Benefit Cap.

[The Boofon]

About fucking time.

 

Discuss.

[bonzodaddy73]

What is the cap now?

[The Boofon]

What is the cap now?

 

Couples and lone parents will now not receive more than £500 a week, while a £350 limit applies to single people.

 

More than enough IMO.

[tup]

Should be NIL.

 

Fuckin hate scroungers, off your arse and work, lazy cunts.

[zander]

Unless I worked that out wrong a person on minimum wage is earning less than a person on maximum benefits?

The system is all wrong no wonder no cunt wants to work.

[looksgoodinred]

Couples and lone parents will now not receive more than £500 a week, while a £350 limit applies to single people.

 

More than enough IMO.

 

i'm almost afraid to ask. what was the benefit before?

[madjockmcferson]

Is it everyone you grudge getting benefits or just those you personally don't like?

[Monkey]

 

i'm almost afraid to ask. what was the benefit before?

 

I don't think there was a limit before so if you kept having kids your benefits would keep going up.

 

http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/Neighbours-anger-jobless-family-11-moved-163-300-000-home/story-11354215-detail/story.html#axzz2ZBcBPtxQ

[ChutneyLove]

I suggest you watch Jeremy Kyle LGIR, you'll see pretty quickly what goes on here in UK.

[Old Wing Stand]

I would take it further and clamp down on those people claiming disability when there is nothing wrong with them !

Every town and village in the country has them

[granite sheep]

Benefits should be given out on the strict proviso that the recipient actually uses the money for what it's intended for: for example I know a lassie that bides doon at the bottom of Anderson Drive, apparently when the new road goes in, they get relocation money for their move to a new council flat. Supposed to be something in the region of a couple o grand, for moving and decorating costs. She said in all seriousness, she's gonna use all the money on tellies and game consoles for her kids. Abuse like that o the system needs tp be stamped out.

[ChutneyLove]

Free houses for lassies that get up the duff - bin that as well. Know a fair few from when I was younger who got pregnant just so they could move out of home. Let's keep the flats for those needy Poles!

[Dynamo]

Is it everyone you grudge getting benefits or just those you personally don't like?

 

The work shy scroungers for me. Those who could get a job but feel what they're offered is beneath them. Etc. Etc.

 

I think everyone is aware that there are those out there in genuine need, through illness or disability, but then there are those who are not. I'm sure they all have their own sob story like nothing bad ever happens to anyone else though.

[spamspamspam]

I would take it further and clamp down on those people claiming disability when there is nothing wrong with them !

Every town and village in the country has them

 

 

How would you recommend that is done without persecuting the disabled?

 

Every time any government has tried it ends up making genuinely disabled people jump through hoops to keep their benefits and some, even though they were born disabled then loose out. If the government were to take a stance that meant people born with disabilities or people that have been in serious accidents etc could go to their own doctor and that doctor could then write them off work for life I'd be fine with all the tests the others would have to do but so far not one government has drawn a line.

 

I personally think that when someones benefits are threatened the government should also look at things like the local job market before stopping them. Its all well and good saying someone is fit for work, work shy, a scrounger or can work but refuses to but if there is no work in the area they live and moving house isnt an option as there isnt any smaller local authority housing left then they shouldnt have their benefits capped and they shouldnt be subject to things like the bedroom tax.

 

They should also give more support to people willing to move to find work. Going by my own personal experience when I returned from Holland... I was 4 month without a job so my battle fund was starting to take a dent, was starting to look for work in London as well, went for a couple of interviews, one was promising so spoke to the job centre to see if there was any way to get some sort of assistance if I was offered a job in London and had to move, straight answer of no. If the government is trying to promote mobility with their policies on housing benefit and job seekers allowance then they have to assist that mobility when people are willing. Never wanted a hand out, a loan of sorts to assist in moving costs would've made it a lot easier if I decided to move.

 

Its all well and good the government saying people have to get back to work but if they arent physically capable or the work isnt available in the area and there is no assistance when it comes to working another area of the country then it makes it near impossible for those that are willing to work to find work and settle somewhere else.

[Old Wing Stand]

Some of the "disabled" where I live are out taking long walks with their dogs a few times a day, surely if they are able to do this they could take a job like working at a supermarket checkout like many genuine handicapped people do.

More rigorous testing should be applied too to weed out the genuine from the dodgers

[terenceandphilip]

on radio 4 this morning, they were quibbling about how Britain's 3.5 million disabled could access the online portal for new claims.

 

 

I've got news for the government, there aren't 3.5 million disabled people in the uk. And here lies your problem.

 

 

 

 

With regards to the other cuts - about f3cking time. Don't say that on ab-mad though, all the lefties will cut you down!! "We have to pay the poor mummies £50k a year for their 7 children by different men" etc etc.

