Advice For 10 Clubs (Excluding Old Farm) To Move Things Forward.

[zoltanvarga]

Grow a pair of testicles!

[Ke1t]

Grow a pair of testicles!

 

They've already elected their spokesman.

 

[zoltanvarga]

They've already elected their spokesman.

 

 

Completely fcuked if he's the "mane" man................................I'll get my coat.....

[Ke1t]

I'd be lion if I said I thought the 10 non-OF teams had any pride.

[GPz750R1]

AFC take head and do the right thing by your fans

[Crossbow]

Whilst we have some chairmen who could not take things forward we have others eg Thomson, Mad Vlad etc who have demonstrated they will not meekly lie down. If this is not the meeting to make the change so badly needed then it will be a non event with a bland outcome and not an invite to rfc 2012

[Pudgie]

I'd be lion if I said I thought the 10 non-OF teams had any pride.

Doesn't matter how many times you roar this, it doesn't make it any more correct. Maybe paws and take a look at yourself.

[zoltanvarga]

I'd be lion if I said I thought the 10 non-OF teams had any pride.

 

 

But if the clubs stand firm this could SIMBAlise a new Don!

[centraldon]

Wonder if they are all just gonna walk into a room and spend two hours pishing themselves laughing? I'd love to be in that room.

[baconman]

Best news i've heard today. Really pleased the other SPL clubs are discussing how they will change the voting and distribution rights of the SPL. Its their chance to make it a more competitive league which in turn will attract more punters and maybe a better TV deal. Watching the same predictable shit is boring and pointless. Why chick dung and they other idiots on sports sound keep harping on about why we need the OF to keep the TV money rolling in and people only interested in watching the OF is just complete rubbish. I dont watch the OF and nor does most other non OF fans. I also think most viewers down south couldnt be bothered. They think scottish is shite and you really cant argue with that.

[Ke1t]

Doesn't matter how many times you roar* this, it doesn't make it any more correct. Maybe paws and take a look at yourself.

 

 

Well, fangs for your concern. But I'm fur from saying this just because it's how I Felidae.

 

 

 

*Not a play on words.

[The Oxford Don]

Well, fangs for your concern. But I'm fur from saying this just because it's how I Felidae.

 

 

 

*Not a play on words.

 

 

Virtual pint for use of Felidae.

 

Anyway, my advice would be that all ten clubs should immediately start using EBTs in order to pay players they otherwise couldn't afford.

 

We'll revisit the situation in twelve years time, see where things are and take it from there.

[V for Vendetta]

 

Virtual pint for use of Felidae.

 

Anyway, my advice would be that all ten clubs should immediately start using EBTs in order to pay players they otherwise couldn't afford.

 

We'll revisit the situation in twelve years time, see where things are and take it from there.

 

Nonsense.

 

They should take a syndicated approach where they each operate an EBT for ten years consecutive to each other. Thus guaranteeing 100 years of non old firm domination.

[dervish]

Wonder if they are all just gonna walk into a room and spend two hours pishing themselves laughing? I'd love to be in that room.

 

Dunno why but this .

 

I can just imagine it being like a little kids gang, Milne not saying much but agreeing vigorously when Vlad says something.

[Wanderingdon]

Just saw this picture and imagined it was taken from the 10 club meeting:

 

[V for Vendetta]

Actually the 1 absolute MUST for them to achieve right now is a changed from the 11-1 vote requirement to something like 75% majority requirement. From there obviously if they can all agree they can do more but I think we might soon see them all take a different stance again.

 

Changing the split of the money of course makes absolute sense and they should really be looking for that too.

 

If Rangers do go into liquidation and a newco appears then they 10 need to think carefully about what to do - they might agree for Rangers to come back in but extract further concessions - no idea what they might be though.

 

Personally I think the 10 clubs should actually form a regular "alliance". A bit like G14 idea. Basically appoint a chairman on rotation, appoint a spokesman, employ a PR firm, get together every 3 or 6 months to discuss their interests and the interests of Scottish football. If they need to vote together to acheive something then they can discuss strategy etc

 

Someone like Petrie would be a sensible Chairman.

 

Could call themselves S10 or whatever they want really.

 

Possibly even scope for them to invite the top 4 or 6 SFL clubs into the group and seek consensus beyond the current SPL membership.

[ridaligo]

Actually the 1 absolute MUST for them to achieve right now is a changed from the 11-1 vote requirement to something like 75% majority requirement. From there obviously if they can all agree they can do more but I think we might soon see them all take a different stance again.

 

Changing the split of the money of course makes absolute sense and they should really be looking for that too.

 

If Rangers do go into liquidation and a newco appears then they 10 need to think carefully about what to do - they might agree for Rangers to come back in but extract further concessions - no idea what they might be though.

