Peter Weir

[daytripping]

The greatest player to ever don the strip of the red and white of Aberdeen.

 

That is all.

[360]

The greatest player to ever don the Dons strip.

 

That is all.

 

 

 

Before my time but I've got the Madrid 83 game on dvd. There's a moment when Weir skins maybe 3 or 4 of them and puts in a perfect cross for Black... who heads over.

 

As far as Weir's contribution is concerned, probably my favourite football moment.

[ChutneyLove]

Definitely up there. Top 3 anyway.

 

Than fuck I'm an old cunt and can remember The Dons being ace.

[Ke1t]

Peter Weir... 6 whole caps for Scotland.

 

Eric Black... 2 caps.

 

Mark McGhee... 4 caps

 

Neil Simpson... 5 caps

 

John McMaster... no caps. Not a fucking one.

 

Frank McDougall... no caps.

 

Neale Cooper... no caps.

 

The Scottish International set-up can go and fuck itself.

 

In fact, hang on a second...

 

 

1983 Cup Winner Cup winning team

 

Jim Leighton - 91 Caps

Doug Rougvie - 1 cap

Alex McLeish - 77 caps

Willie Miller - 65 caps

John McMaster - No caps

Neale Cooper - No caps

Gordon Strachan - 50 caps

Neil Simpson - 5 caps

Peter Weir - 6 caps

Mark McGhee - 4 caps

Eric Black - 2 caps

 

Bryan Gunn - 6 caps

Andy Watson - no caps

Stewart Kennedy - 8 caps

John Hewitt - No caps

Ian Angus - No caps

 

 

So, taking out Britain's best defensive trio at that time, Leighton, Miller and McLeish, and Strachan who was arguably Scotland's best midfielder... (Cooper and Bett were pretty decent)

 

The remaining 12 players have around 32 caps between them, including meaningless friendlies... less than 3 caps apiece on average.

 

So that seems fair.

[daytripping]

Peter Weir... 6 whole caps for Scotland.

 

Eric Black... 2 caps.

 

Mark McGhee... 4 caps

 

Neil Simpson... 5 caps

 

John McMaster... no caps. Not a fucking one.

 

Frank McDougall... no caps.

 

Neale Cooper... no caps.

 

The Scottish International set-up can go and fuck itself.

 

In fact, hang on a second...

 

 

1983 Cup Winner Cup winning team

 

Jim Leighton - 91 Caps

Doug Rougvie - 1 cap

Alex McLeish - 77 caps

Willie Miller - 65 caps

John McMaster - No caps

Neale Cooper - No caps

Gordon Strachan - 50 caps

Neil Simpson - 5 caps

Peter Weir - 6 caps

Mark McGhee - 4 caps

Eric Black - 2 caps

 

Bryan Gunn - 6 caps

Andy Watson - no caps

Stewart Kennedy - 8 caps

John Hewitt - No caps

Ian Angus - No caps

 

 

So, taking out Britain's best defensive trio at that time, Leighton, Miller and McLeish, and Strachan who was arguably Scotland's best midfielder... (Cooper and Bett were pretty decent)

 

The remaining 12 players have around 32 caps between them, including meaningless friendlies... less than 3 caps apiece on average.

 

So that seems fair.

 

The whole thing is just so fucked up, Simmie, Weir and Black were/are legends, among the greatest players to ever walk our planet and because they wore red instead of green or blue they didn't get picked.

 

The dons team of 83 would have won the World cup in Mexico 86 if they'd been kept together.

[daytripping]

Can't recall but who was keeping Weir out of the Scotland team at the time. I'd put Weir in any top 10 of Dons greats.

 

Top 10!

 

Fuck off.

[daytripping]

He would skip past defenders like they weren't there, take on 2 or 3 then put in a cross, the best ever player I've seen in the flesh, and I've seen the best.

[360]

He would skip past defenders like they weren't there, take on 2 or 3 then put in a cross, the best ever player I've seen in the flesh, and I've seen the best.

 

When I said "perfect cross" earlier, I meant "massively deflected".

 

Still some run though.

[Ke1t]

Looking at the 82 World Cup, against New Zealand we played a 4-3-3, with Strachan, Wark and Souness in the middle. Not sure who played on the left of that trio, but it seems we weren't interested in playing with wide players. Not that Weir was taken to the 82 World Cup, because if you'll remember room had to be made for those footballing giants like George Wood and Alan Evans You remember them, right? I know I don't.

 

Alan Rough kept Leighton out of goal that day... because Rough was a fucking spectacular keeper if you'll remember.

 

Brazil we went 4-4-2... Souness, Strachan, Wark and Hartford in the middle. Again, Roughie in goals. Yas... fuck you Leighton.

