A Simple Question For Everyone On Here.....

[sheepiekev]

It seems the overwhelming majority on here would like Brown to go. He's not the man to improve us.

 

My question to the folk that DON'T want him to go is simple;

 

Why should he stay?

[Foster14]

If I were amongst the decision makers on the board, I'd be giving him an ultimatum though. Get a hungry balanced attacking team out there next season, or you will be gone early doors next year.

 

Ultimately, I don't really think Brown has it in him to manage that, so I'd be hoping he stepped to one side sooner rather than later.

[King Street Loon]

If I were amongst the decision makers on the board, I'd be giving him an ultimatum though. Get a hungry balanced attacking team out there next season, or you will be gone early doors next year.

 

Ultimately, I don't really think Brown has it in him to manage that, so I'd be hoping he stepped to one side sooner rather than later.

Pretty much my stance.

But I'm not really giving a fuck right now.

[Guest]

Do we really need yet another thread on this subject (a variation on a theme)? The place is littered with discussions on Brown and the team.

 

Come on mods, clean up these repetitive threads.

[Poodler]

We could get no one better. We are a below average Spl team now. We're done

[V for Vendetta]

It seems the overwhelming majority on here would like Brown to go. He's not the man to improve us.

 

My question to the folk that DON'T want him to go is simple;

 

Why should he stay?

 

I'm not desperate for him to go on. But I am 100% convince I don't want him to simply be replaced with the next stooge in the list. This will make thins worse.

 

Personally I'd like to see Milne either step down as Chairman OR appoint a Chief Exec capable of running the club properly (and if this means we need to get rid of Miller and Duncan to bring a proper CE in then thats fine).

Then the new CE can review the problems and actually start to sort them out. ie get a proper scouting network in place

 

Only at that point are we ready to make a management change and the CE will appoint the manager he believes will do the job. The CE's job will depend on this being correct appointment.

 

Thats how real companies operate.

 

I don't want Milne to be allowed to continue the current cycle of failure. Changing Brown now will probably make things worse.

[The Highland Don]

Probably a pipe dream for me but I'd like a manager who plays attacking football and gives the youngsters a chance. Ideally someone like Kenny Sheils who tries to get his team to play the way football should be played as an example. Pass on the deck, none of this hoof ball crap.

[K-9]

Do we really need yet another thread on this subject (a variation on a theme)? The place is littered with discussions on Brown and the team.

 

Come on mods, clean up these repetitive threads.

Think it is a really cracking question.

 

But just don't think there will be much answers posted. Bar the arguable not being able to afford it can't think of any reasons.

[At The Border Guy]

It seems the overwhelming majority on here would like Brown to go. He's not the man to improve us.

 

My question to the folk that DON'T want him to go is simple;

 

Why should he stay?

 

- New manager comes in

- Supporters think someone else can do better

- Supporters moan incessantly

- Board sack manager mid-contract, pay out a huge sum, and spend a huge sum recruiting someone else ensuring we have less and less cash for players

- Repeat until bankruptcy

[K-9]

- New manager comes in

- Supporters think someone else can do better

- Supporters moan incessantly

- Board sack manager mid-contract, pay out a huge sum, and spend a huge sum recruiting someone else ensuring we have less and less cash for players

- Repeat until bankruptcy

You happy with Brown in charge?

You think we can move forward under Brown?

You don't think we can get any better manager?

 

I just don't get the point you are trying to make.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Why should he stay?

 

1. No alternative without gambling (again)

 

2. No money to pay off (or at least better uses for money)

 

3. Much as it pains me to say it his brief was first and foremost stability. He has by and large given us that although how he deals with half the squad leaving is another matter. If he replaces with more team players with less mouth but more ability, a blend of experience and youth all whilst the new stadium/Hundo fiasco is playing out then so be it. If however he signs Chris Clark on a three year deal, asks Schmuckie to play deep midfield (in place of an admittedly off colur young player of the year FFS), Mcardle to play right back, asks Fallon to play alongside Vernon, expects Rae and Hughes to protect their defence, break up play then play quality passes forward to, well Rae and Hughes in the hole and show more signs of putting a red top on a corner flag than actually sign a winger then board's decision may be forced on them which is probably the worst case scenario for all concerned.

 

IOt would take a brave board to gamble just now and we don't have one. Bizarrely the result yesterday might be "our" best one for a while as it reignites the life without the huns debate nationally and specifically might just fire up Vlad for a fight that he seemed to be starting to distance himself from.