 

Personally I think the 10 clubs should actually form a regular "alliance". A bit like G14 idea. Basically appoint a chairman on rotation, appoint a spokesman, employ a PR firm, get together every 3 or 6 months to discuss their interests and the interests of Scottish football. If they need to vote together to acheive something then they can discuss strategy etc

 

Someone like Petrie would be a sensible Chairman.

 

In addition to changes to the league structure and voting they really need to push for things like:

 

 

 

Could call themselves S10 or whatever they want really.

 

Possibly even scope for them to invite the top 4 or 6 SFL clubs into the group and seek consensus beyond the current SPL membership.

 

In addition to this and changes to the league structure and voting rights, which are already well debated, the "market" needs to be regulated because the SFA, SPL, Celtic and Rangers have proved they cannot be trusted with stewardship of Scottish football. The S10, or whatever, really need to start drawing up a list of demands (regulations) to force equality, such as:

 

TV deals

1. All TV monies to be shared equally between all teams in the same league

2. Same number of live league games for each team

3. All match highlights to be of equal length, rotation of running order week to week

4. Equality of cup match coverage round by round

5. All teams to be given equal TV time for post match analysis and commentary

 

Referees

1. New independent body to provide match referees, run by trustees with no connection to the Scottish game

2. A number of referees to be sourced from abroad

3. No Scottish referees to officiate matches involving Celtic and Rangers

4. All referees to disclose a declaration of interests e.g. commercial relationships, membership of clubs, associations, religious affiliation etc.

5. Fair play review body containing experts from outside the Scottish game

 

Players

1. Wage bill cap at the same level for all teams in the same league - plenty of precedent for this in US sport

2. Poaching of players from other same league teams to be discouraged by fine / tax / compensation system

 

Sponsorship

1. All team sponsorship monies to be paid into a central pool for redistribution among same league teams

 

Ticket Pricing

1. No discriminatory ticket pricing, fees or charges.

 

Other ideas?

[slippers]

In addition to this and changes to the league structure and voting rights, which are already well debated, the "market" needs to be regulated because the SFA, SPL, Celtic and Rangers have proved they cannot be trusted with stewardship of Scottish football. The S10, or whatever, really need to start drawing up a list of demands (regulations) to force equality, such as:

 

TV deals

1. All TV monies to be shared equally between all teams in the same league

2. Same number of live league games for each team

3. All match highlights to be of equal length, rotation of running order week to week

4. Equality of cup match coverage round by round

5. All teams to be given equal TV time for post match analysis and commentary

 

Referees

1. New independent body to provide match referees, run by trustees with no connection to the Scottish game

2. A number of referees to be sourced from abroad

3. No Scottish referees to officiate matches involving Celtic and Rangers

4. All referees to disclose a declaration of interests e.g. commercial relationships, membership of clubs, associations, religious affiliation etc.

5. Fair play review body containing experts from outside the Scottish game

 

Players

1. Wage bill cap at the same level for all teams in the same league - plenty of precedent for this in US sport

2. Poaching of players from other same league teams to be discouraged by fine / tax / compensation system

 

Sponsorship

1. All team sponsorship monies to be paid into a central pool for redistribution among same league teams

 

Ticket Pricing

1. No discriminatory ticket pricing, fees or charges.

2. Gates shared equally between the 2 sides each game.

 

Other ideas?

[slippers]

does any league distribute the money teams get from european competition throughout the league?

[ridaligo]

does any league distribute the money teams get from european competition throughout the league?

 

Another good idea ... would also be included in TV deals involving European games.

[V for Vendetta]

In addition to this and changes to the league structure and voting rights, which are already well debated, the "market" needs to be regulated because the SFA, SPL, Celtic and Rangers have proved they cannot be trusted with stewardship of Scottish football. The S10, or whatever, really need to start drawing up a list of demands (regulations) to force equality, such as:

 

TV deals

1. All TV monies to be shared equally between all teams in the same league

2. Same number of live league games for each team

3. All match highlights to be of equal length, rotation of running order week to week

4. Equality of cup match coverage round by round

5. All teams to be given equal TV time for post match analysis and commentary

 

Referees

1. New independent body to provide match referees, run by trustees with no connection to the Scottish game

2. A number of referees to be sourced from abroad

3. No Scottish referees to officiate matches involving Celtic and Rangers

4. All referees to disclose a declaration of interests e.g. commercial relationships, membership of clubs, associations, religious affiliation etc.

5. Fair play review body containing experts from outside the Scottish game

 

Players

1. Wage bill cap at the same level for all teams in the same league - plenty of precedent for this in US sport

2. Poaching of players from other same league teams to be discouraged by fine / tax / compensation system

 

Sponsorship

1. All team sponsorship monies to be paid into a central pool for redistribution among same league teams

 

Ticket Pricing

1. No discriminatory ticket pricing, fees or charges.

 

Other ideas?

