot.

 

Its cant be put down to 1 of the things you've put above, its about how you feel about it yourself.

 

Unless you're a shite English footballer that is, then if you've got a grunny that was Scottish then you can at least get a game for an international team.

[tup]

If you move to another country you should not be considered for the national team.

 

And you canna play for your new country either.

 

Would mark you down as a nomadic traitor, and rightly so.

 

Why did you move in the first place should be put to these types, by an SFA grilling committee.

 

Nae mates? On the run from serious crimes? Drug or human trafficking?

 

'Whatever you say you havering spastic, now GTF, you will never play for Scotland again'.

[Henry]

didnt think it through, did you.

 

What - the international waters thing? What about allowing them to play for the first country they subsequently land in?

[Bluto10]

What - the international waters thing? What about allowing them to play for the first country they subsequently land in?

 

aye o.k. i'll let you off.

[Bluto10]

what was the deal with molester gough (sweden) and fatty goram (oldham). how did they worm their way into the scotland setup?

 

same with don hutchison. and mccall too, hes was english i think.

 

shame we lost out on ray houghton. why did he choose eire?

[tommo1903]

Countries are just lines drawn in the sand with a stick.

[Henry]

what was the deal with molester gough (sweden) and fatty goram (oldham). how did they worm their way into the scotland setup?

 

same with don hutchison. and mccall too, hes was english i think.

 

shame we lost out on ray houghton. why did he choose eire?

 

all the names you've listed qualify through their parents.

[tup]

Steven Fletcher is, ironically, an English cunt, yet folk batter Levein for not including the English bastard on the basis that he refused to travel with us for an important game.

 

Same as Stokes, you canna pick and choose your games, this applies from youth football upwards, those that turn up regularly take precedence over the primadonnas and rightly so.

[Henry]

And everyone screams for Rhodes to get capped before England tempt him, but he only qualifies through education.

[tup]

And everyone screams for Rhodes to get capped before England tempt him, but he only qualifies through education.

 

Correct, people fall for media illusion and spin.

 

The Scottish media do not like Craig Levein, and therefore he can do no right in their eyes.

 

This is because he stuck it to Rangers, and they dinna like that at all (Lennon, Romanov, Durrant) etc etc.

 

I disregard what is said in the media. Levein is doing a decent job.

 

 

Leave the incessant manager bashing to the English.

[chaos_defrost]

I'll back the English to the hilt.