Poll - Military Intervention In Syria

[Big Man]

As above.

[StandFree1982]

I put a "no" but this could change to a "yes" if we do find proof they are hitting civilians and more worryingly, children, with chemical weapons. As much as it's "nothing to do with us" someone needs to step in, if they are indeed doing what we think they are doing, and help them out.

[The Boofon]

No. They don't have enough oil and I work with a Syrian.

 

Two good reasons to stay the fuck out of it.

[Tommy]

I went Yes but it needs to be NATO organised and not a gung ho attack which would

affect innocents.

[StandFree1982]

I went Yes but it needs to be NATO organised and not a gung ho attack which would

affect innocents.

American soldiers running in guns blazing, sun glasses on shooting anything that moves or will likely move.

[Sheep#1]

nae sure, can see both arguments here. Terrible situation, but we have jumped into/kicked off enough conflicts over the years. Let the sceptic tanks steam in and deal with it, they are more than resourced and capable.

[tup]

Absolutely not.

 

The official reasoning for it is basically a concoction of lies.

 

Have we learned nothing from the lies we were told pre-Iraq?

 

I'm glad the sinister Hague and Cameron have been stopped in their tracks.

[zander]

No both sides are utter cunts.

[Terrorfex]

Yes.

[Pash]

NO.

[Ke1t]

The more I hear about this chemical attack the more it seems like a set up to me.

 

Not only did the Syrian government allegedly perpetrate a chemical attack for no apparent reason, but of all the targets they could have chose... of all the genuine, worthwhile targets,,, they decide to attack a playground full of kids in the full knowledge that this would be of no benefit to the Syrian government whatsoever and, at the same time, ensure the galvanising of world support against the Syrian government.

 

Uh huh.

 

And now America is on the warpath, saying they want to attack Syria because Syria attacked Syria?

 

Uh huh.

 

And who 'intercepted' panicked transmissions regarding this 'attack'?

 

Israeli intelligence.

 

Uh huh,

 

Call me cynical, but I don't know what could be changed about this scenario to make it look any more like a set-up.

[caledonia]

yes

[tup]

Agreed a clear setup.

 

It pains me that folk swallow it blindly, it proves it works.

 

We attack Syrian children in order to facilitate an attack on the country in general.

 

Madness.

[Ke1t]

Agreed a clear setup.

 

It pains me that folk swallow it blindly, it proves it works.

 

We attack Syrian children in order to facilitate an attack on the country in general.

 

Madness.

 

This is how it appears to me.

 

From one report...

 

A napalm-like substance was used to bomb a crowded playground in northern Syria, killing at least 10 children.

A jet fighter, believed to be part of President Assad's airforce, dropped an incendiary bomb onto an Aleppo school leaving many children with severe burns all over their bodies, a BBC Panorama programme reported.

Eyewitnesses said the jet hovered over the school numerous times, probably searching for a target, before it dropped the device.

So what we have is a jet that didn't just arbitrarily drop a bomb on a rogue bombing run... we have a jet that deliberately sought out a very specific target, and did not release its payload until that target had been identified. A target that could be absolutely, unequivocally, guaranteed to turn world opinion against the Syrian government. A school playground full of children.

As I say, the more I read about this incident the clearer it becomes that this is a false flag operation... and a pretty crude and obvious one at that.

[Big Man]

I'm firmly in the yes camp.

 

This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan - It's much more complicated than that.

 

There is an overwhelming moral argument for a humanitarian intervention - regardless of who is using the chemical weapons. Absolutely no need for boots on the ground at this stage (something that I would be firmly against). We do this from the air and we do if from the sea - targetted missile strikes aimed at reducing Syrian military capablity. Meanwhile the CIA and Mossad can continue to fund rebel groups like they've been doing for months in an effort to achieve their dycensian ends.

 

[winton54]

Yes from me.

[davieb]

No chance, we need clear proof and a UN mandate before we interfere. Have we learned nothing from the debacle that is Iraq?

 

I also don't get this "crossing the line" with regard to chemical weapons as if bombing civilians with conventional "chemical" weapons is somehow not so bad!