[afc_blockhead]

Probably a pipe dream for me but I'd like a manager who plays attacking football and gives the youngsters a chance. Ideally someone like Kenny Sheils who tries to get his team to play the way football should be played as an example. Pass on the deck, none of this hoof ball crap.

 

I agree with this to an extent . What nobody ever seems to mention however is that this is easier to accomplish with a Motherwell , Kilmarnock etc than Aberdeen . I genuinely believe this .

 

Maybe its about Aberdeen being slightly held back by their history but I think other teams still see Aberdeen as a scalp and our players have extra pressure on them due to this . The fact a wide variety of players have failed to cope with this over the past decade or so suggests something is wrong with the mentality at Aberdeen in general . As has been mentioned time and time again , we have gone through 6 managers since we last won a trophy , all with a totally different set of players , however we always get the same result .

 

At a Kilmarnock / Motherwell the expectations are not the same as with us , so you can afford to have a go at passing it about a bit , safe in the knowledge that a 10th/11th place finish will be generally accepted by your supporters . At Aberdeen however the players / manager are expected to finish in the top 4 and reach finals regularly , all whilst playing with flair and attacking intent week in , week out . Sadly with the increasingly reducing budget this is getting more and more unlikely by the season .

 

I'm not saying it would be impossible to get in a manager who will have us playing good football and achieving success (whatever the individual fan judges success to be) regularly , but I do think sacking Brown just begins the cycle again . Calderwood (by the way I am not trying to start a discussion on him , for the record I think it was time for him to go) achieved "success" in some people's eyes but he could only achieve this with very conservative hoofball . Maybe in this climate we cant possibly achieve top 4 playing with style ?! Aberdeen fans who judge his time as successful to me are part of the problem . Some of the same people who rate him accuse Aberdeen of accepting mediocrity . He WAS mediocrity . The argument that it was better under Calderwood in some ways than now doesnt change that fact .

 

This post is a bit of a mess but sums up my general views on AFC and why sacking Brown will solve nothing . For the record (and the person suggesting Shiels is amazing) Kilmarnock are 1 point ahead of us at the moment ! I know they won the cup and that would be superb for us , I'm just saying that over the course of a league season (any teams bread and butter) there brand of football seems to achieve exactly the same as ours in terms of a good league position , fuck all !

[afc_blockhead]

You happy with Brown in charge?

You think we can move forward under Brown?

You don't think we can get any better manager?

 

I just don't get the point you are trying to make.

 

What is your answer to all these questions ? Can I ask also if you want Brown gone (as im 99% sure you do) who do you see as a realistic and stronger replacement ?

[Roo]

why shouldn't we get rid of him?

 

if money were no object I doubt there would be any question of it - indeed, I reckon he'd have been gone before now if money weren't an issue. And I'd be quite happy to see him gone

 

as it stands, I don't think we can afford to sack him - we're saddled with him for another year, unless he decides to walk

 

and it's the same problem we had when we sacked mcghee - who do we get to replace him? (I know Brown & Knox weren't at the top of my list)

[At The Border Guy]

You happy with Brown in charge?

You think we can move forward under Brown?

You don't think we can get any better manager?

 

I just don't get the point you are trying to make.

 

Will answer those Qs first:

 

1. Not happy, but we could be in a worse position (We have been recently...).

2. Not by leaps and bounds.

3. If we haven't got a good one now (or before that, or before that...), then who's to say our next one will be 'better'?

 

...but all opinions are trumped by the reality of our club's financial position:

We are fucking skint. We have already wasted a ton of money sacking managers to bring in 'better' ones. We can't afford players. Our stadium is a heap.

Unless you believe we should be following the Rangers financial model, then something has got to give?!

[Bobby Connor]

Reckon we are stuck with CB for another season. If he gets a couple of creative players in over the summer we might be half decent next season.

 

Can't see the point in sacking him now.

[K-9]

What is your answer to all these questions ? Can I ask also if you want Brown gone (as im 99% sure you do) who do you see as a realistic and stronger replacement ?

Nope not happy with Brown in charge.

Nope don't think we can move forward much under him.

Think it would be pretty easy to find a manager who can do easily better.

 

Personally would like us to think outside the box. A young ambitious manager maybe from outside Scotland is what is needed in my opinion.

 

However still think they would need full control of footballing matters and not be held back from above.

[K-9]

Will answer those Qs first:

 

1. Not happy, but we could be in a worse position (We have been recently...).

2. Not by leaps and bounds.

3. If we haven't got a good one now (or before that, or before that...), then who's to say our next one will be 'better'?