 

 

Yes, I've long been an advocate of these sort of changes.

 

Not sure I'd have a salary cap but I'd certainly support a move to force all clubs to publish fully audited accounts, which are reviewed by the SPL/SFA and used to calculate an overall squad wage budget based on a percentage of turnover and outstanding debt. Any club racking up increasing debts should have their overall squad wage "cap" reduced until they have the debts moving in the correct direction.

[slippers]

Can the SPL sanction deals for players under 21 like better compensation to put bigger clubs off signing our hottest prospects for 200k? For example La Liga has a buy out clause for each player, perhaps as a club when our young players sign a contract we could insert a realistic buy out clause that would have to be meet to release them form their contract. Also in Italy the have co-ownership of young players which is another avenue we should be looking into in my opinion. Not sure if this would have to be sanctioned by uefa or if SPL could set out these rules? Thoughts?

[ridaligo]

Yes, I've long been an advocate of these sort of changes.

 

Not sure I'd have a salary cap but I'd certainly support a move to force all clubs to publish fully audited accounts, which are reviewed by the SPL/SFA and used to calculate an overall squad wage budget based on a percentage of turnover and outstanding debt. Any club racking up increasing debts should have their overall squad wage "cap" reduced until they have the debts moving in the correct direction.

 

I think you need a cap and fining system like they do in baseball (basically to keep the New York Yankees in check). If you tie budgets to turnover the bigger teams, i.e. Celtic and Rangers, still have a huge advantage.

[ridaligo]

Can the SPL sanction deals for players under 21 like better compensation to put bigger clubs off signing our hottest prospects for 200k? For example La Liga has a buy out clause for each player, perhaps as a club when our young players sign a contract we could insert a realistic buy out clause that would have to be meet to release them form their contract. Also in Italy the have co-ownership of young players which is another avenue we should be looking into in my opinion. Not sure if this would have to be sanctioned by uefa or if SPL could set out these rules? Thoughts?

 

Young players poached out of youth development is an important part but you would also have to regulate Old Firm behaviour when it comes to "gems" unearthed by other teams in the transfer market. Basically you need to prevent the Old Firm weakening other teams by poaching their best players to sit on the bench for double the wages.

[slippers]

iv started a new thread on the changes we would like ridaligo hope you dont mind.

 

edit: in hindsight should of maybe just kept this thread as the debate is already underway!?

[Ke1t]

I would advocate a 10 way split for TV money...

 

Celtic and Rangers get NO TV money until such time as Celtic Supporters stop bringing the game into disrepute by overtly and vocally supporting terrorist organisations. Rangers to get NO TV money until such time as they have...

 

* Paid back ALL prize money won while cheating on their taxes

* Stopped their fans from bringing the game into disrepute

* Paid back all fines decided by a 10 club panel (excluding Celtic and Rangers) for financial irregularities

 

So for the forseeable future Celtic and Rangers would render themselves illegible for ANY TV money, thanks to the behaviour of their fans.

 

I don't see withholding TV money from bigoted clubs to be unreasonable.

 

If Celtic and 'Rangers' don't like it they can go play in the English League.

 

But of course they can't

 

Too bad the other SPL clubs, as has been proven, are much, much too scared to man up.

[baconman]

I'd be happy if the SPL just followed the example of the Bundesliga in Germany. Its a tried and tested system and their league is now thriving. Its not difficult but no doubt those running our game will fuck it up because thats what they're good at!!

[Redstar]

The reality is very little will change...yes the Hun have had a reality check and will not be able to spend as they did...for a couple of seasons...but...at the of the day (to use a very tired clich

[Bobby Connor]

Deary me Redstar, you're getting to be as tiresome as Jim Traynor. The only way anything will remotely 'carry on as normal' is if the Huns avoid liquidation.

 

Even then they will be massively weakened. You only need to look at the cuts enforced on the playing staff and have the capacity to put two and two together to figure out that they have been living hugely out with their means.

 

Best case scenario for them, that some group of hun millionaires bails them out, isn't going to change the fact that they have been spending £1M per month more than they can afford on wages. The minute they attempt to put wages 'back to normal' they will be racking up £10M debt per annum once again.

 

What I can't quite understand is how Celtic are sustainable on similar wage levels. I'm guessing they probably aren't now the CL cash cow is out of reach of the manky bastards.

[Redstar]

Deary me Redstar, you're getting to be as tiresome as Jim Traynor. The only way anything will remotely 'carry on as normal' is if the Huns avoid liquidation.

 

Even then they will be massively weakened. You only need to look at the cuts enforced on the playing staff and have the capacity to put two and two together to figure out that they have been living hugely out with their means.

 

Best case scenario for them, that some group of hun millionaires bails them out, isn't going to change the fact that they have been spending