fine-n-dandy Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2C_FbdglyQ Not much to say about game really from me but will say this. How can Clangers not either hold onto a shot, or at the very least do what keepers are taught at basic levels & turn them around the fkn post he does that all the fkn time. His weaknesses far outweigh his strengths & most of us see this I think. He's a good shot stopper sometimes & can pull off the odd good one handed (snatch shot) save but he cannot kick the ball out. He cannot get hold of the ball. He cannot turn the ball around his post & always always always spills it back out in front to the follow up runner in. He's often liable to spill in the simplest of shots in that any other keeper can keep out just by making sure they get their full body down in front of the ball & he his very liable to bottle it under pressure & especially from opposing fans behind him. Look at McGregor (spit) against Belgium, he was fantastic (especially in first half) & knows how to put the ball around his post or out to the side at least mostly. It canny be as hard as Clangers makes it look can it? 2 1 Link to comment
ferlaytio Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Chris Clark nowhere to be seen in over 5 mins of highlights! He truly is woeful, far worse than Mackie and that's bad. Link to comment
OddJob Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Chris Clark nowhere to be seen in over 5 mins of highlights! He truly is woeful, far worse than Mackie and that's bad.Was a very bizzare decision to start him in that match. Link to comment
Jigot Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Clangers was not at fault for their goal. He has zero culpability this time. Much as I detest the fumbling fool, it is foolish to blame him for that one.Totally,the ball was hit at fu' pelt and he done well to keep it out at all. Link to comment
Sandafc Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Clangers was not at fault for their goal. He has zero culpability this time. Much as I detest the fumbling fool, it is foolish to blame him for that one. Correct. Fail to see how he could have held that or pushed it wide. Link to comment
Supersub Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I was wanting to see both pen shouts, the hand ball in the box and the Ryan Fraser tumble... not saying either were but i'd like to have at least seen them again. Link to comment
OneBeboMaguire Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Shite highlights, don't even tell half a story. What do you expect though eh? Viva Le' Chris Clark. Link to comment
ollie1903 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Chris Clark did one thing of note, a fair old crunch of a tackle on Rankin near the centre circle, during the entire 90 minutes. Not good enough at this level (never was IMO) and an agreement should be reached to allow him to go. 1 1 Link to comment
Sheeptastic Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Wasn't there and from what I've heard it was Dundee Utd first half, Dandies second half. The highlights would suggest that it was all Dundee Utd, however, and that Langfield had a relatively solid game. A point is a good effort from this game as I reckon Utd are about to have a turnaround in form. On to the next one. Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 Clangers was not at fault for their goal. He has zero culpability this time. Much as I detest the fumbling fool, it is foolish to blame him for that one. Totally,the ball was hit at fu' pelt and he done well to keep it out at all. Correct. Fail to see how he could have held that or pushed it wide. Where did I say he was at fault for this goal? Looking at the majority of his saves in general, he fails on a very regular basis to turn the ball round the post. In fact in those very highlights he does it a couple of times. It is one of his many failings that other average keepers have practiced out of them like second nature. I didn't blame him for the goal I only used these highlights to speak about his weaknesses. Link to comment
tightbreeks Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 clangers played well overall, but you could see utd trying long rangers. they know that the clang has a tendency to give up oppurtunities on the rebound. when utd scored, he did have a chance to push it safe, he should be aware where his team mates are or get it out and away. still, c'mon reds we can finish second. vernon needs to score these cut backs, 20+ please this season. Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 Where did I say you did? I agree with you that he's not a good keeper but this particular game does not support both our view. Where did I say you said I did? but before your comment about Clangers I was the only one that mentioned him in the thread. No as the above poster says, Utd knew what they were doing, they know he's a bottler & they especially know about is inability to hold onto the ball, or to turn it around the post. So they just pinged it at him every time they got a slight chance. Yeah it was a powerful shot this time & he obviously reacts well but it certainly is a major weakness to his game. Link to comment
Stoney Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 All about positioning, if langfield is position correctly he is able to dive to his left and the ball goes out, Where he is position only bad things can happen, Left his back post totally exposed not only is he leaving himself in an awkward position to cover any shot, a yard further over hes pushing it out rather than pushing into play. Stopping the hightlights at 1.25 his foot is passed the front post and hes touch tight making it impossible for himself to get his body behind the ball. Strikers are coached to go across the keeper in these situations, Whilst i wouldnt say he could do anything else with the shot, he certainly did himself no favours with his positioning. Link to comment
barassie_afc Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 for once cannot blame langfield, I would point the finger at however was supposed to be picking up rankin didnt even make a challenge Link to comment
King Street Loon Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Chris Clark did one thing of note, a fair old crunch of a tackle on Rankin near the centre circle, during the entire 90 minutes. Not good enough at this level (never was IMO) and an agreement should be reached to allow him to go.Agree that he should be binned.His presence in the team/squad is holding back the young players in the squad like Jordan Brown and Jamie Masson when he's fit.He'll be on a decent wage as well i'd imagine and that wage could be better spent elsewhere. Link to comment
boboisared Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 for once cannot blame langfield, I would point the finger at however was supposed to be picking up rankin didnt even make a challengeYip, when I first saw the goal I did wonder if Langfield could have done better but sadly that's out of habit. Thought one save he did make later on was brave as fuck, considering what happened with Diamond more less volleying him in the face a couple of years ago. Reynolds was done in for the goal and Clark Robertson was too slow to react to the save. Maybe to do with returning from injury or just ball watching. Link to comment