 

4-3-3 against the Soviet Union, with the same midfield as we had used against the New Zealanders.

 

We did have some fantastic players back then, some genuinely world class players, and Weir proved he was probably Scotland's best left winger repeatedly at the highest level in club football. Of course his greatest glories would come AFTER the 82 World cup, so surely he would play an integral part in the qualifiers for the 1983 European Championships?

 

Let's see...

 

Scotland v E.Germany... wasn't picked for the squad

Switzerland vs Scotland... as above

Belgium v Scotland... as above

Scotland v Switzerland ... as above

 

-----Aberdeen Win Cup Winner's Cup. Weir being an integral part of that side----

 

Scotland v Belgium... Still can't get picked

East Germany v Scotland... As above

 

Scotland finish bottom of the group and fail to qualify.

 

 

 

-----Aberdeen play Hamburg (The European Cup Holders) in Germany. Weir is an integral part of the team that comes back to Scotland with a 0-0 scoreline... against the European Champions, remember)----

-----Aberdeen play Hamburg (The European Cup Holders) in the second leg in Aberdeen. Weir absolutely destroys German international Right Back, Manny Kaltz, as Aberdeen beats the European Champions 2-0. This actually happened.----

 

Here we see a brief highlight of Aberdeen playing the European Cup Holders off the park. Again... this actually happened. So Dons fans under a certain age, feel free to start weeping.

 

 

Surely, then, Weir would be picked for the qualifying ties for the 86 World Cup?

 

Scotland v Iceland... not in the squad

Scotland v Spain (3-1 to Scotland)... Nope

Spain v Scotland (1-1).. Nope

Scotland v Wales... Nope

Iceland v Scotland ... YES! .... I'm kidding... nope.

Wales v Scotland... nope.

 

Anyway, here's Peter Weir ripping the pish out out of Ipswich in the UEFA Cup (and in particular their Captain, the silky England International Mick Mills), a team which I think was UEFA Cup holders in fact, and a major force in the English First (Now EPL). They finished second in the (EPL) the previous season. Ipswich was another team that was going to beat us. And when we put them out... 20 meaningless Kelt Points if anyone gets close to remembering the infamous headline in the English media when we put out their favourites.

 

Anyway. you can start crying again.

 

Peter Weir, as Daytripping says, probably one of the finest players we've had, and criminally overlooked by the international set-up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ericblack4boss]

When we signed Peter Weir it set a Scottish transfer record of the time, think that suitably explains how goo he was ,

i take your point about the undercapped players as i have stated before they were unluck to be around in the era they were christ we know that

Weir, McGhee, Simpson, Rougvie should have have many more caps, ahead of the likes of Burns, Provan, Dodds, Wark, Albistion, Burley,

 

Black NEVER got capped in his Aberdeen days a total fucking disgrace ive always wondered if his bust up with Ferguson resulted in Ferguson making sure he was'nt picked because can there be a more logical reason for someone who scored so many important goals in big games never getting a sniff.

 

The list of players that were never granted national honours in the 80s makes shocking reading.

 

John McMaster,

Dougie Bell.

Neale Cooper,

Bryan Gunn ( yeah i'll throw him in many people said he was as good as Leighton at the time)

Andy Ritchie (how the fuck a talent like that was nebver picked for Scotland is beyond me)

Ralph Milne,

Hamish McAlpine,

Campbell Money,

Tommy Coyne,

Frank McDougall,

Billy Stark,

Brian Grant,

Ray Stephen,

 

thety are just the ones that imediately spring to mind.

[dazzy_deff]

When we signed Peter Weir it set a Scottish transfer record of the time, think that suitably explains how goo he was ,

i take your point about the undercapped players as i have stated before they were unluck to be around in the era they were christ we know that

Weir, McGhee, Simpson, Rougvie should have have many more caps, ahead of the likes of Burns, Provan, Dodds, Wark, Albistion, Burley,

 

Black NEVER got capped in his Aberdeen days a total fucking disgrace ive always wondered if his bust up with Ferguson resulted in Ferguson making sure he was'nt picked because can there be a more logical reason for someone who scored so many important goals in big games never getting a sniff.

 

The list of players that were never granted national honours in the 80s makes shocking reading.

 

John McMaster,

Dougie Bell.

Neale Cooper,

Bryan Gunn ( yeah i'll throw him in many people said he was as good as Leighton at the time)

Andy Ritchie (how the fuck a talent like that was nebver picked for Scotland is beyond me)

Ralph Milne,

Hamish McAlpine,

Campbell Money,

Tommy Coyne,

Frank McDougall,

Billy Stark,

Brian Grant,

Ray Stephen,

 

thety are just the ones that imediately spring to mind.

