Bagram Air Base Crash ...

[Terrorfex]

Something that most people flying never consider: how important it is to make sure the luggage/cargo you've loaded is in the right place.

 

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c32_1367332518

 

 

Also, probably the "best" footage of a widebody (747) aircraft stalling ever taken.

[Dynamo]

Saw that earlier. Literally just falls out of the sky.

[Terrorfex]

Saw that earlier. Literally just falls out of the sky.

 

Classic stall. Nose too high to generate the lift needed to stay in the air. Pilot radioed that the military vehicles the aeroplane was carrying had broken free from their strapping and slid down towards the tail - shifting the aircraft's Centre of Gravity and making it impossible to recover.

[ferlaytio]

Classic stall. Nose too high to generate the lift needed to stay in the air. Pilot radioed that the military vehicles the aeroplane was carrying had broken free from their strapping and slid down towards the tail - shifting the aircraft's Centre of Gravity and making it impossible to recover.

 

Where did you read that? That was my only explanation for what happened but couldn't find anything on it.

[Terrorfex]

Where did you read that? That was my only explanation for what happened but couldn't find anything on it.

 

Aviation Herald - usually a good source of information.

 

I'm quite interested to know how the cargo was secured. Especially if it was carrying military equipment which is usually designed first and foremost to be loaded into military transports like the C-17.

[Terrorfex]

Holy shit. That was class. Although there can be no such thing as a "classic" stalling, can there? Never heard of other planes falling out of the sky? Are learner pilots like learner drivers and stall all the time, only this one had a bunch of cargo that went south thus the calamity?

 

Hundreds, if not thousands of crashes have been caused by stalling - it unfortunately happens quite often. Learner pilots are usually taught to "stall" their aircraft at a safe altitude to learn how to recover it. Stalling a small prop plane is a different situation to stalling a large jet, however.

 

A "classic" stall is one that works from the separation of airflow at the trailing edge backwards, towards the leading edge, caused by excessive alpha (Angle of Attack) or in other words, having the nose pointed up too high.

 

In this case, the stall was (possibly) initiated by the cargo shifting rear, causing the aircraft's centre of gravity to follow; this made the tail heavier which dropped, raising the nose beyond its maximum safe angle-up and inducing a stall.

 

You can see in the video that the pilot takes the correct course of action; he pushed down to bring the nose down and the wings return to level; unfortunately he just runs out of air.

[dave_min]

Holy shit. That was class. Although there can be no such thing as a "classic" stalling, can there? Never heard of other planes falling out of the sky? Are learner pilots like learner drivers and stall all the time, only this one had a bunch of cargo that went south thus the calamity?

 

If you do ever bother learning to fly, I highly recommend stalling.

 

Recovering a stall is like being on the best rollercoaster ever built.

[dave_min]

Jeez, thanks for that. Ran out of air? I didn't see any atmospheric change around the aircraft?

 

Did you miss the bit where the air changes to ground?

[Terrorfex]

Jeez, thanks for that. Ran out of air? I didn't see any atmospheric change around the aircraft?

 

No doubt another poster will be around later to correct you, him needing to be the expert of everything.

 

There was a rapid change in atmospheric content; from a primarily gaseous nature to a primarily solid.

[Redstar]

 

There was a rapid change in atmospheric content; from a primarily gaseous nature to a primarily solid.

You are without doubt the cleverest fu*ker on here by a country mile...although your bumming up of MT's horrendous "second car" purchase had me a bit baffled...funnily enough there has been no bragging about what a good buy it was so I'm guessing its sitting redundant, out of tax and MOT at the bottom of his drive.

[dave_min]

Yes I did. Obviously.

 

Well, if you watch the video again, the point where the plane explodes is where the change occurs.

[Terrorfex]

Yes I did. Obviously. The air looked like it was still there to me and the ground didn't change either.

 

The plane fell out of the air and into the ground.

 

It didn't run out of air, unless that's a technical speak? You techies eh? Rascally rascals.

 

The plane fucked up. The plane neither ran out of anything nor did the ground batter it aggressively.

 

The plane ran out of lift. Lift, being a force, is quantifiable and measured in Newtons or, if you prefer imperial, foot-pounds.

 

It certainly ended up fucked up, though.

[dave_min]

That would be one interpretation. I say the plane fucked up and that there was no change in neither the atmosphere nor the ground. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it was probably raining within a 17 mile radius of where the plane hit the ground and that one of the witnesses was called Brian.

 

I would say that neither a change in atmosphere or ground are particularly relevant to the crash.