 

There was a young mum on the radio last year explaining in detail why it wasn't worth her while getting a job - quoting exact figures etc. Government ministers must have listened and wept - apart from Labour of course who were too busy making sure every school leaver in the uk went to university. What do actually clever kids do these days? I remember at school there was always a couple of fruitloops got 100% in every Higher they sat. I feel a bit sorry for them in a way now, they must just end up with a degree same as dorky dennis with his one Higher in home economics.

 

Got to love the Tories sometimes. :-)

[Bluto10]

in holland you get benefit to have sex with prozzies, up to 12 times a year. if yer disabled like.

 

dinna think aspergers counts tup so dinna bother movin over.

[beer gut]

The welfare system used to be a safety net but now it's treated as a lifestyle or dare i say it a human right.

I'd go further and stop all cash payouts and get a deal in place with all the major supermarkets in place whereby everyone will be issued with a store card valid in all the major retailers which can only be used on necessities like food, clothes etc and ineligible to be used for alcohol, fags, sky tv, internet, mobile phones etc etc etc. If they want these things they should get a job that pays.

 

All the folk you usually see on the BBC moaning that the have to skip meals due to the cuts piss me off. I bet you most of them are paying for sky tv and broadband but it doesn't register with these mongs to cancel the subscription.

[spamspamspam]

on radio 4 this morning, they were quibbling about how Britain's 3.5 million disabled could access the online portal for new claims.

 

 

I've got news for the government, there aren't 3.5 million disabled people in the uk. And here lies your problem.

 

 

 

 

With regards to the other cuts - about f3cking time. Don't say that on ab-mad though, all the lefties will cut you down!! "We have to pay the poor mummies £50k a year for their 7 children by different men" etc etc.

 

There was a young mum on the radio last year explaining in detail why it wasn't worth her while getting a job - quoting exact figures etc. Government ministers must have listened and wept - apart from Labour of course who were too busy making sure every school leaver in the uk went to university. What do actually clever kids do these days? I remember at school there was always a couple of fruitloops got 100% in every Higher they sat. I feel a bit sorry for them in a way now, they must just end up with a degree same as dorky dennis with his one Higher in home economics.

 

Got to love the Tories sometimes. :-)

 

Incapacity benefit costs the UK near £5bln a year

Housing benefit and rent rebates cost around £22.5bln a year

 

Pensions, a lot of which is given to people with large private pensions as well as claiming the state pension costs close to £75bln a year.

 

I'd say, controversially, that pensioners and pensions should be the first target. means testing for the winter fuel allowance and state pension may save a lot more money than taking money from the disabled or young mum.

 

I'd also say that the regulations Labour made when in power in regards to childcare are a large cause of single parents and the poorer families now not working. The cost of childcare now makes working impossible for some and not worthwhile for others. Once again, if the government is going to take away money and want single parents and poor families to find work they have to make it easier and cheaper to get child care. Gone are the days when I was 12 when kids walked home from school, let themselves in, ate the sarnie ma had left to keep you going until 5.30 when she got home. Now its kids must be picked up from school, they must be released to a responsible adult, child carers must have several qualifications, be vetted by the police, private houses must all meet some crazy regulations and with that the cost of it has spiralled out of control. I think my sister now pays around £800 a month for childcare. One is 7 and in school most of her working hours, the other is 2. They both have good jobs so while £800 a month stings they can do it. Big difference though if its a family where both work for minimum wage.

 

 

The welfare system used to be a safety net but now it's treated as a lifestyle or dare i say it a human right.

 

I'd go further and stop all cash payouts and get a deal in place with all the major supermarkets in place whereby everyone will be issued with a store card valid in all the major retailers which can only be used on necessities like food, clothes etc and ineligible to be used for alcohol, fags, sky tv, internet, mobile phones etc etc etc. If they want these things they should get a job that pays.

 

All the folk you usually see on the BBC moaning that the have to skip meals due to the cuts piss me off. I bet you most of them are paying for sky tv and broadband but it doesn't register with these mongs to cancel the subscription.

 

 

When would you kick that in?

Why should I, someone that has paid into a system for years, hardly ever take out, when I have its been for 4 months max. If I added up how long I've been unemployed and claimed over the last 24 years I've paid tax that time would be less than 1 year. So, why should I have to give up smoking or my sky for a couple of months because I've lost my job?

 

Bluto mentioned the Dutch... There you get a proportion of your last wage as long as you've paid into the system for over 12 continuous months. To begin with its something like 90% of your last wage. It goes down after 3, 6 and then 12 months but I'd say thats a much farer system than the blanket approach we have. If you loose your job, through no fault of your own, then you should get back what you've paid in to an extent. Taking away all cash and giving tesco bread tokens instead would be utterly degrading to someone like you or me that has worked, wants to work, will work as soon as they can and has paid into the system for years.

 

I'd say to do that you'd have to make sure you drew a line somewhere for those that have contributed.