 

Tommy Coyne played for Rep of Ireland.

[ericblack4boss]

aye i know that but he should have been picked for Sc otland long before the republic picked him, up i always rated Coyne highly scored goals at every club except in his spell at Tranmere, he lost his wife whilst he was playing there so that may explain things.

but Coyne was only behind Ally NcCoist and John Robertson.

[Frank Butcher]

Give the fucking ball to Weir, was the first bit of football knowledge I ever learned.

 

Being a kid going to Pittodrie you always knew when Weir had the ball as the crowd would all stand up He created an atmosphere all by himself,

 

Knew he had a pitiful amount of caps but the fact he could not even make the squads is just nonsence

 

Probably pissed off Stein by not joining Celtic instead of the Dons when he left St. Mirren

 

Dons players have never got a fair deal when it comes to Scotland caps Buchan, Harper, Archibald 6 caps 3 as sub between them while at the Dons.

 

Looking at the players above I think McMaster was unfortunate in that he had them bad injuries. Seemed to get a good couple of seasons then disaster struck

 

Simpson/Cooper had Cunty chops and John Wark ahead of them, who where cracking players, but how many caps did Paul Fucking Mcstay and Murdo Mcleod win no one is telling me they better than Simmie.

 

I think Gunn did get a fair crack at it though load of under 21 caps and was always in the squads was just the fact we had one of the best goalkeepers in the world ahead of him. and then Egypt kinda fucked him fullstop.

 

Dougie Bell/Hewitt would they have made a fully fit Dons starting line up at the time though.

 

 

 

 

 

[E-P-K]

When we signed Peter Weir it set a Scottish transfer record of the time,

 

 

Aye, £300K + Ian Scanlon,

 

The previous record was £150K - Frank McDougall, Clydebank - St Mirren, 1979.

[tightbreeks]

I bet weegie-centric sfa didn't want a team full of dons who had beat their old infirm favourites!

 

82 and 86 should've been made up of the Aberdeen team, with maybe souness and dalglish getting a look in.

[tightbreeks]

some talking head on sky sports said that Aberdeen never had a full house during fergie's time.

 

if he was meaning the league then that's pap. I mind a 1-1 at pittodrie v Dundee utd and it was a full house. i'm sure there are many more.

 

I think fergie was miffed that a crucial European game only got 14k. he felt a bit let down about this.

[fine-n-dandy]

When we signed Peter Weir it set a Scottish transfer record of the time, think that suitably explains how goo he was ,

i take your point about the undercapped players as i have stated before they were unluck to be around in the era they were christ we know that

Weir, McGhee, Simpson, Rougvie should have have many more caps, ahead of the likes of Burns, Provan, Dodds, Wark, Albistion, Burley,

 

Black NEVER got capped in his Aberdeen days a total fucking disgrace ive always wondered if his bust up with Ferguson resulted in Ferguson making sure he was'nt picked because can there be a more logical reason for someone who scored so many important goals in big games never getting a sniff.

 

The list of players that were never granted national honours in the 80s makes shocking reading.

 

John McMaster,

Dougie Bell.

Neale Cooper,

Bryan Gunn ( yeah i'll throw him in many people said he was as good as Leighton at the time)

Andy Ritchie (how the fuck a talent like that was nebver picked for Scotland is beyond me)

Ralph Milne,

Hamish McAlpine,

Campbell Money,

Tommy Coyne,

Frank McDougall,

Billy Stark,

Brian Grant,

Ray Stephen,

 

thety are just the ones that imediately spring to mind.

Even more shocking when the likes of fucking Prickchard Fisted got a call up for Scotland now . Thank fuck he never got off the bench

[ericblack4boss]

Give the fucking ball to Weir, was the first bit of football knowledge I ever learned.

 

Being a kid going to Pittodrie you always knew when Weir had the ball as the crowd would all stand up He created an atmosphere all by himself,

 

Knew he had a pitiful amount of caps but the fact he could not even make the squads is just nonsence

 

Probably pissed off Stein by not joining Celtic instead of the Dons when he left St. Mirren

 

Dons players have never got a fair deal when it comes to Scotland caps Buchan, Harper, Archibald 6 caps 3 as sub between them while at the Dons.

 

Looking at the players above I think McMaster was unfortunate in that he had them bad injuries. Seemed to get a good couple of seasons then disaster struck

 

Simpson/Cooper had Cunty chops and John Wark ahead of them, who where cracking players, but how many caps did Paul Fucking Mcstay and Murdo Mcleod win no one is telling me they better than Simmie.