 

TF's explanation seems reasonable.

 

Had it occurred at a higher altitude, they'd maybe have got away with it.

 

But it didn't.

 

And they didn't.

 

Brian survived though.

[Tommy]

The plane ran out of lift. Lift, being a force, is quantifiable and measured in Newtons or, if you prefer imperial, foot-pounds.

 

It certainly ended up fucked up, though.

Exactly.

[Henry]

You are without doubt the cleverest fu*ker on here by a country mile...although your bumming up of MT's horrendous "second car" purchase had me a bit baffled...funnily enough there has been no bragging about what a good buy it was so I'm guessing its sitting redundant, out of tax and MOT at the bottom of his drive.

 

I'm guessing the purchase was imaginary.

[dave_min]

See? I've got you thinking

 

You've really not.

 

But I applaud your efforts regardless.

[Redstar]

 

I'm guessing the purchase was imaginary.

Yup along with the EasyJet flight and the tasty Portuguese girlfriend...hey ho...

[granite sheep]

Anyone ever seen the Fairchild B52 crash, where said bomber attempted a banking turn too close to the ground and ended up staming into the deck? Now, THAT'S a stall.

[The Boofon]

No. Post a link.

[Ke1t]

Anyone ever seen the Fairchild B52 crash, where said bomber attempted a banking turn too close to the ground and ended up staming into the deck? Now, THAT'S a stall.

 

Saw that one... another good one is where the Russian fighter jet crashes into the deck/screaming crowd as the pilot ejects and saves his own skin.

 

And by 'good' I obviously mean horrifying

[chief_wiggum]

No. Post a link.

 

Think this is it?

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=860_1364234424

[dervish]

That first one is truly brutal.

[Ke1t]

Did anyone see the one where the Space Shuttle crashes into the Moon?

 

[Terrorfex]

You are without doubt the cleverest fu*ker on here by a country mile...although your bumming up of MT's horrendous "second car" purchase had me a bit baffled...funnily enough there has been no bragging about what a good buy it was so I'm guessing its sitting redundant, out of tax and MOT at the bottom of his drive.

 

Maybe. My Rover 75 still goes from strength to strength though.

 

It might have had the appearance of bumming, but I only intended to stick up for the brand regarding a lot of the silly misinformation about them.

[Redstar]

 

Maybe. My Rover 75 still goes from strength to strength though.

 

It might have had the appearance of bumming, but I only intended to stick up for the brand regarding a lot of the silly misinformation about them.

"Bumming up" TF...bumming up...I've owned a variety of cars in my time on the planet and cannot see past Audi as the leader in automotive supremacy...the build quality and cool looks are hard to see past in terms of "value for money"...feel free to shoot me down in flames and tell me I've been suckered in by the brand...but I am a tight Aberdonian who is not easily pleased but the Audi's I've owned have been great to drive and relatively trouble free...Rover on the other hand ...come on...they are cheaply put together tin cans...convince me I've been duped by those Nasty Germans and should a put my money into the Rover brand.

[fifered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Dj-M35MGU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

There are some amazing bits of footage on this clip. The third one the wings just fall off.

[Terrorfex]

"Bumming up" TF...bumming up...I've owned a variety of cars in my time on the planet and cannot see past Audi as the leader in automotive supremacy...the build quality and cool looks are hard to see past in terms of "value for money"...feel free to shoot me down in flames and tell me I've been suckered in by the brand...but I am a tight Aberdonian who is not easily pleased but the Audi's I've owned have been great to drive and relatively trouble free...Rover on the other hand ...come on...they are cheaply put together tin cans...convince me I've been duped by those Nasty Germans and should a put my money into the Rover brand.

 

The "Rover Brand" is dead, and has been since 2005. If I had the disposable income to dump on a brand new A4/5/6/8 with all the toys, I'd not hesitate. Audi produce some of the most sophisticated, technologically advanced cars available to buy.

 

I only think that for the build quality, features (toys) and the bargain price that can be they can be had at, the 75/ZT is an excellent buy. Considering the Rover 75/ZT was built and greenlit while Rover were part of BMW, I don't really subscribe to the idea of them being cheaply put together tin cans.

 

Maybe the Rover 200, or the 600, but those were a long time ago.

 

Of course there's always an element of "The Brand". Much of the technology and design that goes into an Audi goes into a VW, or a Skoda. They're all part of the same group. You are however paying what can be thousands, if not tens of thousands of pounds more for the concentric rings on the front instead of a V above a W.