 

As for your 2nd point, I was given the grand total of £54 a week to live on last time I was unemployed. I dont have kids or a wife, I still cant live on £54 a week even without sky, outgoing telephone calls, contract mobile phone.. you need broadband to find a job these days, electricity costs a small fortune as does gas. You still have other bills to pay and if you have a mortgage you dont get housing benefit. I'd say if all this was looked at and made farer for those that usually work the benefit system would become something to be proud of again instead of something we look at as a way of some getting an easy life. I personally though dont think its easy living on the money the government gives the unemployed.

[beer gut]

A lot can be done to save money but it seems labour are against every change.

 

With regards to benefits. Having a job and losing it is entirely different to the people i would target. These are the people who have never had a job or paid into the system but expect the taxpayer to fund their lifestyles. That's what needs to change.

 

I know where you are coming from because i have been made redundant twice but i have never claimed any benefits. The one time i enquired i was told i wouldn't get anything despite having worked all my life.

 

I was fuming because at the next table a polish couple, who had been in the country for less than a year, were being informed that the could claim everything under the sun. I lost the plot with the smarmy dickhead i was talking to and left.

 

The whole welfare system needs root and branch reform so it is simple and fair. Unfortunately it wont happen any time soon.

[alscotoz]

Couples and lone parents will now not receive more than £500 a week, while a £350 limit applies to single people.

 

More than enough IMO.

 

What do you need to 'do to qualify' for these max payments, out of interest?

[spamspamspam]

I know where you are coming from because i have been made redundant twice but i have never claimed any benefits. The one time i enquired i was told i wouldn't get anything despite having worked all my life.

 

I was fuming because at the next table a polish couple, who had been in the country for less than a year, were being informed that the could claim everything under the sun. I lost the plot with the smarmy dickhead i was talking to and left.

 

I had a similar experience but it was a junkie sitting next to me.

 

I'm having to fight for my £54 and I'm being told I wont get housing benefit while he's bitching about only getting £350 of the £450 he was due that week. No prizes for guessing who had paid into the system and who had been spending that money on smack...

 

I agree, the whole thing needs overhauled, just not in the way its being done right now. Those that have worked and paid in should be better looked after for at least 6 months than those that havent.

[Jocky Balboa]

The last few governments have presided over a welfare system that has bred at least 2 generations with a pathetic sense of self-entitlement and it has to stop.

[The Boofon]

What do you need to 'do to qualify' for these max payments, out of interest?

Fuck knows.

[looksgoodinred]

I don't think there was a limit before so if you kept having kids your benefits would keep going up.

 

http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/Neighbours-anger-jobless-family-11-moved-163-300-000-home/story-11354215-detail/story.html#axzz2ZBcBPtxQ

 

thanks, Monkey. surely this particular link though isn't the norm? it would be only the odd one out that takes such advantage and gets away with it?

 

I suggest you watch Jeremy Kyle LGIR, you'll see pretty quickly what goes on here in UK.

 

mmm.. thanks for the suggestion, but i think i'll take a pass on watching Jeremy Kyle

[tightbreeks]

as griff from the call centre said "there's no money in being unemployed now."

 

it's hard to get money from poor people, due their very nature of being poor. oz is going to have to do some proper thinking and go after something else with cash.

 

pensions are the big problem but no government will touch that because it's old codgers that do most of the voting.

[The Boofon]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2365312/Jobless-couple-claim-27-000-year-benefits-want-new-council-house-theyve-SIX-children-accident-living-bedroom-flat.html

 

[looksgoodinred]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2365312/Jobless-couple-claim-27-000-year-benefits-want-new-council-house-theyve-SIX-children-accident-living-bedroom-flat.html

 

 

what a load of crap!

 

if i were actively trying not to have more children, and a number of birth control methods had all failed, how about a tubal ligation? or a vasectomy? they've pretty good success rates with those. she says a doctor said she was too young for a tubal, but is there a minimum age for a vasectomy? i wouldn't think so (my cousin had one done in his mid-20s).

[The Boofon]

what a load of crap!

 

if i were actively trying not to have more children, and a number of birth control methods had all failed, how about a tubal ligation? or a vasectomy? they've pretty good success rates with those. she says a doctor said she was too young for a tubal, but is there a minimum age for a vasectomy? i wouldn't think so (my cousin had one done in his mid-20s).

I'm more concerned at how they manage to have sex given they live in a one bedroom flat with 6 kids.

 

Sounds a bit creepy.

 

He looks like a kiddie fiddler. I'd not be surprised to find out there is some sort of perversion going on in that small flat.

 

Lovely picture in the background however. Very Millertime.

[daytripping]

Job seekers allowance!!!! fuck off.

 

Everyone in the Country can see by looking at them they'll never ever have a job, he'll soon claim a bad back and get more money for invalidity, she'll claim depression, the system is shit.

 

The real sufferers are the idiots who go to work and pay their way, they try and do things right and by doing that rule themselves out of ever getting council housing or decent benefits if they ever find themselves out of work.