[Ke1t]

I'm firmly in the yes camp.

 

This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan - It's much more complicated than that.

 

There is an overwhelming moral argument for a humanitarian intervention - regardless of who is using the chemical weapons. Absolutely no need for boots on the ground at this stage (something that I would be firmly against). We do this from the air and we do if from the sea - targetted missile strikes aimed at reducing Syrian military capablity. Meanwhile the CIA and Mossad can continue to fund rebel groups like they've been doing for months in an effort to achieve their dycensian ends.

 

 

The last 'humanitarian' military action initiated by the west resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead men, women and children, and hundreds of thousands more displaced into refugee camps around the Middle East.

 

Malnutrition is still rife in Iraq, as are power outages, and institutionalised rape and torture continues, just as it did under Saddam.

 

So, your emotions having been piqued by the chemical attack, you think it's somehow preferable that Syrians are killed by NATO rather than (allegedly) the Syrians?

[ericblack4boss]

for me a yes we sat back when there was disgusting atrocities in Kosovo and Rwanda both were just conflict for us to get involved in.

I don't think there is any doubt the yanks and French are going to send in a tirade of tomahawks.

some people maybe happy to sit out and not get involved when children are being poisoned well that's fine . but not with me

[Ke1t]

Well, if there was ever any doubt that this was a False Flag Operation... there isn't now.

 

At the beginning of the year it was reported in the mainstream media... just check the date of the report;

 

London, Jan 30 (ANI): The Obama administration gave green signal to a chemical weapons attack plan in Syria that could be blamed on President Bashar al Assad's regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country, leaked documents have shown.

 

http://in.news.yahoo.com/us-backed-plan-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-syria-045648224.html

 

 

http://youtu.be/Xrxl8nA9Arg

 

 

 

The Hacked Email

[E-P-K]

After listening to John Kerry, safe to say there will be a missile or two landing in Damascus from America assets before the weekend is over.

 

 

 

 

Berto, u dye your hair, never knew you were ginge ?

[E-P-K]

An article on 29 January reported allegations on the internet that the US Government had backed a plot to launch a chemicals weapons attack in Syria and blame it on the Assad regime.

The reports made reference to an email said to have been from David Goulding, the Business Development Director of Britam Defence, to company founder, Philip Doughty. The email had been published on the internet after Britam’s computer system was illegally hacked in Singapore. It referred to a proposal that Britam would deliver chemical weapons to Syria for enormous financial reward and suggested that the directors were willing to consider the illegal proposal.

We now accept that email was fabricated and acknowledge there is no truth in any suggestion that Britam or its directors were willing to consider taking part in such a plot, which may have led to an atrocity.

We apologise to each of them and have agreed to pay substantial damages.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-2311199/Britam-Defence-David-Goulding-Philip-Doughty.html#ixzz2dTd0Bfc1

Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-2311199/Britam-Defence-David-Goulding-Philip-Doughty.html

[Ke1t]

I'd start with Alex Jones, the guy who runs infowars.

 

Mainstream claim he's a Conspiracy Theorist, however this is a guy who actually puts his boots on and physically goes out and investigates what he's talking about. He was the guy who actually infiltrated Bohemian Grove and took video footage of what the leaders of nations and industry get up to behind closed doors... and if you see that footage you will, at the very least, go... "What in the fuck?"

 

Anyway, he deals primarily in facts and evidence, rather than hokum.

 

http://youtu.be/UwZ5B7dPRfA

[Ke1t]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-2311199/Britam-Defence-David-Goulding-Philip-Doughty.html

 

Now that's retrospectively convenient, particularly in light of this actually occurring.

 

EDIT: The retraction as the result of legal action is presumably because The Mail couldn't prove they weren't fake, rather than actual proof that they are fake, however.

[E-P-K]

Remember Alex Thomson, the C4 reporter who girfu the huns, his bread and butter is war reporting,

 

His blog and tweet have some interesting info re Syria

 

https://twitter.com/alextomo

 

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/

[Ke1t]

Remember Alex Thomson, the C4 reporter who girfu the huns, his bread and butter is war reporting,

 

His blog and tweet have some interesting info re Syria

 

https://twitter.com/alextomo

 

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/

 

This has been in the works for some time, by the looks of things.