 

I think Gunn did get a fair crack at it though load of under 21 caps and was always in the squads was just the fact we had one of the best goalkeepers in the world ahead of him. and then Egypt kinda fucked him fullstop.

 

Dougie Bell/Hewitt would they have made a fully fit Dons starting line up at the time though.

have to pull you up on Paul McStay when he fufills his potential he will be............................OH!

[ollie1903]

Take nothing away, Paul McStay was a tremendous player.

[tightbreeks]

mcstay used to frustrate like fuck when he played for Scotland, he just never seemed produce.

[sheepiekev]

He would skip past defenders like they weren't there, take on 2 or 3 then put in a cross, the best ever player I've seen in the flesh, and I've seen the best.

He's the best left winger we've ever had (just shading Haraldur Ingolfsson)

Not the top player though.

 

In their respective positions, Willie Miller was better.

Strachan was also better than Weir.

 

He was an excellent player, but not the best in my opinion.

[ericblack4boss]

Take nothing away, Paul McStay was a tremendous player.

ollie would McStay not have been better suited to todays game midfielders of his ilk were not appreciated fully 30 years ago, mcStay in todays game would have thrived on the less physical nature of the game

[OddJob]

Peter Weir... 6 whole caps for Scotland.

 

Eric Black... 2 caps.

 

Mark McGhee... 4 caps

 

Neil Simpson... 5 caps

 

John McMaster... no caps. Not a fucking one.

 

Frank McDougall... no caps.

 

Neale Cooper... no caps.

 

The Scottish International set-up can go and fuck itself.

 

In fact, hang on a second...

 

 

1983 Cup Winner Cup winning team

 

Jim Leighton - 91 Caps

Doug Rougvie - 1 cap

Alex McLeish - 77 caps

Willie Miller - 65 caps

John McMaster - No caps

Neale Cooper - No caps

Gordon Strachan - 50 caps

Neil Simpson - 5 caps

Peter Weir - 6 caps

Mark McGhee - 4 caps

Eric Black - 2 caps

 

Bryan Gunn - 6 caps

Andy Watson - no caps

Stewart Kennedy - 8 caps

John Hewitt - No caps

Ian Angus - No caps

 

 

So, taking out Britain's best defensive trio at that time, Leighton, Miller and McLeish, and Strachan who was arguably Scotland's best midfielder... (Cooper and Bett were pretty decent)

 

The remaining 12 players have around 32 caps between them, including meaningless friendlies... less than 3 caps apiece on average.

 

So that seems fair.

 

Absolutely criminal some of those guys getting such a paltry number of caps. Out of interest was Dougie Bell ever capped?

[Robbie Winters]

I bet weegie-centric sfa didn't want a team full of dons who had beat their old infirm favourites!

 

82 and 86 should've been made up of the Aberdeen team, with maybe souness and dalglish getting a look in.

I cannot remember rightly but when Scotland played Northern Ireland in Belfast in 1983 there was a chance that the whole Scotland team could have been Dons although we only ended up having 5 in the starting line up : Leighton, McLeish, Rougvie, Strachan & Weir and McGhee came on late. I think Miller was injured but it did not help as NI won 2-0. John McMaster who was a neighbour of mine at the time and I think travelled with the party said Stein was too scared to include to many Dons

[ericblack4boss]

Absolutely criminal some of those guys getting such a paltry number of caps. Out of interest was Dougie Bell ever capped?

nope Bell was never capped at full level, he may have recieved call ups to B or under21 squads, but never full caps

[ericblack4boss]

I cannot remember rightly but when Scotland played Northern Ireland in Belfast in 1983 there was a chance that the whole Scotland team could have been Dons although we only ended up having 5 in the starting line up : Leighton, McLeish, Rougvie, Strachan & Weir and McGhee came on late. I think Miller was injured but it did not help as NI won 2-0. John McMaster who was a neighbour of mine at the time and I think travelled with the party said Stein was too scared to include to many Dons

Did Simpson not play in that game too

[elephantstone78]

It could get really depressing looking at the list of players we had at our disposal in the glorious 80s and then to consider the squads of the last 10 years. I genuinely do not think there has been one player in the past decade and a half that would have got a game for us in 1983-1987. People, feel free to suggest one

[ericblack4boss]

Russell Anderson?

[Ke1t]

McGinn and Anderson might make the fringes of the squad... maybe.

 

Think that's about it.

[ollie1903]

It could get really depressing looking at the list of players we had at our disposal in the glorious 80s and then to consider the squads of the last 10 years. I genuinely do not think there has been one player in the past decade and a half that would have got a game for us in 1983-1987. People, feel free to suggest one

Eoin Jess