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[Ke1t]

Who are your favourite orators, speakers, talky-dudes and speechifiers..

 

I'm going to start us off with one of the modern greats, and a huge loss to the rationalist, secular community.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUnuLqfOBCc

[Ke1t]

As per a previous thread, Geoge Galloway is great.

 

I've always intended to listen to some of Winston Churchill's speeches, but never got round to it.

 

A bit like Darren Mackie always intending reading Lord of the Rings.

 

I've also never heard Churchill's speeches, but I see he won WW2, so his speeches must be good.

[muttondressedaslamb]

Robin Cook, despite being ginger was good.

 

Agreed with Hitchens, my favourite

[Ando]

Who are your favourite orators, speakers, talky-dudes and speechifiers..

 

I'm going to start us off with one of the modern greats, and a huge loss to the rationalist, secular community.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUnuLqfOBCc

 

Listening to Hitchens there, when he talks about some people being scared of losing a moral framework/code if Jesus, Mohammed etc. were all suddenly proved to be false, it makes you wonder just what moral framework/code religious belief currently brings to the world when you see people rioting and being killed over a video on fucking youtube. FFS.

[Big Man]

Cicero, Donald Findlay, Paul McBride, Richard Keen, Hitler.

 

There are others like. But these are all top boys for me.

[Ke1t]

Listening to Hitchens there, when he talks about some people being scared of losing a moral framework/code if Jesus, Mohammed etc. were all suddenly proved to be false, it makes you wonder just what moral framework/code religious belief currently brings to the world when you see people rioting and being killed over a video on fucking youtube. FFS.

 

You've hit a very important nail on the head there, and it exposes the hypocrisy/stupidity of the religious stance of moral obligation and the source of those imperatives.

 

The religious community says, "Well, you can't possibly have a moral code, given you've no celestial diktat to follow. We, on the other hand, have that mandate, THAT'S why we don't kill, rape and steal."

 

And you give that a moment of thought, and you come to the understanding that YOU don't kill, rape or steal, and you do it without the need for deistic influence. Then you follow that train of thought further, and what the religious are saying is that THEY will kill, rape and steal if they don't have their moral code dictated to them by their chosen deity.

 

That would mean, simply by applying the religious' own argument, that the religious community is a seething body of murderous lunacy, kept in check only by the rules set out by a being that may or may not even exist. Whereas the secular have an innate set of ethical values that set them apart from, and above, their theistic counterparts.

 

EDIT: I don't want this Topic to move from Oration towards Teleological Philosophy, so scratch that.

[Ando]

You've hit a very important nail on the head there, and it exposes the hypocrisy/stupidity of the religious stance of moral obligation and the source of those imperatives.

 

The religious community says, "Well, you can't possibly have a moral code, given you've no celestial diktat to follow. We, on the other hand, have that mandate, THAT'S why we don't kill, rape and steal."

 

And you give that a moment of thought, and you come to the understanding that YOU don't kill, rape or steal, and you do it without the need for deistic influence. Then you follow that train of thought further, and what the religious are saying is that THEY will kill, rape and steal if they don't have their moral code dictated to them by their chosen deity.

 

That would mean, simply by applying the religious' own argument, that the religious community is a seething body of murderous lunacy, kept in check only by the rules set out by a being that may or may not even exist. Whereas the secular have an innate set of ethical values that set them apart from, and above, their theistic counterparts.

 

Well, a lot of these religious sorts do seem to love nothing more than a good beheading/mass slaughter now and again. Fucking lunatics. Anyway, back to the topic in hand rather than deviating down this route.

[Ke1t]

Neil Degrasse Tyson

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=danYFxGnFxQ&feature=relmfu

[Ke1t]

Cicero, Donald Findlay, Paul McBride, Richard Keen, Hitler.

 

There are others like. But these are all top boys for me.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R73nvRPNSHA

[Big Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R73nvRPNSHA

 

Fantastic little series...

 

[Jigot]

Richard Burton was an exceptional orator.

As was Laurence Olivier.

[Chrisyboy81]

Hitler is a close second.

[Dal Riata Don]

Noam Chomsky: gets repetitive and doesn't rely on sound bites but still puts a powerful and controversial without raising his voice or flapping about.

Never heard his speeches but saw a documentary about him: George Carmen QC could make a jury think that night was day: got Ken Dodd off and got Johnathan Aitken sent down.

[Ke1t]

A lot of folks spoke of Mosley's skills of oration, but to be honest I've never seen it. It's possibly because he always seemed to be dressed up as the bad guy from a 30s Sci-Fi movie (or, I've just realised, Steve Jobs) that I never considered him in the same league as guys like Churchill or Hitler. Can't understand a word Hitler says, but you have to admit to wanting to exterminate the Jews after listening to his speeches, if only to get him to stop shouting.

 

Aanyway, Mosley's surprisingly little known, I think. so, for clarity, he was Britain's answer to the popular Fascist movement that was sweeping around Europe in the early 30s.

 

We come to your planet in peace!

 

See if this impresses you... didn't me. But still, supposedly a great speechmaker, so I guess I'll stick him up.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPB1jy4vmFA

[looksgoodinred]

Bill Clinton. :thumbs: a charismatic and inspiring orator.

[Monkey]

Staying with the US President theme,

 

Both Reagan and Kennedy seemed to have the ability to deliver great speeches.

 

On reflection, I suppose it's not really surprising that those with the ability to "speak well" will be in a position to advance in politics.

[RUL]

Listening to Hitchens there, when he talks about some people being scared of losing a moral framework/code if Jesus, Mohammed etc. were all suddenly proved to be false, it makes you wonder just what moral framework/code religious belief currently brings to the world when you see people rioting and being killed over a video on fucking youtube. FFS.

Yeah but tho folk who organise this prey on the weak and strong believers. The ones at the top are motivated by cash and fully aware religion is nonsense.

 

If it was proved that Jesus etc was made up it would expose a lot of weak people to the "what's it all about line" and if people believe there's no consequences, other than being caught, it may lead to even more social problems.

[Karl Fletcher]

Rick Perry shows how not to do it

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uvmKnFY4uk

[Jigot]

Norman Collier was vastly underestimated as a rebel rouser.

 

Speaking of rebels,how about Johnny Rebel?Now there's a good ol' boy to look up to,or doon,as he is probably deid.

[The Boofon]

I met Robin Cook on a train once when we were heading to an away game. He got off in Perth.

 

 

 

 

 

Safe to say your tossing men off skills and time taken to make them climax have improved significantly since then?

[Jigot]

Donald Dewar was at my sister inlaw's waddin needless to say,I'm still waiting on my pint.Politicians eh?

[Ke1t]

Donald Dewar was at my sister inlaw's waddin needless to say,I'm still waiting on my pint.Politicians eh?

 

England's Rector Provinciae for Scotland. I hope you knacked him in the place where his balls might have been if he had any.

 

I liked me some Tam Dalyell back in the day, but his uncanny similarity to Father Jack tended to distract me, as I expected him to stop mid-sentence and go "FECK OFF, CUP!"

 

[Dandyesque]

Cicero, Donald Findlay, Paul McBride, Richard Keen, Hitler.

 

There are others like. But these are all top boys for me.

 

How can you possibly know how good an orator Cicero was? The dude's been dead for 2000 years.

 

Socrates gave good head though, did you know that?