 

The Israelis have been building their forces along the Golan heights, and apparently launching attacks on Syrian territory using Turkish Bases.

 

The Turks themselves have been shelling the Syrians.

 

Syrian rebels have been caught and arrested trying to smuggle Sarin gas into Syria... hmmmm... the mainstream has been extraordinarily quiet about that, and remains so.

 

From what I'm reading, and reading between the lines, the plan to oust Assad has been in the works for some time, it's co-ordinated between the US, Turkey and, most probably planned by, Israel.

 

What we're seeing now is the end-game of that plan, and the chemical attack is the catalyst.

 

It makes no sense that Assad would drop sarin on schoolkids, but the countries looking to topple Assad stand to gain massively from this attack.

[tutankamun]

No.

 

We can't afford it.

[E-P-K]

This has been in the works for some time, by the looks of things.

 

The Israelis have been building their forces along the Golan heights, and apparently launching attacks on Syrian territory using Turkish Bases.

 

The Turks themselves have been shelling the Syrians.

 

Syrian rebels have been caught and arrested trying to smuggle Sarin gas into Syria... hmmmm... the mainstream has been extraordinarily quiet about that, and remains so.

 

From what I'm reading, and reading between the lines, the plan to oust Assad has been in the works for some time, it's co-ordinated between the US, Turkey and, most probably planned by, Israel.

 

What we're seeing now is the end-game of that plan, and the chemical attack is the catalyst.

 

It makes no sense that Assad would drop sarin on schoolkids, but the countries looking to topple Assad stand to gain massively from this attack.

 

 

Aye. very interesting to see how this pans out, as a majority of the opposition are Islamic nut cases, which asks the questions, why are the West so keen on topple Assad, simply to lesser Iran's position in the district.

 

And how are Russia and China going to respond when US of A missiles rain down.

 

A proxy war is already under way. but this conflict could well be the most severe in a generation.

[spamspamspam]

I'd start with Alex Jones, the guy who runs infowars.

 

He's probably the only real journalist left in the US. Sometimes he's a little bit too full on IMO but at least he has researched his reports properly before broadcast.

 

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I'm a no.

 

Not our place, we are not the world police nor do we have some moral high ground to stand on that gives us some sort of authority to bomb Syrians for bombing Syrians.

 

Unless there is a 100% undeniable smoking gun pointing to the Syrian government actually using chemical weapons and not just some piss poor US dossier then I dont think any country is in a place to legally use weapons against the Syrian government.

 

Even if there is I'm not for going in as part of a coalition of countries. We can supply NATO with troops and it can be a truly international effort or not one at all.

[Terrorfex]

This is how it appears to me.

 

From one report...

 

A napalm-like substance was used to bomb a crowded playground in northern Syria, killing at least 10 children.

A jet fighter, believed to be part of President Assad's airforce, dropped an incendiary bomb onto an Aleppo school leaving many children with severe burns all over their bodies, a BBC Panorama programme reported.

Eyewitnesses said the jet hovered over the school numerous times, probably searching for a target, before it dropped the device.

So what we have is a jet that didn't just arbitrarily drop a bomb on a rogue bombing run... we have a jet that deliberately sought out a very specific target, and did not release its payload until that target had been identified. A target that could be absolutely, unequivocally, guaranteed to turn world opinion against the Syrian government. A school playground full of children.

As I say, the more I read about this incident the clearer it becomes that this is a false flag operation... and a pretty crude and obvious one at that.

 

 

Well for a start, Syria possesses no VTOL jets that can "hover" (Neither does Israel, by the way). Secondly, we have no proof the target was deliberately selected. It wouldn't be the first pilot to release ordnance somewhere he wasn't supposed to. Not really convinced these "eyewitnesses" know what they're talking about.

 

 

I have a better conspiracy theory: assured that the West won't meaningfully intervene, the Syrian government now has, quite literally, nothing to fear and can do anything it likes. Ergo, napalming children, Who's going to stop them?