 

...but all opinions are trumped by the reality of our club's financial position:

We are fucking skint. We have already wasted a ton of money sacking managers to bring in 'better' ones. We can't afford players. Our stadium is a heap.

Unless you believe we should be following the Rangers financial model, then something has got to give?!

Crowds will drop even further if he stays.

Cutting costs in summer as over budget now.

Just can't see season tickets being shifted under current climate.

Fans who have followed this club through good and bad turning their backs and main supporters clubs struggling badly.

 

Whatever happens the board once again have fucked up badly yet seem to still be happy enough plodding along losing two million quid a year and failing on the pitch.

[The Boofon]

Nope not happy with Brown in charge.

Nope don't think we can move forward much under him.

Think it would be pretty easy to find a manager who can do easily better.

Personally would like us to think outside the box. A young ambitious manager maybe from outside Scotland is what is needed in my opinion.

 

However still think they would need full control of footballing matters and not be held back from above.

 

Jimmy Calderwood's son?

 

 

The only possible manager we could get that would stir the imagination of the fans outwith someone Scottish is this man.

 

A grade A certifiable lunatic but a great manager in my opinion.

 

 

 

[Bobby Connor]

Jimmy Calderwood's son?

 

 

The only possible manager we could get that would stir the imagination of the fans outwith someone Scottish is this man.

 

A grade A certifiable lunatic but a great manager in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

Aye, he's some boy!

[At The Border Guy]

Crowds will drop even further if he stays.

Cutting costs in summer as over budget now.

Just can't see season tickets being shifted under current climate.

Fans who have followed this club through good and bad turning their backs and main supporters clubs struggling badly.

 

Whatever happens the board once again have fucked up badly yet seem to still be happy enough plodding along losing two million quid a year and failing on the pitch.

 

We were in this position under McGhee (EDIT: And Calderwood's last year)!!! Look where we are now! It's all very well saying "Oh, but it'll be different this time...", but when has that ever panned out for Aberdeen Football Club?!

[K-9]

Jimmy Calderwood's son?

 

 

The only possible manager we could get that would stir the imagination of the fans outwith someone Scottish is this man.

 

A grade A certifiable lunatic but a great manager in my opinion.

 

 

 

Haha. A really top bloke when we were over in Holland aswell. Unfortunately think he drinks more than Steve Paterson lol

[Dandyjam]

Can we trust the board to make a good appointment considering the poor appointments that have littered Milne's tenure?

 

I think summer is good time to get rid of Brown but also wary of making wrong appointment (yet again) which sees us sink nearer bottom of league.

[The Boofon]

Aye, he's some boy!

 

He's now the Litho manager though. Got the job in January so we've missed that boat for the moment. He still stays in Edinburgh as well.

[tup]

Fuck that useless, incomprehensible Hungarian alkie cunt.

[K-9]

We were in this position under McGhee (EDIT: And Calderwood's last year)!!! Look where we are now! It's all very well saying "Oh, but it'll be different this time...", but when has that ever panned out for Aberdeen Football Club?!

Aye. Said it elsewhere a few times and hinted above that I am really not sure our board has it in them to actually make the correct appointment. Also believe they are not that unhappy to be bottom half of the table with odd semi final either. Sad sad times at AFC in last fifteen years.

[Bobby Connor]

Aye. Said it elsewhere a few times and hinted above that I am really not sure our board has it in them to actually make the correct appointment. Also believe they are not that unhappy to be bottom half of the table with odd semi final either. Sad sad times at AFC in last fifteen years.

 

It's been about 17 years now.

[Karl Fletcher]

I admire the passion on here, but is this even worth debating?

 

I totally agree that Craig Brown has taken us as far as he can.

 

However, the fact of the matter is Brown is contracted to Aberdeen FC for another year.

 

I'm 99% sure the Board will not sack him.

 

All we can do is grin and bear it for another year I'm afraid and hope our Board come up with a gem this time next year.

 

*re-reads post*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[strachanmcgheegoal]

No, didn't say that either, I'd rather they came up with a gem now or fairly soon that Brown moulded into place over the next year.

 

###Note this view is conditional on the fairly safe assumption that Aberdeen will not be signing Jose Mourinho once Broon goes.###

[Karl Fletcher]

No, didn't say that either, I'd rather they came up with a gem now or fairly soon that Brown moulded into place over the next year.

 

We'll be lucky if they manage to do that next year, let alone now!