Stoney Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Have a look through the motherwell / hearts highlights, in particular at 1.27 and again at 2.27 the hearts keepers position, a good yard further over where langfield was, meaning not only can he turn any shot round the post, he can also either punch clear or be in a position to get his body right behind the ball and catch it. Somebody blamed osbourne further up the thread? Reynolds is there for cover and does the right thing shows him out wide. Blame for goal is 100% langfield. 1 3 Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Langfield isn;t to blame for that goal this time. I don't rate him but it seems like people are looking for any reason to blame him nowadays Why did Reynolds go to ground just before it against the Utd attacker? I only heard brief commentary of the match but from what I hear it was a cracking game of fitba if you were a neutral. This is the typ of game that the SPL should then be championing, intsead all we will hear about is Celtics 5-0 demolition of St Mirren. Goo to see McGinn on the score sheet again Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Have a look through the motherwell / hearts highlights, in particular at 1.27 and again at 2.27 the hearts keepers position, a good yard further over where langfield was, meaning not only can he turn any shot round the post, he can also either punch clear or be in a position to get his body right behind the ball and catch it. Somebody blamed osbourne further up the thread? Reynolds is there for cover and does the right thing shows him out wide. Blame for goal is 100% langfield. going to ground is not showing him out wide. Link to comment
boboisared Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Langfield isn;t to blame for that goal this time. I don't rate him but it seems like people are looking for any reason to blame him nowadaysWhy did Reynolds go to ground just before it against the Utd attacker?I only heard brief commentary of the match but from what I hear it was a cracking game of fitba if you were a neutral. This is the typ of game that the SPL should then be championing, intsead all we will hear about is Celtics 5-0 demolition of St Mirren. Goo to see McGinn on the score sheet againHe was done in by Russell. To me it looks like he stumbles then tries to save himself with a tackle on his way down. He does show him out wide. Unfortunately for us Russell is a great player at this level. I think guys like him and Griffiths should be bled in to the Scotland squad now. Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 He was done in by Russell. To me it looks like he stumbles then tries to save himself with a tackle on his way down. He does show him out wide. Unfortunately for us Russell is a great player at this level. I think guys like him and Griffiths should be bled in to the Scotland squad now. you mean he tried to show him out wide Link to comment
Stoney Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 HIs position has forced him to go down the outside of reynolds. Slip or no slip hes forcing russel down wide. Link to comment
boboisared Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 you mean he tried to show him out wideHe goes out to Reynolds right hand side which is wide of the goal? Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 HIs position has forced him to go down the outside of reynolds. Slip or no slip hes forcing russel down wide. Russell started on the sideline with the ball and ends up in the box getting a shot off. Reynolds forced him about 0.5 of a yard wider than him and he was forced out of stride for less than half a second. Reynolds was done big time, Bobo might have point if Reynolds slipped but I am not convinced. Reynolds is one my more favoured dons players right now and I think he a great defender but on this occasion I believe he could have done better. HE has enough experience to know he should not go to ground against such a great player after saying all that, being skinned by Russell is not anything to worry about, he can do that to better players and he will. Link to comment
Stoney Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I'll make this easier, Hes forced him to head towards the bye line rather than cut inside and curl one into the gaping hole that langfield has left at his back post Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I'll make this easier, Hes forced him to head towards the bye line rather than cut inside and curl one into the gaping hole that langfield has left at his back post ok I'll make this easier for you, the key is in the phrase I think he could have done better. He could have forced Russell to go to the byline if he'd stayed on his feet, instead he let Russel get in to the box and hit it at our keeper who is notorious for being pish at his front post Link to comment
boboisared Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Russell started on the sideline with the ball and ends up in the box getting a shot off. Reynolds forced him about 0.5 of a yard wider than him and he was forced out of stride for less than half a second. Reynolds was done big time, Bobo might have point if Reynolds slipped but I am not convinced. Reynolds is one my more favoured dons players right now and I think he a great defender but on this occasion I believe he could have done better. HE has enough experience to know he should not go to ground against such a great player after saying all that, being skinned by Russell is not anything to worry about, he can do that to better players and he will.Agree with this. I'm maybe giving him a bit more lee way down to rating him so highly. What about Anderson's tackle on Russell? Reminded me of the tackle on Gravesen at Pittodrie, one of the best I've ever seen. Think he had 2 on the Dane in that game. Was done for pace but recovered magnificently. Link to comment
OddJob Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Agree with this. I'm maybe giving him a bit more lee way down to rating him so highly. What about Anderson's tackle on Russell? Reminded me of the tackle on Gravesen at Pittodrie, one of the best I've ever seen. Think he had 2 on the Dane in that game. Was done for pace but recovered magnificently.Yip, a fantastic challenge from Anderson. We were going mental at the game cause we thought Brines had originally pointed for a penalty, but he was actually signalling a goal kick Link to comment
ollie1903 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Yip, a fantastic challenge from Anderson. We were going mental at the game cause we thought Brines had originally pointed for a penalty, but he was actually signalling a goal kick Hahahaha, ditto. I saw masel' on sportscene giving it the full hands on foreheid arched back thing you do when you feel you've been wronged in an inconceivable way! Link to comment
super_al Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Is it me or do the highlights make us look lucky to get a draw? Dundee Utd had many chance (we clearly had a few ourselves) according to that viewing. Link to comment
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